This is, IMO, going to be a big topic in the coming year. Republicans have stated their aim to make voting more restrictive in just about every state where they have the means to do so. Democrats would like to pass the Voting Rights Bill named after John Lewis. I’m going to go look up the map of all the states which have pending legislation to restrict voting. Now that we have the election in the rear view, I thought we could try to make this a general discussion thread, where people who have concerns about voting abuses can post as well and we can discuss it from both sides. Please keep memes out of this thread and put them in the boards where we go to talk about the other side, lol.
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‘Death by a thousand cuts’: Georgia’s new voting restrictions threaten midterm election
Georgia in focus: Since Biden carried the state with the support of Black voters, thousands of people’s eligibility has been disputed
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‘Death by a thousand cuts’: Georgia’s new voting restrictions threaten midterm election
Georgia in focus: Since Biden carried the state with the support of Black voters, thousands of people’s eligibility has been disputedwww.theguardian.com
Republicans know they have free reign with this Supreme Court to be able to disenfranchise and discriminate against voters. Why wouldn't they do it when it helps them win?
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well, this isn't a good look
The mistake was caught and admitted quickly, and it sounds like there are all sorts of protocols and failsafes to make sure none can register to vote
But it's still a bad look
And a month before the election it's just fuel for some people's fires
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DENVER (AP) — Colorado’s secretary of state office says it mistakenly sent postcards to about 30,000 noncitizens encouraging them to register to vote, blaming the error on a database glitch related to the state's list of residents with driver's licenses.
The office of Democratic Secretary of State Jena Griswold insisted none of the noncitizens will be allowed to register to vote if they try.
The news comes at a time of widespread skepticism — often unfounded — of voting integrity following the 2020 presidential election and as Griswold, who has touted her role as a national advocate for secure elections, seeks reelection in the November midterms.
Colorado’s Republican Party chair, Kristi Burton Brown, condemned Griswold for the error, saying in a Monday statement that “Jena Griswold continues to make easily avoidable errors just before ballots go out" by mail on Oct. 17...........
The mistake was caught and admitted quickly, and it sounds like there are all sorts of protocols and failsafes to make sure none can register to vote
But it's still a bad look
And a month before the election it's just fuel for some people's fires
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DENVER (AP) — Colorado’s secretary of state office says it mistakenly sent postcards to about 30,000 noncitizens encouraging them to register to vote, blaming the error on a database glitch related to the state's list of residents with driver's licenses.
The office of Democratic Secretary of State Jena Griswold insisted none of the noncitizens will be allowed to register to vote if they try.
The news comes at a time of widespread skepticism — often unfounded — of voting integrity following the 2020 presidential election and as Griswold, who has touted her role as a national advocate for secure elections, seeks reelection in the November midterms.
Colorado’s Republican Party chair, Kristi Burton Brown, condemned Griswold for the error, saying in a Monday statement that “Jena Griswold continues to make easily avoidable errors just before ballots go out" by mail on Oct. 17...........
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The mistake is believing it to an error. Call me cynical, but I can't help but to believe that this was very intentional and performed by those whose agenda matches those of the GOP.
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For a brief time in 2020, it seemed as though the vote-by-mail movement was having a bipartisan moment.
Red and blue states that had offered the option only to a relatively small number of residents were suddenly scrambling to expand mail voting to as many people as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19 at polling places. Voting rights advocates saw it as a chance to educate lawmakers and voters about the long-term benefits of moving away from casting ballots in person.
Then came President Trump’s baseless allegations of widespread mail ballot fraud.
Two years later, access to mail voting looks radically different from state to state, mirroring a broad partisan divide in voting policies.
Republican-led states, echoing the former president's unfounded fraud claims, have passed laws restricting access to ballot drop boxes, created new requirements for verifying voters, limited who can return a voter's ballot and made it harder to correct mistakes on mail ballots.
Democratic states have moved in the opposite direction — or attempted to do so. Legal challenges, failed ballot initiatives and constitutional hurdles have hampered efforts to make mail voting easier, particularly in the Northeast.
Voting rights advocates say mail voting makes the process easier for people who have difficulties traveling to polling places and helps blunt the impact of policies that suppress voter turnout, such as polling location closures that have a disproportionately negative effect on Black and Latino communities, leading to longer lines.
They have raised concerns that the policies Republicans have enacted to prevent mail ballot fraud — despite existing safeguards such as signature verification and ballot tracking — are discriminatory and disenfranchise people of color and low-income voters..............
Red and blue states that had offered the option only to a relatively small number of residents were suddenly scrambling to expand mail voting to as many people as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19 at polling places. Voting rights advocates saw it as a chance to educate lawmakers and voters about the long-term benefits of moving away from casting ballots in person.
Then came President Trump’s baseless allegations of widespread mail ballot fraud.
Two years later, access to mail voting looks radically different from state to state, mirroring a broad partisan divide in voting policies.
Republican-led states, echoing the former president's unfounded fraud claims, have passed laws restricting access to ballot drop boxes, created new requirements for verifying voters, limited who can return a voter's ballot and made it harder to correct mistakes on mail ballots.
Democratic states have moved in the opposite direction — or attempted to do so. Legal challenges, failed ballot initiatives and constitutional hurdles have hampered efforts to make mail voting easier, particularly in the Northeast.
Voting rights advocates say mail voting makes the process easier for people who have difficulties traveling to polling places and helps blunt the impact of policies that suppress voter turnout, such as polling location closures that have a disproportionately negative effect on Black and Latino communities, leading to longer lines.
They have raised concerns that the policies Republicans have enacted to prevent mail ballot fraud — despite existing safeguards such as signature verification and ballot tracking — are discriminatory and disenfranchise people of color and low-income voters..............
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A Florida man had his election fraud charges dismissed on Friday, making him the first of 20 people who Gov. Ron DeSantis announced had been charged with voter fraud in August, to beat his case.
The ruling by a Miami judge may now pave the way for similar motions and rulings in the other 19 election fraud cases, which garnered national attention and controversy when they were announced on Aug. 18. DeSantis said at the time that they were the “opening salvo” by Florida’s newly funded Office of Election Crimes and Security to crack down on voter fraud.
Robert Lee Wood, who faced one count of making a false affirmation on a voter application, and one count of voting as an unqualified elector, had his charges dismissed on the grounds that the prosecutor lacked jurisdiction to bring them......
The ruling by a Miami judge may now pave the way for similar motions and rulings in the other 19 election fraud cases, which garnered national attention and controversy when they were announced on Aug. 18. DeSantis said at the time that they were the “opening salvo” by Florida’s newly funded Office of Election Crimes and Security to crack down on voter fraud.
Robert Lee Wood, who faced one count of making a false affirmation on a voter application, and one count of voting as an unqualified elector, had his charges dismissed on the grounds that the prosecutor lacked jurisdiction to bring them......
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I hope the others get dismissed quickly because the charges were complete BS.
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Anyone doing this should be arrested and charged abruptly.
They are harrassing and indimidating people who are trying to vote.
They are harrassing and indimidating people who are trying to vote.
Possible investigation?
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Where is the discrimination? I mean, sure, there are always butt crevasses that pull shirt, but that's on both sides.
I want to see discrimination that is party wide. where is it?
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both sides!
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Yeah, I need to walk back what I said earlier. Companies should be able to fire someone for saying something racist because it's their right. What should never happen is criminalizing racist speech.
Now, where is the party wide discrimination?
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After their shocking defeat in the 2020 elections, Georgia Republicans enacted voting restrictions in the hopes they could prevent another defeat. (“I was as frustrated as anyone else with the results, especially at the federal level,” explained Governor Brian Kemp at a debate this year.
“And we did something about it with Senate Bill 202.”) And yet early voting numbers indicate the law has not so far curtailed voter turnout.
Conservatives have responded to this news by insisting the law was never intended to restrict voter participation, and anybody who claimed it was should apologize. “Georgia Exposes the ‘Jim Crow 2.0’ Lie,” writes Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel. “Where Does Georgia Go to Get Its Reputation Back?” asks National Review’s Rich Lowry. “Where Do Georgia Republicans Go to Get Their Apology?” repeats the same magazine’s Nate Hochman.
Republicans do have a point here that Democrats exaggerated the effects of the Georgia voting restrictions. It was not, as President Biden hyperbolically labeled it, “Jim Crow on steroids.” Modern voter-suppression laws are far less onerous than the restrictions in place before 1965, and even by modern standards, Georgia’s law is relatively mild.
The early results in Georgia are consistent with the outcomes of other voting restrictions. Evidence suggests voter suppression has little effect on turnout, because Democrats mobilize in response to restrictions, canceling out much or all of the suppressive effect.
But this dynamic reveals a paradox at the heart of the defense of voting restrictions. The reason voting restrictions are failing to restrict the vote is that Democrats are making a big deal of the fact that Republicans are trying to make it hard for their voters to cast ballots. Republicans wish to not only defend the laws but to stop the criticism.
The only way to defeat these laws is to loudly attack them, yet the very act of doing so allows conservatives to turn around and claim the attacks were lies.
The same dynamic shaped the contours of Georgia’s law. One reason Georgia’s law is mild is that the pushback against it was so fierce. After locally based firms like Delta and Coca-Cola pushed back on voting restrictions, Republicans stripped out some of the most noxious provisions (like those targeting Sunday voting, an important element of block-voter mobilization).
There is also an irony in conservatives pointing to high voter turnout as vindication: This is exactly the outcome they have tried to prevent. The American conservative movement has believed consistently that voting should be made more difficult in order to shrink the electorate...............
“And we did something about it with Senate Bill 202.”) And yet early voting numbers indicate the law has not so far curtailed voter turnout.
Conservatives have responded to this news by insisting the law was never intended to restrict voter participation, and anybody who claimed it was should apologize. “Georgia Exposes the ‘Jim Crow 2.0’ Lie,” writes Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel. “Where Does Georgia Go to Get Its Reputation Back?” asks National Review’s Rich Lowry. “Where Do Georgia Republicans Go to Get Their Apology?” repeats the same magazine’s Nate Hochman.
Republicans do have a point here that Democrats exaggerated the effects of the Georgia voting restrictions. It was not, as President Biden hyperbolically labeled it, “Jim Crow on steroids.” Modern voter-suppression laws are far less onerous than the restrictions in place before 1965, and even by modern standards, Georgia’s law is relatively mild.
The early results in Georgia are consistent with the outcomes of other voting restrictions. Evidence suggests voter suppression has little effect on turnout, because Democrats mobilize in response to restrictions, canceling out much or all of the suppressive effect.
But this dynamic reveals a paradox at the heart of the defense of voting restrictions. The reason voting restrictions are failing to restrict the vote is that Democrats are making a big deal of the fact that Republicans are trying to make it hard for their voters to cast ballots. Republicans wish to not only defend the laws but to stop the criticism.
The only way to defeat these laws is to loudly attack them, yet the very act of doing so allows conservatives to turn around and claim the attacks were lies.
The same dynamic shaped the contours of Georgia’s law. One reason Georgia’s law is mild is that the pushback against it was so fierce. After locally based firms like Delta and Coca-Cola pushed back on voting restrictions, Republicans stripped out some of the most noxious provisions (like those targeting Sunday voting, an important element of block-voter mobilization).
There is also an irony in conservatives pointing to high voter turnout as vindication: This is exactly the outcome they have tried to prevent. The American conservative movement has believed consistently that voting should be made more difficult in order to shrink the electorate...............
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Well, it's simple, really:
for one thing, democrats need to stop cheating.
Another thing, democrats need to stop being so relaxed with our immigration laws: they are illegal aliens, not "undocumented guests".
Follow the new guidelines, and every legal citizen should still be able to vote.
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Republicans need to stop cheating first! They cheat more often, at larger scale and are more unscrupulous about it. For Republicans, only the result matters. If the result is the right one for them (i.e. Republican's wins), then the elections was fair, regardless of how much they cheated. If a Democrat wins they cheated, regardless of the lack of any evidence or any critical throught.
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Nope. Democrats are the biggest violators. Stop cheating, and we can all get back to making America great, not just average, or worse.
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Stop accusing Democrats of cheating without evidence when they haven't been and all available evidence shows that it's Republicans cheating and maybe we can get back to making America rational again, not some conspiracy addled nation following a tyrant or worse.
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