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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    This guy is the very definition of an "edgelord." Anyway, when he becomes President, I wonder what he'll call his cronies in DC... "cadre?"
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    We talking about Fred or Ron? I wouldn’t trust either of them with my 6 year old daughter, let alone with my country.
     
    Nothing to see here. Just a former US President going all in on QAnon:

     
    More back and forth on Trump's influence
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    Trump made the comments during an interview with David Brody on the Christian Broadcasting Network's television program "The 700 Club." Brody asked Trump how he thought the upcoming elections would play out and "how much stock" he would put in recent wins for the candidates he's endorsed — particularly Ohio senate candidate JD Vance, who won his primary early this week.

    Trump made the comments during an interview with David Brody on the Christian Broadcasting Network's television program "The 700 Club." Brody asked Trump how he thought the upcoming elections would play out and "how much stock" he would put in recent wins for the candidates he's endorsed — particularly Ohio senate candidate JD Vance, who won his primary early this week.

    Trump endorsed several candidates the GOP might view as risky, including Vance and Dr. Mehmet Oz, whose primary is later this month. Oz currently holds a slight 3-point lead against his fellow Republican candidates.

    However, other Trump-backed candidates, including Georgia gubernatorial candidate David Perdue, have struggled to keep up in their races. Perdue is 26 points behind his GOP rival, Brian Kemp, according to some pollsters. In the Idaho gubernatorial primary, Trump backed Janice McGeachin, who is trailing by around 40 points behind incumbent Gov. Brad Little in the polls. And one of the candidates Trump endorsed, Sean Parnell, a GOP candidate for the Pennsylvania Senate, was forced to drop out of the race after allegations of domestic violence emerged.

    Still, according to The Washington Post, 42 of the 43 candidates Trump's endorsed who have primaried already have won their races.

    "My record is unparalleled, my endorsements, it's totally unparalleled. Nobody's ever had a record like this. I'm almost unblemished," Trump told Brody.

    "Should Republicans be afraid of you, the ones that are not in line with you and your views?" Brody asked.

    "Well, if they want to win politically, probably," Trump said. "Because if I endorsed them, they win, and if I don't endorse them, they don't win. I mean, that's almost 100% of the case.".............

     
    Some good news: a principled Republican. I haven’t heard of him, but it is encouraging to see a R willing to say the truth.

     
    el caliente said:
    We talking about Fred or Ron? I wouldn’t trust either of them with my 6 year old daughter, let alone with my country.
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    Ron. I think at this point it is inevitable he wins in 2024 (assuming Trump doesn't run... why I don't think he will because he can bilk people with his PAC without any of the work).
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    Ron. I think at this point it is inevitable he wins in 2024 (assuming Trump doesn't run... why I don't think he will because he can bilk people with his PAC without any of the work).
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    Trump will run unless he is indicted. He cares way too much about the ego boost to not run, and as for the work, well, he never did any work anyway.
     
    MT15 said:
    Trump will run unless he is indicted. He cares way too much about the ego boost to not run, and as for the work, well, he never did any work anyway.
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    Yeah, he's either running or he's dead. He'd run even if he were mortally ill. Congress not impeaching or charging him with treason was a dereliction of duty. And the Republican Party didn't do enough to stop him. Sad.
     
    The bolded paragraph is the one that is scary

    If a time traveler came to me on Inauguration Day 2017 and showed me everything that Trump and his administration did, said, tweeted etc. but told me he lost in 2020 I would have assumed that would have lost so badly the word landslide doesn’t cover it

    I would have thought that the story would have been something like ‘the last time a losing presidential candidate had this many votes America had half the population it does now’

    But no, MILLIONS more voted for four more years of it

    That’s terrifying

    And because a magic wand wasn’t waved and things aren’t perfect the GOP stands a good chance of winning back the house and senate and possibly the the White House in 24

    And not because of any return to real conservative values or policies

    Just red meat rabid culture wars

    That’s terrifying

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    Authoritarianism, American-style fascism, Trumpism — or whatever other term you choose for the radical turn that the American right has taken — is terrible for our nation and the world.

    But something can be both terrible and popular.
Political observers have suggested a variety of reasons for the successes of the increasingly Trumpist Republican Party.

    Some argue that social media is disseminating misinformation that bolsters right-wing conspiracy theories and politicians who lie.

    Centrist Democrats say their party’s left wing is annoying voters and making the GOP an appealing alternative.

    Those on the left say the political system, even under Democratic leadership, is failing to make Americans’ day-to-day lives better, leaving them open to a right-wing, “burn it all down” ideology.


    But there are also reasons to think that Trumpism appeals to a lot of Americans — that they are turning to this style of politics simply because they like it.

    After all, we see many market indications of this appeal. GOP primaries are now largely races over which candidate is the Trumpiest; media-bashing, disdaining institutions and getting the former president’s endorsement are the easiest ways to rise in the party.

    Incumbent Govs. Greg Abbott of Texas and Ron DeSantis of Florida look likely to win this fall after pushing agendas centered on antipathy to some groups (migrants, transgender Americans) and alignment with others (conservative Christians, rural voters).

    Fox News personalities who leave the network to pursue a more moderate conservatism on other platforms rarely succeed, while their replacements at Fox News thrive by becoming more radical.

    Most important, we have the results of the 2020 election: Though Donald Trump lost, he won 11 million more votes than he did in 2016, including a significantly higher share of the Latino electorate.

    It’s not that Trumpism is more popular than alternative approaches. Center-left Democrats won the presidential popular vote in seven of the past eight elections.

    The most recent Republican popular-vote winner was George W. Bush, whose conservatism is much less radical than Trump’s.

    But based on the results of the 2016, 2018 and 2020 elections, Trumpism is popular enough — and it’s easy to imagine Trump or someone like him running at the right moment (say, during a recession) and winning more than 50 percent of the national vote.


    So why is Trumpism decently popular?…….

     
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    Optimus Prime said:
    Most important, we have the results of the 2020 election: Though Donald Trump lost, he won 11 million more votes than he did in 2016, including a significantly higher share of the Latino electorate.
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    The sad part of it is that if Trump and his supporters had their way, they would deport each and every one of them regardless of how long they have been citizens. Perfect example of voting against your own interest. I don't understand how any minority is still voting for any Republican.
     
    DeSatan being the brave culture warrior that he is and doing every thing he can to indoctrinate Florida school children into Republican's "Fear" ideology.

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill into law Monday establishing a new state holiday known as “Victims of Communism Day” on which public schools are required to teach students about communist regimes.

    The law states that starting next year “Victims of Communism Day” will be observed by public schools on Nov. 7. On that day, high-schoolers will receive lessons in their U.S. government classes about the “atrocities” that have been imposed by communist governments.

    DeSantis said during a news conference that the day is meant to “to honor the more than 100 million people who have fallen victim to communist regimes across the world.”

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    Some opponents argue that although the trauma suffered by victims of communism, particularly in Cuba, are real, DeSantis’s motives are not. “He continues to ignite culture wars under the guise of fighting ‘communism’ while embodying the same authoritarian power grabs we are all too familiar with,” one student activist tweeted.
    Others say the governor should turn his attention to the issues in his state.

    “Why the hell can we not focus for even a moment on what’s impacting people everyday?” Brandon Wolf, press secretary of Equality Florida, tweeted.

    Florida Lt. Gov. Jeanette Nuñez (R) told reporters Monday that the new law is part of a bigger initiative to eliminate critical race theory (CRT) from schools. Critical race theory is an academic concept taught largely in law schools that sets a framework for examining systemic racism.

    “By the actions we’re taking today, along with actions that we’ve already taken like removing CRT, ‘woke’ ideologies from our classrooms, making sure that parents have the right — empowering parents to make decisions for their children — we will always ensure that our students are getting the best education,” she said.
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