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ok I read a bunch of speculation. Can you point to what services are going to be cut. And how do we know its going to be cut when the man isn't in office yet. Do you have a statement from him or someone who speaks for him that said that there will be cuts to services for the poor?
Let me guess, common sense?
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Read the article - and more than the first paragraph. All the details is there. I don't need to get everything for you constantly. Do some work yourself
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It's not pure speculation - these are reports from various meetings within the GOP caucus on the Hill who have been meeting (including a Mar-a-Lago) about their plan in "enact the Trump agenda". Some of these representatives have appeared on TV news shows and talked about what is "on the table" - and the discussion includes some of these elements.
But you're right that nothing concrete is on meaningful paper yet . . .
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Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servantswho work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump's team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.
Trump's pick for national security adviser, Florida Rep. Mike Waltz, in recent days publicly signaled his intention to get rid of all nonpolitical appointees and career intelligence officials serving on the NSC by Inauguration Day to ensure the council is staffed with those who support Trump's agenda.
A wholesale removal of foreign policy and national security experts from the NSC on Day 1 of the new administration could deprive Trump's team of considerable expertise and institutional knowledge at a time when the U.S. is grappling with difficult policy challenges in Ukraine, the Mideast and beyond. Such questioning could also make new policy experts brought in to the NSC less likely to speak up about policy differences and concerns.…….
www.independent.co.uk
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Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servantswho work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump's team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.
Trump's pick for national security adviser, Florida Rep. Mike Waltz, in recent days publicly signaled his intention to get rid of all nonpolitical appointees and career intelligence officials serving on the NSC by Inauguration Day to ensure the council is staffed with those who support Trump's agenda.
A wholesale removal of foreign policy and national security experts from the NSC on Day 1 of the new administration could deprive Trump's team of considerable expertise and institutional knowledge at a time when the U.S. is grappling with difficult policy challenges in Ukraine, the Mideast and beyond. Such questioning could also make new policy experts brought in to the NSC less likely to speak up about policy differences and concerns.…….
Civil servants are being asked who they voted for in 2024 election
Trump’s pick for national security adviser wants staff who are “100 percent aligned with the president’s agenda.”
www.independent.co.uk
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Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servantswho work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump's team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.
Trump's pick for national security adviser, Florida Rep. Mike Waltz, in recent days publicly signaled his intention to get rid of all nonpolitical appointees and career intelligence officials serving on the NSC by Inauguration Day to ensure the council is staffed with those who support Trump's agenda.
A wholesale removal of foreign policy and national security experts from the NSC on Day 1 of the new administration could deprive Trump's team of considerable expertise and institutional knowledge at a time when the U.S. is grappling with difficult policy challenges in Ukraine, the Mideast and beyond. Such questioning could also make new policy experts brought in to the NSC less likely to speak up about policy differences and concerns.…….
Civil servants are being asked who they voted for in 2024 election
Trump’s pick for national security adviser wants staff who are “100 percent aligned with the president’s agenda.”
Yeah for the career/non-political side, I’m fairly certain that’s illegal. It’s definitely illegal for them to take action based on (a) what the response is or (b) failing to respond.
“The NSC staff members being questioned about their loyalty are largely subject matter experts who have been loaned to the White House by federal agencies — the State Department, FBI and CIA, for example — for temporary duty that typically lasts one to two years. If removed from the NSC, they would be returned to their home agencies.”
Incoming Trump team is asking White House National Security Council civil servants about their loyalty
Some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty.
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“The NSC staff members being questioned about their loyalty are largely subject matter experts who have been loaned to the White House by federal agencies — the State Department, FBI and CIA, for example — for temporary duty that typically lasts one to two years. If removed from the NSC, they would be returned to their home agencies.”
Incoming Trump team is asking White House National Security Council civil servants about their loyalty
Some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty.
It's good context - but I don't think that changes anything unless there's some kind of broad discretion to that NSC post that is an exception to the general federal employment law. Otherwise, "returning [them] to their home agencies" qualifies as several possible personnel actions that are prohibited to be taken on the basis of whether the employee voted for Trump.
5 USC Sec. 2302(a)(2)(A):
"personnel action" includes: an appointment; a promotion; an action under chapter 75 of this title or other disciplinary or corrective action; a detail, transfer, or reassignment; a reinstatement; a restoration; a reemployment; a performance evaluation under chapter 43 of this title or under title 38; a decision concerning pay, benefits, or awards, or concerning education or training if the education or training may reasonably be expected to lead to an appointment, promotion, performance evaluation, or other action described in this subparagraph; a decision to order psychiatric testing or examination; the implementation or enforcement of any nondisclosure policy, form, or agreement; and any other significant change in duties, responsibilities, or working conditions.
5 USC Sec. 2302(b)(1)(E) prohibits taking any personnel action relating to an employee on the basis of the employee's "political affiliation" that the courts have interpreted to include a person's support or non-support of a given candidate.
If they send the career civil employee back to their agency prior to the expected expiration of their temporary duty at NSC based on their not having voted for Trump or their refusal to answer who they voted for, that appears to be a reassignment and is a significant change in duties, responsibilities, and working conditions.
All of this came from about 100 years of trying make the civil service obedient to the law, not politics - and to end patronage systems. Trump very clearly thinks that patronage is his right as president despite it being contrary to law. The political appointed staff is where he can have his patronage - but he can't just start doing it in the civil service without proper authority.
But again, perhaps this White House NSC staff is somewhat unusual - there may be some liberating language in its authorities that allow this. But if it does, it's definitely an exception to the federal law.
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President-elect Donald Trump has announced that he is creating a new “External Revenue Service” to collect tariffs and other foreign income.
Trump announced the new agency in a Truth Social post Tuesday morning, contending that the U.S. has “relied on taxing our Great People using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)” for “far too long.”
“I am today announcing that I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources,” the president-elect wrote. “We will begin charging those that make money off of us with Trade, and they will start paying, FINALLY, their fair share.”
Trump said the service will begin operations on Monday, when he will officially take office after an inauguration ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.
Agencies are established by Congress.
It’s not clear how the External Revenue Service would operate. U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently handles tariffs and collects the funds, along with other fees associated with imports.
Those funds are then deposited into the U.S. General Fund. Trump, who has vowed to shrink the government, would be adding an agency to do tasks already performed by other agencies.……
www.independent.co.uk
Trump announced the new agency in a Truth Social post Tuesday morning, contending that the U.S. has “relied on taxing our Great People using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)” for “far too long.”
“I am today announcing that I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources,” the president-elect wrote. “We will begin charging those that make money off of us with Trade, and they will start paying, FINALLY, their fair share.”
Trump said the service will begin operations on Monday, when he will officially take office after an inauguration ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.
Agencies are established by Congress.
It’s not clear how the External Revenue Service would operate. U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently handles tariffs and collects the funds, along with other fees associated with imports.
Those funds are then deposited into the U.S. General Fund. Trump, who has vowed to shrink the government, would be adding an agency to do tasks already performed by other agencies.……
Trump announces puzzling new ‘External Revenue Service’ for tariffs
The man who wants to shrink the government will be adding a new agency performing tasks already covered by other agencies
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President-elect Donald Trump has announced that he is creating a new “External Revenue Service” to collect tariffs and other foreign income.
Trump announced the new agency in a Truth Social post Tuesday morning, contending that the U.S. has “relied on taxing our Great People using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)” for “far too long.”
“I am today announcing that I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources,” the president-elect wrote. “We will begin charging those that make money off of us with Trade, and they will start paying, FINALLY, their fair share.”
Trump said the service will begin operations on Monday, when he will officially take office after an inauguration ceremony at the U.S. Capitol.
Agencies are established by Congress.
It’s not clear how the External Revenue Service would operate. U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently handles tariffs and collects the funds, along with other fees associated with imports.
Those funds are then deposited into the U.S. General Fund. Trump, who has vowed to shrink the government, would be adding an agency to do tasks already performed by other agencies.……
Trump announces puzzling new ‘External Revenue Service’ for tariffs
The man who wants to shrink the government will be adding a new agency performing tasks already covered by other agencies
He still believes that the exporters, not the importers, will bear the burden of tariffs and fees. If the money isn’t going into the general fund, you can be certain that Trump already has "plans" for how it will be used.
Not to mention he can’t create said department.
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Saginaw’s Republicans were amused by the suggestion that their anger at corporate power in America and the military-industrial complex made them sound like liberals from a bygone age.
Yet Lori Patterson, chair of the local Republican party in this crucial region in the swing state of Michigan, was steadfast in her belief that Donald Trump will complete his oft-made promise to “drain the swamp”.
She believes Trump will take on the corporate giants she said wield too much control over US politics and citizens’ lives even as the incoming US president assembles a cabinet stacked with billionaires.
“The industrial complex, they’re enriching themselves, and it’s supposed to be about the people,” said Patterson. “Trump made mistakes in his first term. He wasn’t a politician. He didn’t know how to really drain that swamp like he wanted to. He trusted some of the wrong people. He learned that lesson this time.”…….
www.theguardian.com
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Saginaw’s Republicans were amused by the suggestion that their anger at corporate power in America and the military-industrial complex made them sound like liberals from a bygone age.
Yet Lori Patterson, chair of the local Republican party in this crucial region in the swing state of Michigan, was steadfast in her belief that Donald Trump will complete his oft-made promise to “drain the swamp”.
She believes Trump will take on the corporate giants she said wield too much control over US politics and citizens’ lives even as the incoming US president assembles a cabinet stacked with billionaires.
“The industrial complex, they’re enriching themselves, and it’s supposed to be about the people,” said Patterson. “Trump made mistakes in his first term. He wasn’t a politician. He didn’t know how to really drain that swamp like he wanted to. He trusted some of the wrong people. He learned that lesson this time.”…….
Voters who backed Trump identify new swamp to drain: corporate power
Saginaw county Republicans want new president to target big pharma, healthcare and food – can they rely on him?
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When we talk about Republicans not living in reality, this is the perfect example.
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Yup. Importers pay tarriffs and the extra cost will be passed down to consumers.
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Mexico should change it's name to America.
It was named after the gulf, not the other way around.
It was named after the gulf, not the other way around.
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That’s usually how it works. Same with taxes.
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What was named after the gulf?
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