What happens to the Republican Party now? (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Saintamaniac]

If you bring up the squad it will just show your prejudiced, because the squad all graduated high school.

This part made me laugh.

Autocracy: " A system of government by one person with absolute power "
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How long must I endure you folks?

That is exactly what Trump was/is looking for.

You can always pick out the Republicans who THINK they are normal but who are really no different than the ones supporting the insurrection when they use the term "liberal" as if it's some kind of insult.

As far as enduring "you folks", you are welcomed to let the door hit your arse on the way out if it's not to your liking.

 

[DaveXA]

So imo, you are out of line Steve. You are calling me crazy and a weirdo. You owe me an apology and the respect I have shown you.

You don’t have to endure this forum at all - you’re not required to be here.

I may be wrong, but, I don't think he called you crazy. i think he was referring to the crazy twitter posters.

Some of the idiots listed may want an autocratic state, but we're not anywhere near that. No doubt Trump wanted that and our democracy is still intact. It was threatened by the 1/6 mess, but we survived it. And I don't think it was close to succeeding, but we can't let it go unanswered, which is why I support the current hearings.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I may be wrong, but, I don't think he called you crazy. i think he was referring to the crazy twitter posters.

Some of the idiots listed may want an autocratic state, but we're not anywhere near that. No doubt Trump wanted that and our democracy is still intact. It was threatened by the 1/6 mess, but we survived it. And I don't think it was close to succeeding, but we can't let it go unanswered, which is why I support the current hearings.

It's pretty clear what he meant, Dave. He's a troll and now he's insulting everyone on this board that disagrees with him. His entire posting history is trash and he has shown zero interest in having an open and honest discussion.

 

[CoolBrees]

I guess we have to work harder to be like the class acts over at Trip Advisor.

Predicting that the party in power would suffer at the midterms? Prophetic!

Normally that is the type of insight you only get from serious news sources like Highlights.

 

[DaveXA]

It's pretty clear what he meant, Dave. He's a troll and now he's insulting everyone on this board that disagrees with him. His entire posting history is trash and he has shown zero interest in having an open and honest discussion.

I thought he made some valid points. I don't agree with all of it, but I didn't see him call anyone a troll or insult anyone here. Regardless, I think we can all do without the name calling and also taking offense at opinions we don't agree with.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

4) Now I'm asking you to believe that most regular NORMAL Republican voters like me want our governmental structure to stay the same.

This is accurate. But the problem is the way primaries operate in this country it only takes about 30% of the GOP (Trump's base) to want an autocracy. And we've seen that almost every 'normal' Republican voter is willing to vote for Trump because the practical alternative is a Democrat. See, e.g., the 2020 election.

Trump is still polling in the lead by a wide margin. His nearest 'opponent' is Desantis who is little different. Yes, it is still two years out but the type of control Trump has on the GOP is uniquely insidious. We have rarely seen anything like it in American politics outside of Huey Long in Louisiana (and, yeah, Louisiana was basically an autocracy in those days).

The unfortunate reality is unless most of those normal Republicans vote for a reasonable candidate instead of Trump or a Trump proxy, then what they 'want' is betrayed by their votes to the contrary. Liz Cheney is viewed as a pariah but, other than her warranted criticism of Trump, she is basically a textbook normal Republican. What will it say if she loses her reelection bid for her House seat? Where are all these normal Republicans and why aren't they stepping up? The proof will be in the election results.

 

[Taurus]

To Republicans, it’s not just Trump. It’s DeSantis, it’s Abbott, it’s Noem (sp?), it’s Tom Cotton, it’s Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Josh Hawley, MTG, and on and on. Why?

It's pretty simple, actually.

Autocrats get things done.
An American autocrat isn't going to hurt straight, white Christians.
Eff everybody else.

 

[DaveXA]

It's pretty simple, actually.

Autocrats get things done.
An American autocrat isn't going to hurt straight, white Christians.
Eff everybody else.

Hell, I'm a SWC and it would hurt me too. I don't trust people much to begin with, and no way I'm trusting a politician with unchecked power.

 

[MT15]

I may be wrong, but, I don't think he called you crazy. i think he was referring to the crazy twitter posters.

Some of the idiots listed may want an autocratic state, but we're not anywhere near that. No doubt Trump wanted that and our democracy is still intact. It was threatened by the 1/6 mess, but we survived it. And I don't think it was close to succeeding, but we can't let it go unanswered, which is why I support the current hearings.

Dave, you should read his post again, respectfully. He called me a weirdo liberal and said he should stop reading posts from crazy people. Here, I‘ll quote it for you. If I’m wrong, I will say so, gladly. Emphasis is mine to draw your attention to the pertinent parts.

Autocracy: " A system of government by one person with absolute power "
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How long must I endure you folks?
1) 6 months ago I said the Dems will get clobbered in Nov....and I'm correct. Even Dem. leadership concedes that.
2) For months I've been saying that Trump will not be the GOP nominee....now recently I posted an article from the NY Times that states that numerous Republicans are working together to make sure that Trump will not be the nominee.
3) For months I've been saying it would be a really bad idea for the Dems to allow Biden to run again. Recently I posted an article showing many Dems in power agree with that.
4) Now I'm asking you to believe that most regular NORMAL Republican voters like me want our governmental structure to stay the same.
It might be entertaining to you weirdo liberals to focus on a handful of people and project that onto all the Republican voters across the nation....but that is just your stuck in your self affirming forum bubble...you are throwing out stupid stuff and then your forum friend gives it a thumbs up.
Knock it off!
Steve is correct on #1, 2 and 3 above and normal people will say that normal Republicans would never want an Autocracy.
Gosh....I really should stop looking at all posts from crazy people.
Bye

 

[DaveXA]

Dave, you should read his post again, respectfully. He called me a weirdo liberal and said he should stop reading posts from crazy people. Here, I‘ll quote it for you. If I’m wrong, I will say so, gladly. Emphasis is mine to draw your attention to the pertinent parts.

I've read it 3x and I don't see the word weirdo in there. And I think you're taking the posts from crazy people comment a bit too personally. But that's how I'm reading it.

And keep in mind, he's posting out of frustration, not excusing it, but I can see where he's coming from.

 

[ktulu909]

Autocracy: " A system of government by one person with absolute power "
*
How long must I endure you folks?
1) 6 months ago I said the Dems will get clobbered in Nov....and I'm correct. Even Dem. leadership concedes that.
2) For months I've been saying that Trump will not be the GOP nominee....now recently I posted an article from the NY Times that states that numerous Republicans are working together to make sure that Trump will not be the nominee.
3) For months I've been saying it would be a really bad idea for the Dems to allow Biden to run again. Recently I posted an article showing many Dems in power agree with that.
4) Now I'm asking you to believe that most regular NORMAL Republican voters like me want our governmental structure to stay the same.
It might be entertaining to you weirdo liberals to focus on a handful of people and project that onto all the Republican voters across the nation....but that is just your stuck in your self affirming forum bubble...you are throwing out stupid stuff and then your forum friend gives it a thumbs up.
Knock it off!
Steve is correct on #1, 2 and 3 above and normal people will say that normal Republicans would never want an Autocracy.
Gosh....I really should stop looking at all posts from crazy people.
Bye

Its literally right there DaveXA

 

[DaveXA]

Its literally right there DaveXA

Lol, I need a drink. I see it now. I blame work.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I thought he made some valid points. I don't agree with all of it, but I didn't see him call anyone a troll or insult anyone here. Regardless, I think we can all do without the name calling and also taking offense at opinions we don't agree with.

If it walks like a troll and posts like a troll...

My "bell" said someone quoted me. Yet I scrolled below that person's post to an empty box so I could type this.
If that person wishes to quote me to show off to others...fine.
I just want it known that I will not even read anything that person has to say.

What happens to the Republican Party now?

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case. We also saw the alt right types chanting...

madaboutpolitics.com

 

[MT15]

I've read it 3x and I don't see the word weirdo in there. And I think you're taking the posts from crazy people comment a bit too personally. But that's how I'm reading it.

And keep in mind, he's posting out of frustration, not excusing it, but I can see where he's coming from.

I get that he is frustrated. But he shouldn’t do what he did. I never mentioned him, my post wasn’t directed at him; I listed the Rs I was talking about before I posted the tweet. If anyone took anything too personally, he obviously took my post personally as against him.

He obviously doesn’t feel the need to reconsider, but his post was over the line, IMO. I don’t really care about it personally, his opinion of me doesn’t affect me in any way. I just think he takes offense very easily and complains if he feels disrespected, but doesn’t show the same courtesy to others. The reason I brought it up was to make that point to him.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This could have gone in the Jan 6th hearings thread too
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As important as it is for the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol to make the nation understand what really happened on that horrific day, the panel has a more crucial mission: making sure that such an effort to overturn the result of a legitimate election does not happen again.


The potential is there, because the sedition continues. That should not be lost as the bipartisan House panel lays its case before the American people.

Jan. 6 was not just a day; it was the opening salvo of a movement to undermine democracy…..

Many of them are vying for offices that would put them in position to oversee the election machinery in their states.

According to a running tally being kept by States United Democracy Center, a nonpartisan watchdog organization, at least 35 candidates who have denied the validity of the 2020 election results are running for governor in 20 states; at least 15 for attorney general in 13 states; and nearly two dozen for secretary of state — the chief election officer — in 17 states.


They include state Sen. Doug Mastriano, whom Pennsylvania Republicans nominated as their candidate for governor in that key swing state. Mastriano was at the Capitol on Jan. 6. (Video suggests he crossed law enforcement barricades, though Mastriano insists he followed police instructions.)

If elected, he has promised to require all voters to re-register, which would no doubt disenfranchise many. He would also appoint Pennsylvania’s secretary of state, the official who certifies vote tallies.


Also at the Capitol that day was Michigan Republican gubernatorial candidate Ryan D. Kelley, who was arrested Thursday on federal charges that included four counts punishable by up to a year in prison for each charge. Among them: trespassing, disorderly conduct, committing an act of violence against a person or property on restricted grounds, and depredation of federal property. Kelley has yet to comment on the charges, but he has called the riot an “energizing event.”


Colorado Republicans have put Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters on the ballot as a candidate for secretary of state — despite the fact that she was indicted in March on criminal charges related to baseless conspiracy theories of fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

She is accused of smuggling someone who was not an employee of the county into its offices to illicitly copy election machine hard drives, charges she claims are politically motivated.

And in Michigan, the GOP endorsed as its candidate for secretary of state Kristina Karamo, a part-time community college professor and proponent of Trump’s election lies who made debunked claims of having witnessed election fraud as a “poll challenger” in 2020…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/12/sedition-didnt-stop-jan-6-it-must-be-stopped/

 

[MT15]

Since I brought up authoritarianism, I found this flowchart helpful:

 

[DaveXA]

Since I brought up authoritarianism, I found this flowchart helpful:

Maybe I'm missing it, but I'm not finding the chart all that useful. I mean, what is it supposed to do?

 

[MT15]

Authoritarianism is so much more nuanced than a simple definition.

Nobody comes out and says “I am an authoritarian and want to rule that way”.

They will, however, exhibit certain behaviors and carry out certain objectives. It’s helpful to learn to recognize these behaviors and objectives. Otherwise you can lose your democracy by the time you realize what is going on. It’s happened many times in other countries, which is where we can learn how to recognize an authoritarian and call out those tendencies. We need to do so here and now.

I look at it like this: maybe the Trump wing of the R party will fail, they will be disgraced and Rs who believe in democracy will prevail. But I‘m not counting on it. The normal Rs have just disappeared, with very few exceptions. Everyone needs to know how authoritarians take over democratic countries. It’s too important to just look away.