Voting Law Proposals and Voting Rights Efforts (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This is, IMO, going to be a big topic in the coming year. Republicans have stated their aim to make voting more restrictive in just about every state where they have the means to do so. Democrats would like to pass the Voting Rights Bill named after John Lewis. I’m going to go look up the map of all the states which have pending legislation to restrict voting. Now that we have the election in the rear view, I thought we could try to make this a general discussion thread, where people who have concerns about voting abuses can post as well and we can discuss it from both sides. Please keep memes out of this thread and put them in the boards where we go to talk about the other side, lol.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Nope. Democrats are the biggest violators. Stop cheating, and we can all get back to making America great, not just average, or worse.

Stop accusing Democrats of cheating without evidence when they haven't been and all available evidence shows that it's Republicans cheating and maybe we can get back to making America rational again, not some conspiracy addled nation following a tyrant or worse.

It’s the ol’ “they’re going to cheat so we need to cheat first and more!” defense

 

[MT15]

It’s the ol’ “they’re going to cheat so we need to cheat first and more!” defense

It’s more like projection, or maybe that old propaganda chestnut - always accuse your opponent of what you are yourself doing. They seem to live by that.

 

[Peace]

It’s the ol’ “they’re going to cheat so we need to cheat first and more!” defense

Nope. It's "my God these charlatans are good. We need to get more proactive!"

 

[Peace]

This is, IMO, going to be a big topic in the coming year. Republicans have stated their aim to make voting more restrictive in just about every state where they have the means to do so. Democrats would like to pass the Voting Rights Bill named after John Lewis. I’m going to go look up the map of all the states which have pending legislation to restrict voting. Now that we have the election in the rear view, I thought we could try to make this a general discussion thread, where people who have concerns about voting abuses can post as well and we can discuss it from both sides. Please keep memes out of this thread and put them in the boards where we go to talk about the other side, lol.

"Restrictive"? No. "Protective" yes.

Every citizen should still be able to vote; they'll just have to follow more specific guidelines.

 

[MT15]

"Restrictive"? No. "Protective" yes.

Every citizen should still be able to vote; they'll just have to follow more specific guidelines.

That’s not what Rs say, though. They will say stuff like - turnout was too high, we need to curtail that. And they then try to do just that. What you are saying is the spin they put out there so that earnest people will think they’re not up to something. Believe me, Rs don’t want everyone who is eligible to vote to actually vote. They will admit that doesn’t favor them.

As was pointed out previously - GA’s law was much more restrictive before they got pushback from nearly everybody, including some major corporations. They took out the worst restrictions.

And yes, early turnout is high in GA, but I have not seen a breakdown of where it’s high.

 

[Peace]

Stop accusing Democrats of cheating without evidence when they haven't been and all available evidence shows that it's Republicans cheating and maybe we can get back to making America rational again, not some conspiracy addled nation following a tyrant or worse.

Well, you have to understand that the Left has taken control of the vast majority of sources. It's gotten to the point where nothing your side says can be trusted.

When something like this takes place, you mostly have to rely on your own intellect and wits. See, only a brain dead degenerate could take a look at Joe Biden and say "Yes, I can see how this tower of a statesman won the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth".

Cheaters got the babbling fool into the White House, and only an idiot or a liar would say otherwise.

 

[MT15]

Well, you have to understand that the Left has taken control of the vast majority of sources. It's gotten to the point where nothing your side says can be trusted.

When something like this takes place, you mostly have to rely on your own intellect and wits. See, only a brain dead degenerate could take a look at Joe Biden and say "Yes, I can see how this tower of a statesman won the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth".

Cheaters got the babbling fool into the White House, and only an idiot or a liar would say otherwise.

More hyperbole and accusations without any substance to back them up. You may want to read up on how the Dominion lawsuit against Fox News is going. They might just own Fox News when this is over.

There was no cheating done during the 2020 election that would change the outcome of even a single state. This is a fact.

Quite lying about it.

 

[Peace]

More hyperbole and accusations without any substance to back them up. You may want to read up on how the Dominion lawsuit against Fox News is going. They might just own Fox News when this is over.

There was no cheating done during the 2020 election that would change the outcome of even a single state. This is a fact.

Quite lying about it.

Just the truth is all. Ya'll should've put AOC up for the presidency. At least there you would've been consistent with what you preach.

Your words are like a fart in the wind.

 

[Peace]

It’s more like projection, or maybe that old propaganda chestnut - always accuse your opponent of what you are yourself doing. They seem to live by that.

Actually that's your side. Projecting is one of the cornerstones of the DNC.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Actually that's your side. Projecting is one of the cornerstones of the DNC.

Republicans actually caught subverting democracy.

Dowless worked in the 2018 congressional race for then-Republican candidate Mark Harris, who appeared to have received the most votes in the general election for the 9th District seat in south-central North Carolina.

Four people plead guilty in North Carolina ballot probe of 2016 and 2018 elections

After the allegations surfaced in 2018, the elections board voted unanimously to order a new election in the state's 9th Congressional District.

www.nbcnews.com

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

It was in May 2021 when we learned about Pennsylvania’s Bruce Bartman, who cast an absentee ballot in support of Trump for his mother — who died in 2008. Bartman pleaded guilty to unlawful voting, conceded he “listened to too much propaganda,” and was sentenced to five years’ probation.

About a month later, Edward Snodgrass, a local Republican official in Ohio, admitted to forging his dead father’s signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself. NBC News noted at the time that Snodgrass struck a deal with prosecutors and was sentenced to three days in jail and a $500 fine.

In August 2021, we learned of a Pennsylvania man named Robert Richard Lynn, who used a typewriter to complete an absentee ballot application on behalf of his deceased mother. After getting caught, he faced up to two years behind bars. Lynn instead received a sentence of six months’ probation.

Voter fraud at a Florida GOP stronghold leads to a light sentence (again)

Quite a few Republican voters were caught casting illegal ballots in the 2020 race. In each case, judges didn’t exactly throw the book at them.

www.msnbc.com

New YorkCNN —
A Republican elections official in an upstate New York county is accused of illegally using personal identifying information of voters to apply for absentee ballots that are alleged to have been used in 2021 elections, the Department of Justice said Tuesday.

Jason Schofield, the Republican Board of Elections commissioner of Rensselaer County, was arraigned Tuesday on an indictment charging him with unlawfully using the names and dates of birth of voters to fraudulently apply for absentee ballots for 2021 elections in his county, prosecutors said in a news release.

Schofield, 42, is alleged to have illegally used the voter information in connection with absentee ballot applications submitted to the state board of elections website, according to the US attorneys for the Northern District of New York.

He faces 12 counts of unlawful possession and use of a means of identification, per the indictment. If found guilty, he could face up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, the DOJ said in a statement.

NY GOP county election commissioner charged in alleged voter fraud scheme | CNN Politics

A Republican elections official in an upstate New York county is accused of illegally using personal identifying information of voters to apply for absentee ballots that are alleged to have been used in 2021 elections, the Department of Justice said Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

Systemic measures taken by the GOP to suppress voting:

Our first report drew on a sample of fewer than half of the approximately 860 counties or county-equivalents that were once covered by Section 5. This report covers an expanded data set of 757 counties. What’s more, the 2016 report relied on voluntary reports of aggregate numbers of polling places that state election officials gave to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission. This report relies largely on independent counts of polling places from public records requests and publicly available polling place lists.

In this report, we found 1,688 polling place closures between 2012 and 2018, almost double the 868 closures found in our 2016 report. Additionally, Democracy Diverted analyzes the reduction of polling places in the formerly covered Section 5 jurisdictions in the years between the 2014 and 2018 midterm elections. We found 1,173 fewer polling places in 2018 — despite a significant increase in voter turnout. To understand the discriminatory impact of these closures, we analyzed how voters of color were impacted at the precinct level. This analysis — precisely the kind that the U.S. Department of Justice conducted under preclearance — takes time and resources. Our hope is that journalists, advocates, and voters will use this county-level polling place data to scrutinize the impact of poll closures in their communities, to understand their impact on voters of color, and to create a fairer and more just electoral system for all.

Democracy Diverted: Polling Place Closures and the Right to Vote

In the 6 years since Shelby County v. Holder gutted key voter protections, more than 1,600 polling sites have been closed in 13 states. It’s time for Congress to act: tell them to #RestoreTheVOTE and pass the VRAA! http://bit.ly/PassVRAA

civilrights.org

The US Eliminated Nearly 21,000 Election Day Polling Locations for 2020

Exclusive VICE News analysis shows a 20% cut in election locations nationwide, and much deeper cuts in California, Maryland, Kentucky, New Jersey, Nevada and North Dakota.

www.vice.com

Plans to close all but one polling place in a rural Georgia county reverberate through a battleground state | CNN Politics

Voting rights activists are closely monitoring takeovers of local election boards in a state that helped decide the presidency and control of the Senate in 2020.

www.cnn.com

Texas closes hundreds of polling sites, making it harder for minorities to vote

Guardian analysis finds that places where black and Latino population is growing by the largest numbers experienced the majority of closures and could benefit Republicans

www.theguardian.com

Southern U.S. states have closed 1,200 polling places in recent years: rights group

States across the American South have closed nearly 1,200 polling places since the Supreme Court weakened a landmark voting-discrimination law in 2013, according to a report released by a civil-rights group on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Your turn. And none of those crap lies that has already been adjudicated by every court in this country.

 

[Peace]

That’s not what Rs say, though. They will say stuff like - turnout was too high, we need to curtail that. And they then try to do just that. What you are saying is the spin they put out there so that earnest people will think they’re not up to something. Believe me, Rs don’t want everyone who is eligible to vote to actually vote. They will admit that doesn’t favor them.

As was pointed out previously - GA’s law was much more restrictive before they got pushback from nearly everybody, including some major corporations. They took out the worst restrictions.

And yes, early turnout is high in GA, but I have not seen a breakdown of where it’s high.

Weak Republicans may pull that kind of shirt, but that's not where I stand. I want every citizen to have the right to vote.

I do, however, like the idea of tightening the voting guidelines to help ensure that illegal aliens and fake ballots don't get counted.

 

[Peace]

Republicans actually caught subverting democracy.

Four people plead guilty in North Carolina ballot probe of 2016 and 2018 elections

After the allegations surfaced in 2018, the elections board voted unanimously to order a new election in the state's 9th Congressional District.

www.nbcnews.com

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

Voter fraud at a Florida GOP stronghold leads to a light sentence (again)

Quite a few Republican voters were caught casting illegal ballots in the 2020 race. In each case, judges didn’t exactly throw the book at them.

www.msnbc.com

NY GOP county election commissioner charged in alleged voter fraud scheme | CNN Politics

A Republican elections official in an upstate New York county is accused of illegally using personal identifying information of voters to apply for absentee ballots that are alleged to have been used in 2021 elections, the Department of Justice said Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

Systemic measures taken by the GOP to suppress voting:

Democracy Diverted: Polling Place Closures and the Right to Vote

In the 6 years since Shelby County v. Holder gutted key voter protections, more than 1,600 polling sites have been closed in 13 states. It’s time for Congress to act: tell them to #RestoreTheVOTE and pass the VRAA! http://bit.ly/PassVRAA

civilrights.org

The US Eliminated Nearly 21,000 Election Day Polling Locations for 2020

Exclusive VICE News analysis shows a 20% cut in election locations nationwide, and much deeper cuts in California, Maryland, Kentucky, New Jersey, Nevada and North Dakota.

www.vice.com

Plans to close all but one polling place in a rural Georgia county reverberate through a battleground state | CNN Politics

Voting rights activists are closely monitoring takeovers of local election boards in a state that helped decide the presidency and control of the Senate in 2020.

www.cnn.com

Texas closes hundreds of polling sites, making it harder for minorities to vote

Guardian analysis finds that places where black and Latino population is growing by the largest numbers experienced the majority of closures and could benefit Republicans

www.theguardian.com

Southern U.S. states have closed 1,200 polling places in recent years: rights group

States across the American South have closed nearly 1,200 polling places since the Supreme Court weakened a landmark voting-discrimination law in 2013, according to a report released by a civil-rights group on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Your turn. And none of those crap lies that has already been adjudicated by every court in this country.

Kinda pointless, don't ya think? Don't you think we both could bury each other in this kind of activity?

So here, let's take a look at your side now:

Fraud cases in California: 52
Fraud cases in New York: 22
Fraud cases in Illinois: 45

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

 

[coldseat]

Well, you have to understand that the Left has taken control of the vast majority of sources. It's gotten to the point where nothing your side says can be trusted.

When something like this takes place, you mostly have to rely on your own intellect and wits. See, only a brain dead degenerate could take a look at Joe Biden and say "Yes, I can see how this tower of a statesman won the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth".

Cheaters got the babbling fool into the White House, and only an idiot or a liar would say otherwise.

This is complete and utter bullshirt!!! You don't have any intellect or wits, all you have are conspiracy theories that are fed to you that you believe regardless of ample proof to the contrary. You're an easy, gullible mark and the Republicans have used you as such. Maybe stop letting yourself be taken for a fool and a joke.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Kinda pointless, don't ya think? Don't you think we both could bury each other in this kind of activity?

So here, let's take a look at your side now:

Fraud cases in California: 52
Fraud cases in New York: 22
Fraud cases in Illinois: 45

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

Of those, how many are Democrats? I see you chose to ignore the systemic measures I pointed out to you, honestly I didn't expect you to address any of those issues.

I did forget to mention this personal anecdote: I live in LaPlace, La and my polling station was right around the corner from my house. Each time I voted there since 2016 my "Ward/Precinct" keeps changing meaning the machine location within that polling station changes, as of last year I can no longer vote there, I have to now drive to Reserve, La to vote. My old polling isn't closing, my "Ward/Precinct" is no longer being serviced there.

I can't help but to think that there is something nefarious going on out here because I have seen results of measures that I cannot remember seeing on my ballot! I have now taken the step of printing out my sample ballot and will compare that to the actual ballot at the polls and the election results.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Kinda pointless, don't ya think? Don't you think we both could bury each other in this kind of activity?

So here, let's take a look at your side now:

Fraud cases in California: 52
Fraud cases in New York: 22
Fraud cases in Illinois: 45

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

You realize that there are more Republicans in California than in the entirety of most states, right? Trump received more votes in California (just over 6 million) than the totality of people living in 31 other the remaining 49 states (all 31 under 6 million).

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Kinda pointless, don't ya think? Don't you think we both could bury each other in this kind of activity?

So here, let's take a look at your side now:

Fraud cases in California: 52
Fraud cases in New York: 22
Fraud cases in Illinois: 45

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

Thanks for this though, I blew that site off because it's The Heritage Foundation and I find them to be a corrupt think tank that would likely lead to the creation of Gilead, but it has indirectly shown that there are measure in place to combat voter fraud. It has also, inadvertently, shown how the justice system fails to punish equally.

This dude intentionally voted for HIMSELF twice.

Robert Lee Youngblood, the former President of the Randolph County Tea Party, submitted a mail-in ballot in the 2014 primary, where he was running for a seat on the county board of education. He then voted again at the polls on the first day of early voting. He pleaded guilty to charges of voter fraud. Mr. Youngblood was sentenced to two days in jail to be followed by 18 months of unsupervised probation and was fined $750.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/9689

This woman ATTEMPTED to vote:

Rendon, Texas native Crystal Mason voted in the 2016 election despite being a convicted felon. At the time, Mason was out on supervised release following three years' imprisonment on federal tax fraud charges. She claimed she was unaware of her ineligibility, despite signing an affidavit signifying she was not a felon prior to casting a provisional ballot. Mason decided to forego a jury trial, and a judge sentenced her to a five-year prison term for her illegal vote.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/9711

Please ignore The Heritage Foundation's description of Ms Mason's violation because that is a lie.

Mason’s case dates back to 2016 when, after discovering she was not on the voter roll, Mason submitted a provisional ballot in that year’s presidential election on the advice of a poll worker. Her ballot was rejected because she was not eligible to participate in elections while still on supervised release for a federal tax fraud conviction. But she was arrested a few months later.

Crystal Mason’s contentious illegal voting conviction must be reconsidered, criminal appeals court says

Mason said she didn’t know she was ineligible to vote when she cast a provisional ballot in 2016, but she was sentenced to five years in prison. Now, the Court of Criminal Appeals says an appellate court that affirmed her conviction must look again at the evidence of Mason’s intent.

www.texastribune.org

Her ballot was rejected meaning her vote as not counted.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Well, you have to understand that the Left has taken control of the vast majority of sources. It's gotten to the point where nothing your side says can be trusted.

When something like this takes place, you mostly have to rely on your own intellect and wits. See, only a brain dead degenerate could take a look at Joe Biden and say "Yes, I can see how this tower of a statesman won the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth".

Cheaters got the babbling fool into the White House, and only an idiot or a liar would say otherwise.

I say otherwise. Which one am I?

 

[MT15]

Kinda pointless, don't ya think? Don't you think we both could bury each other in this kind of activity?

So here, let's take a look at your side now:

Fraud cases in California: 52
Fraud cases in New York: 22
Fraud cases in Illinois: 45

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

So, two examples that were cited in the post you are responding to here are from GOP candidates and operatives and were actual election fraud. What you are bringing up are cases of voter fraud.

I can assure you that those voter fraud cases you are citing happen in every election, are routinely caught and don’t involve enough votes to swing the result of the election. This type of fraud is fairly evenly distributed between the two parties historically, but I think that is changing because of the fact that so many Rs think voter fraud is rampant that they go ahead and try it themselves.

Election fraud has the ability to possibly change the result of the election and that’s what happened in NC. There were also a couple cases in FL where the GOP ran so-called “ghost” candidates with similar names to the Dem candidates to confuse voters and dilute the vote of those who wanted to vote for the Dems. I think this was recognized too late to do anything about it, but the cases might be working their way through the courts - not sure. Election fraud is almost always involving a local election - somewhere that the vote totals are small. Election fraud of enough volume to sway a large election is just not possible.

Every election in this country has so many checks and safety measures that the type of election fraud that Trump is alleging just cannot happen. Even absentee ballots are scrutinized just like ballots cast in person. Sometimes even more so, depending on the state.

So, no there wasn’t any election fraud in the 2020 election, we have sworn testimony that even Trump admitted he lost. He just didn’t want the public to know he lost, and his massive ego and lack of any moral code allowed him to engineer many attempts to turn over a lawful and accurate election. Some legal, some illegal. I feel fairly confident he will be indicted yet this year on charges for some of his actions.