US/Israel and Iran- (9 Viewers)

[efil4]

Thought we should start thread here - over weekend, US carried out strikes against Houthi elements in Yemen in retaliation for their actions in Red Sea.



Houthi leader issued this statement- no US ships in Red Sea


Houthis then attempted to strike US Carrier group

This morning Trump took to Truth Social:



So any missile/shot fired from Houthi elements in Yemen will be considered coming from Iran. Obviously this is wrought with problems, but we know Houthis will respond and continue attacks.

So then what does this mean for Iran? Lots to unpack, but seems to me that the NO WAR POTUS is hell bent on getting into yet ANOTHER conflict in the ME. He is backing himself into a corner with statements and we could find ourselves embroiled in ME conflict again.

 

[efil4]

New policy just dropped

BTW if i remember correct- the 3 largest buyers are:

China
Japan
India.

2 of those are allies.

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah we just rollin in MAGA.

 

[efil4]

From the annals of " didnt see that coming- /sarcasm on"

 

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[UriUT]

One strike doesn’t actually worry me - what does worry me are 2 things:

Real danger of a terrorist strike similar to OKC or 911

Trump will get favorable feedback and start thinking bombing things is the answer to his popularity issues.

I think the real long term consequence is that this reinforces Iran's commitment to developing a nuclear weapon. Unprovoked attacks like this tell them the only protection is a real nuclear threat...similarly to that of north korea.

Israel's own intelligence deemed at the time of the jcpoa negotiations that the leadership in Iran were rational and didn't want to pursue full blown enrichment, despite every opportunity to do so. They could ve completed enrichment required within a short time window but decided to stop suddenly reports stated. The downside was clear for them, right? The sanctions that come with developing nuclear weapons crippled them. Having nuclear weapons forces it's regional rival neighbors to pursue their own... Saudi Arabia and turkey. That would spiral into an arms race that they didn't want. Now it's their only path to prevent future attacks. With that, we have then to contend with holding Saudi Arabia from nukes....who knows how much trump has given mbs thus far.....oh...yeah, the 9/11 attack were saudis. The point then in the long term isn't about physically stopping Iran from nuclear weapons. There will be a time when they will build their facilities so far deeper than bombs can penetrate. We (mostly israel) may stop them temporarily by sabotage or bombings, currently..maybe? Or we can just invade like we did iraq? The real alternative then is convincing them to do so willingly. And iran up to now was willing. But as North Korea showed, if there is a will, a country with the means, like Iran, will get nukes with sacrifices like harm to their citizens' lives or economy.

The other contention with the us and israel were ballistic missiles. That, however, in their minds, was non-negotiable. That was their last line of defense and retaliation against israel's aggression and air superiority. It was also less of an anathema in the world's view. And worse, this event showed the ballistic missiles aren't real deterrents. To think that Republicans used that as an excuse to junk the jcpoa is bunkers. The Iranians held to that agreement.

Yeah, the retaliations are/can be real. They managed to send us a message, I think during obama's time, that they could hit us hard. They hacked into one of our power plants and could've caused serious problems. If I remember correctly, it had to do with our sabotaging their centrifuge. Our infrastructure are serious risks and aren't secure as we think. We ve walked past that line with killing one of their popular leaders in ver 1.0. Now this.

Americans are, indeed, stupid for electing this...and with these actions by this moron, a day will come when there will be calls for a full invasion if iran.

 

[superchuck500]

Global market dynamics are a choice - per DJT

 

[efil4]

Yeah, the retaliations are/can be real. They managed to send us a message, I think during obama's time, that they could hit us hard. They hacked into one of our power plants and could've caused serious problems. If I remember correctly, it had to do with our sabotaging their centrifuge. Our infrastructure are serious risks and aren't secure as we think. We ve walked past that line with killing one of their popular leaders in ver 1.0. Now this.

Stuxnet

 

[efil4]

Global market dynamics are a choice - per DJT

He in rare form today

 

[superchuck500]

He in rare form today

I can't believe this is how the United States is projecting into the world right now. He's a total clown.

 

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[efil4]

Just checked FlightRadar and several incoming flights to Doha have been diverted.

 

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[efil4]

PAtriot batteries at work

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

He in rare form today

Translation: "Don't give me the bootlicking, badarse military parade I wanted and protest against me instead. I'll show you. I'll show you all."

 

[Eeyore]

New policy just dropped

He thinks that he can cut off doing business with, nearly, all of asia.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I don't think NATO has to assist a member country that is the aggressor against retaliatory attacks. Israel and the US against Iran and it's proxy states and terrorist organizations is very different from US with NATO assistance against Iraq and Afghanistan, and look how badly those two turned out.

 

[Eeyore]