What happens to the Republican Party now? (3 Viewers)

Thread Attachment browser

Users who are viewing this thread

    Total: 4 (members: 0, guests: 4)
    MT15

    MT15

    Well-known member
    Joined
    Mar 13, 2019
    Messages
    24,699
    Reaction score
    36,247
    Location
    Midwest
    Offline
    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    Forever a class act
    ================
    In the summer of 2017, after just half a year in the White House, Donald Trump flew to Paris for Bastille Day celebrations thrown by Emmanuel Macron, the new French President. Macron staged a spectacular martial display to commemorate the hundredth anniversary of the American entrance into the First World War. Vintage tanks rolled down the Champs-Élysées as fighter jets roared overhead.

    The event seemed to be calculated to appeal to Trump—his sense of showmanship and grandiosity—and he was visibly delighted. The French general in charge of the parade turned to one of his American counterparts and said, “You are going to be doing this next year.”

    Sure enough, Trump returned to Washington determined to have his generals throw him the biggest, grandest military parade ever for the Fourth of July. The generals, to his bewilderment, reacted with disgust. “I’d rather swallow acid,” his Defense Secretary, James Mattis, said. Struggling to dissuade Trump, officials pointed out that the parade would cost millions of dollars and tear up the streets of the capital.

    But the gulf between Trump and the generals was not really about money or practicalities, just as their endless policy battles were not only about clashing views on whether to withdraw from Afghanistan or how to combat the nuclear threat posed by North Korea and Iran. The divide was also a matter of values, of how they viewed the United States itself.

    That was never clearer than when Trump told his new chief of staff, John Kelly—like Mattis, a retired Marine Corps general—about his vision for Independence Day. “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade,” Trump said. “This doesn’t look good for me.” He explained with distaste that at the Bastille Day parade there had been several formations of injured veterans, including wheelchair-bound soldiers who had lost limbs in battle.

    Kelly could not believe what he was hearing. “Those are the heroes,” he told Trump. “In our society, there’s only one group of people who are more heroic than they are—and they are buried over in Arlington.” Kelly did not mention that his own son Robert, a lieutenant killed in action in Afghanistan, was among the dead interred there.

    “I don’t want them,” Trump repeated. “It doesn’t look good for me.”............



    www.newyorker.com

    Inside the War Between Trump and His Generals

    How Mark Milley and others in the Pentagon handled the national-security threat posed by their own Commander-in-Chief.
    www.newyorker.com www.newyorker.com
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Forever a class act
    ================
    In the summer of 2017, after just half a year in the White House, Donald Trump flew to Paris for Bastille Day celebrations thrown by Emmanuel Macron, the new French President. Macron staged a spectacular martial display to commemorate the hundredth anniversary of the American entrance into the First World War. Vintage tanks rolled down the Champs-Élysées as fighter jets roared overhead.

    The event seemed to be calculated to appeal to Trump—his sense of showmanship and grandiosity—and he was visibly delighted. The French general in charge of the parade turned to one of his American counterparts and said, “You are going to be doing this next year.”

    Sure enough, Trump returned to Washington determined to have his generals throw him the biggest, grandest military parade ever for the Fourth of July. The generals, to his bewilderment, reacted with disgust. “I’d rather swallow acid,” his Defense Secretary, James Mattis, said. Struggling to dissuade Trump, officials pointed out that the parade would cost millions of dollars and tear up the streets of the capital.

    But the gulf between Trump and the generals was not really about money or practicalities, just as their endless policy battles were not only about clashing views on whether to withdraw from Afghanistan or how to combat the nuclear threat posed by North Korea and Iran. The divide was also a matter of values, of how they viewed the United States itself.

    That was never clearer than when Trump told his new chief of staff, John Kelly—like Mattis, a retired Marine Corps general—about his vision for Independence Day. “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade,” Trump said. “This doesn’t look good for me.” He explained with distaste that at the Bastille Day parade there had been several formations of injured veterans, including wheelchair-bound soldiers who had lost limbs in battle.

    Kelly could not believe what he was hearing. “Those are the heroes,” he told Trump. “In our society, there’s only one group of people who are more heroic than they are—and they are buried over in Arlington.” Kelly did not mention that his own son Robert, a lieutenant killed in action in Afghanistan, was among the dead interred there.

    “I don’t want them,” Trump repeated. “It doesn’t look good for me.”............



    www.newyorker.com

    Inside the War Between Trump and His Generals

    How Mark Milley and others in the Pentagon handled the national-security threat posed by their own Commander-in-Chief.
    www.newyorker.com www.newyorker.com
    Click to expand...

    And Republicans always ask why we compare Trump to Hitler. Because that's what he wanted his administration to be .....

    ===========

    The four years of the Trump Presidency were characterized by a fantastical degree of instability: fits of rage, late-night Twitter storms, abrupt dismissals. At first, Trump, who had dodged the draft by claiming to have bone spurs, seemed enamored with being Commander-in-Chief and with the national-security officials he’d either appointed or inherited. But Trump’s love affair with “my generals” was brief, and in a statement for this article the former President confirmed how much he had soured on them over time. “These were very untalented people and once I realized it, I did not rely on them, I relied on the real generals and admirals within the system,” he said.

    It turned out that the generals had rules, standards, and expertise, not blind loyalty. The President’s loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical: “You forking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”

    “Which generals?” Kelly asked.

    “The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.

    “You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.

    But, of course, Trump did not know that. “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the President replied. In his version of history, the generals of the Third Reich had been completely subservient to Hitler; this was the model he wanted for his military. Kelly told Trump that there were no such American generals, but the President was determined to test the proposition.

    ============
     
    samiam5211 said:
    The Republicans are a couple of CPAC's away from fully embracing Hitler's NAZI party.
    Click to expand...

    Trump's already there.


    MSN

    www.msn.com
    Click to expand...
    “You f---ing generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?” Trump asked then White House chief of staff John Kelly, according to an excerpt of “The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021,” co-authored by New Yorker staff writer Susan Glasser and New York Times correspondent Peter Baker.

    When Kelly asked Trump for clarification, the president reportedly replied by specifying, “The German generals in World War II."

    Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, then asked Trump if he knew that those generals "tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off."

    According to the excerpt, Trump dismissed Kelly's historically accurate description, insisting, "No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him."

    The New Yorker published the excerpt on Monday.
    Click to expand...
     
    MT15 said:
    Tiger Droppings - it’s an apt name for a sewer-like site from what I’m told. I don’t go there.
    Click to expand...

    so I’ve heard

    take any story or article we‘ve posted here and think to yourself, “what are the absolute worst, most reprehensible, vile hot takes to this article possible?”

    my understanding is that the comments on tiger droppings are even worse, a level of depravity and heartlessness you didn’t realize existed

    is that the long and short of it?
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    so I’ve heard

    take any story or article we‘ve posted here and think to yourself, “what are the absolute worst, most reprehensible, vile hot takes to this article possible?”

    my understanding is that the comments on tiger droppings are even worse, a level of depravity and heartlessness you didn’t realize existed

    is that the long and short of it?
    Click to expand...
    Pretty much. I spent about an hour there reading that sheet about 7 years ago or so. Haven't been back since.
     
    Donald Trump has been accused of spewing “unapologetic fascism” and “blood-and-soil rhetoric” in his rambling speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Texas over the weekend.

    The former president pushed the notion from the stage in Dallas on Saturday that the US has been decimated since he left the White House in January of last year.

    He claimed that crime is out of control and that unemployment was skyrocketing - despite official figures showing that it’s at its lowest level in half a century.

    His dark remarks drew outcry on social media, with Texas Monthly journalist Michael Hardy accusing him of inciting violence.

    Mr Trump began his 108-minute address at the conclusion by greeting “proud patriots” in the audience after taking the stage to the tune of “God Bless the USA”.

    Joined by former White House doctor and current Texas GOP Congressman Ronnie Jackson, Mr Trump noted that he “was an admiral, a doctor, and now he’s a congressman”.

    He added that he had asked what Dr Jackson preferred. “He sort of indicated doctor, because he loved to look at my body. It was so strong and powerful,” Mr Trump said……


    www.independent.co.uk

    Trump’s 108-minute CPAC speech is branded ‘unapologetic fascism’

    ‘Trump’s rhetoric is significantly more extreme than even a few years ago’
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    For what it's worth

    Could divorce be a future target? I didn't even think about this
    =========================================


    For most of American history, it was very difficult to get divorced. Before the Civil War, Alabama couples looking to dissolve their marriage would need to take their case to the state legislature and obtain a two-thirds majority in both houses.

    Gov. Ronald Reagan of California, himself a divorcé, signed the country's first no-fault divorce law in 1969. Before that, spouses seeking divorce generally had to prove adultery, abandonment, or cruelty, often resorting to perjury in order to obtain a divorce.

    One by one, the other states followed California's lead, with New York becoming the last state to adopt a no-fault divorce law in 2010.

    Traditionalist conservatives argue that no-fault divorce has crushed the American family. In a 2021 op-ed for The Hill, Joseph Chamie noted that married couples now make up a minority of American households and that the proportion of children born to unwed mothers has doubled since 1980.

    Others claim that no-fault divorce has been a net positive, especially for women. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, "there was a large decline" — usually around 20 percent — "in the number of women committing suicide following the introduction of unilateral divorce." Rates of domestic violence also dropped.

    What are American right-wingers saying about no-fault divorce?​

    Plenty.

    Media Matters collected statements from several right-wing figures who have been critical of no-fault divorce. Those featured included Daily Wire hosts Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles and YouTubers Tim Pool and Steven Crowder. Pool suggested that the policy discourages men from getting married, while Crowder denounced no-fault divorce as a system under which "if a woman cheats on you, she leaves, she takes half."

    But, as Nate Hochman observed in National Review, all this talk hasn't translated to much action. "Which Republican is campaigning on repealing no-fault divorce?" he asked, describing the policy as "a tragic mistake, from the social-conservative perspective."

    The closest we've gotten to a nationally prominent Republican speaking out against no-fault divorce is Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. Last September, Vance told a group of high school students that allowing people "to shift spouses like they change their underwear" was bad for children and appeared to suggest that even "violent" marriages should be saved.

    Vice News, which first reported on the comments, asked Vance why he believed "it would be better for children if their parents stayed in violent marriages than if they divorced" and whether he supported a federal law making divorces more difficult to obtain...........

    MSN

    www.msn.com
     

    Create an account or login to comment

    You must be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create account

    Create an account on our community. It's easy!

    Register

    Log in

    Already have an account? Log in here.

    Share this page

    General News Feed

    Fact Checkers News Feed

    Back
    Top Bottom