What happens to the Republican Party now? (3 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Taurus]

Don´t you feel it is obvious dems are going to collapse soon? Not because republicans may be better. It just has to happen i guess. Looks like bad news about the vaccines will soon come out. Maybe that they lead to a weaker immune system etc. It will be impossible to avoid a new Nuremberg trial then. Media and all little Hitlers in politics will probably be held accountable. Looks like a low odds bet.

After all you've seen these past 28 years and you think there'll be consequences for the political class?!?

[Mod Edit: Deleted, personal attack]

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Don´t you feel it is obvious dems are going to collapse soon? Not because republicans may be better. It just has to happen i guess. Looks like bad news about the vaccines will soon come out. Maybe that they lead to a weaker immune system etc. It will be impossible to avoid a new Nuremberg trial then. Media and all little Hitlers in politics will probably be held accountable. Looks like a low odds bet.

I'm a Republican and a Conservative so I wish we could be forum buddies. I wish I could back you up on your posts. Yet I'm not inclined to do so based on what I've seen from you thus far. For example...you use the phrase "little Hitler" which I think is WAY out of line. It gives those who don't share your political viewpoint a chance to ignore everything else you say and focus on that. Then they'll talk about Trump as per usual.
The Democrats will sustain significant loses in Nov. of 2022 because of the economy.
There is no need for name calling. Especially the 2 word phrase you opted for.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I'm a Republican and a Conservative so I wish we could be forum buddies. I wish I could back you up on your posts. Yet I'm not inclined to do so based on what I've seen from you thus far. For example...you use the phrase "little Hitler" which I think is WAY out of line. It gives those who don't share your political viewpoint a chance to ignore everything else you say and focus on that. Then they'll talk about Trump as per usual.
The Democrats will sustain significant loses in Nov. of 2022 because of the economy.
There is no need for name calling. Especially the 2 word phrase you opted for.

Shut my laptop...walked away but I couldn't stop thinking about this.
No Independent voter is or will be focused on what nj73 said about " a new Nuremberg trial"
The main thing is the price at the supermarket and the gas pump.
The price at the pump will likely improve eventually but the price for groceries has gone up significantly. Inflation Inflation Inflation is what will move the independent voters in November.

 

[Dragon]

Shut my laptop...walked away but I couldn't stop thinking about this.
No Independent voter is or will be focused on what nj73 said about " a new Nuremberg trial"
The main thing is the price at the supermarket and the gas pump.
The price at the pump will likely improve eventually but the price for groceries has gone up significantly. Inflation Inflation Inflation is what will move the independent voters in November.

Maybe or maybe not. I can't talk about how the US voters think but here at least and in most of Europe, people are prepared to pay the extra costs because they know the reason why it is so and know how important it is to stop the Russian agression.

Too many families still have members of their families who can remember when Hitler attacked Europe and the younger generations can remember the horrible war on Balkan.
"Never again" is very real for most people so people are willing to do whatever it takes to prevent a repeat.

 

[barbar]

Maybe or maybe not. I can't talk about how the US voters think but here at least and in most of Europe, people are prepared to pay the extra costs because they know the reason why it is so and know how important it is to stop the Russian agression.

Too many families still have members of their families who can remember when Hitler attacked Europe and the younger generations can remember the horrible war on Balkan.
"Never again" is very real for most people so people are willing to do whatever it takes to prevent a repeat.

I also think it's important to understand that bad inflation is happening everywhere....even in places that are not the USA. we are struggling at the gas pump over here. I am spending about 25 euro per day to drive to work currently.

These things have nothing to do with the US president and I hope American voters will be smarter than that.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I also think it's important to understand that bad inflation is happening everywhere....even in places that are not the USA. we are struggling at the gas pump over here. I am spending about 25 euro per day to drive to work currently.

These things have nothing to do with the US president and I hope American voters will be smarter than that.

I understand the viewpoint of the 2 posters that made their points just prior to this one.
I'd like to let them know that MONTHS before Putin made his move, prices at the US supermarkets and additionally for non food items....those US prices were already climbing up. Inflation was well under way prior to Putin. Inflation was definitely a topic prior to Putin sending troops into Ukraine.
The American voter CAN discern what is Russia-Ukraine related and what is not.

 

[barbar]

I understand the viewpoint of the 2 posters that made their points just prior to this one.
I'd like to let them know that MONTHS before Putin made his move, prices at the US supermarkets and additionally for non food items....those US prices were already climbing up. Inflation was well under way prior to Putin. Inflation was definitely a topic prior to Putin sending troops into Ukraine.
The American voter CAN discern what is Russia-Ukraine related and what is not.

You have retained much more of your faith in people than I have. I commend you for that. I do not share that optimism.

 

[DaveXA]

I understand the viewpoint of the 2 posters that made their points just prior to this one.
I'd like to let them know that MONTHS before Putin made his move, prices at the US supermarkets and additionally for non food items....those US prices were already climbing up. Inflation was well under way prior to Putin. Inflation was definitely a topic prior to Putin sending troops into Ukraine.
The American voter CAN discern what is Russia-Ukraine related and what is not.

Yeah, inflation was already an issue prior. The invasion simply accelerated the upward trend. That said, there are other considerations, and I'd argue we'd be in a worse place if Trump were president at this time. Would probably would have been out of NATO and on the wrong side of this conflict in Ukraine. Not to mention a host of other issues.

All that said, having no record of Trump's communications for well over 7 hours on 1/6 is criminal and if they tampered with or deliberately circumvented documentation of events that day, Trump isn't fit to be president and I would argue he should be charged and prosecuted. Trump has poisoned the Republican Party, and until the party disavows him, I want nothing to do with it.

 

[Taurus]

Shut my laptop...walked away but I couldn't stop thinking about this.
No Independent voter is or will be focused on what nj73 said about " a new Nuremberg trial"
The main thing is the price at the supermarket and the gas pump.
The price at the pump will likely improve eventually but the price for groceries has gone up significantly. Inflation Inflation Inflation is what will move the independent voters in November.

Sadly true. In all ways save inflation, the economy is doing much better than it has any right to be. Low unemployment, higher wages, etc. Yet the Dems aren't selling it.
What they ought to be selling is the fact that they're the reason you're worried more about inflation than the weather because you're not homeless after Covid kept you from being able to work.

"You know that car it's so expensive to gas up? It wasn't repo'd thanks to the Democrat Covid relief bill."
"You still have a house and a fridge to put those expensive groceries in thanks to the Democrat Covid relief bill, the one no Republicans voted for. If it were up to them, not only would you be homeless, you wouldn't even have a car to sleep in. Moscow Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party were perfectly happy to see you starve in the streets. Remember that this November."

But, they're too spineless to go for the throat like that.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Yeah, inflation was already an issue prior. The invasion simply accelerated the upward trend. That said, there are other considerations, and I'd argue we'd be in a worse place if Trump were president at this time. Would probably would have been out of NATO and on the wrong side of this conflict in Ukraine. Not to mention a host of other issues.

All that said, having no record of Trump's communications for well over 7 hours on 1/6 is criminal and if they tampered with or deliberately circumvented documentation of events that day, Trump isn't fit to be president and I would argue he should be charged and prosecuted. Trump has poisoned the Republican Party, and until the party disavows him, I want nothing to do with it.

As everyone knows, I want nothing to do with any discussions about Trump. Yet regarding INFLATION....
People will "vote their pocketbook" in November.
The party in power almost always suffers losses in a mid term election when America is experiencing inflation.
It is inevitable.

 

[Dragon]

I understand the viewpoint of the 2 posters that made their points just prior to this one.
I'd like to let them know that MONTHS before Putin made his move, prices at the US supermarkets and additionally for non food items....those US prices were already climbing up. Inflation was well under way prior to Putin. Inflation was definitely a topic prior to Putin sending troops into Ukraine.
The American voter CAN discern what is Russia-Ukraine related and what is not.

Inflation are driven by many other factors which is hard to blame the sitting president for

After 2+ years with Covid Lockdown there has been multiple reasons for this - many of which is nothing that any president can do anything about

- Shift in the way that people want to work. After two years with lock-downs and social distancing it is getting harder to get those low wage jobs filled which drives up the market rate of the wages an employer will have to pay to get his positions filled.

- A lot of people have been saving their money during the last couple of years due to not being able to go out to eat or go on vacation. So now they are spending some of those savings and heating up the economy

- All the lockdowns in China and the challenges with getting chinese goods from china to the markets in the US and in the EU have resulted in demands for goods which cant be met, and again drives up the price of goods.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Inflation are driven by many other factors which is hard to blame the sitting president for

After 2+ years with Covid Lockdown there has been multiple reasons for this - many of which is nothing that any president can do anything about

- Shift in the way that people want to work. After two years with lock-downs and social distancing it is getting harder to get those low wage jobs filled which drives up the market rate of the wages an employer will have to pay to get his positions filled.

- A lot of people have been saving their money during the last couple of years due to not being able to go out to eat or go on vacation. So now they are spending some of those savings and heating up the economy

- All the lockdowns in China and the challenges with getting chinese goods from china to the markets in the US and in the EU have resulted in demands for goods which cant be met, and again drives up the price of goods.

Many good points.
Democrats will loose seats regardless of your good points.
It's inevitable.

 

[MT15]

Don´t you feel it is obvious dems are going to collapse soon? Not because republicans may be better. It just has to happen i guess. Looks like bad news about the vaccines will soon come out. Maybe that they lead to a weaker immune system etc. It will be impossible to avoid a new Nuremberg trial then. Media and all little Hitlers in politics will probably be held accountable. Looks like a low odds bet.

Around here we tend to frown on posting something as fact when it is speculation. So where do you hear about the vaccines? Let’s examine your sources for veracity, shall we?

 

[MT15]

I understand the viewpoint of the 2 posters that made their points just prior to this one.
I'd like to let them know that MONTHS before Putin made his move, prices at the US supermarkets and additionally for non food items....those US prices were already climbing up. Inflation was well under way prior to Putin. Inflation was definitely a topic prior to Putin sending troops into Ukraine.
The American voter CAN discern what is Russia-Ukraine related and what is not.

Yes, inflation was a thing before the Russian aggression, but it was a world-wide thing, caused by a 2 year pandemic and pent up demand. It would not matter who was president during that time, any Republican or Democrat would see the same results. The voter will probably blame Biden, as you say, but it’s an ignorant response not fact-based.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Yes, inflation was a thing before the Russian aggression, but it was a world-wide thing, caused by a 2 year pandemic and pent up demand. It would not matter who was president during that time, any Republican or Democrat would see the same results. The voter will probably blame Biden, as you say, but it’s an ignorant response not fact-based.

The statement that the voter will blame the party in charge IS FACT based. Historically Fact Based.
Edit....
Many hours later I am home now. I've used the "edit" feature to remove part of my post.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The statement that the voter will blame the party in charge IS FACT based. Historically Fact Based.
If anyone is ignorant it is therefore YOU.

That's not what MT was saying at all. I would suggest not attacking other posters based on your own failure to comprehend a simple statement.

 

[MT15]

The statement that the voter will blame the party in charge IS FACT based. Historically Fact Based.
If anyone is ignorant it is therefore YOU.

You’re a little bit thin-skinned. I wasn’t saying you were ignorant - I was saying that the voters blaming Biden for a global inflation issue is ignorant and not fact based. I don’t think it was all that hard to get what I meant, but I do know I sometimes get more convoluted than I should.

 

[SFIDC3]

The statement that the voter will blame the party in charge IS FACT based. Historically Fact Based.
If anyone is ignorant it is therefore YOU.

Maybe you should read more closely before making an idiotic reply like above....