Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (3 Viewers)

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    I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

    Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

    Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


     
    A mother-and-son duo who carried zip ties as they searched for lawmakers after breaching the US Capitol were sentenced to federal prison for several felony and misdemeanor charges in connection with the riots.

    Eric Munchel, 32, dubbed “zip-tie guy” on social media, was sentenced to nearly five years in prison followed by 36 months of supervised release on 8 September. His mother Lisa Marie Eisenhart, 59, was sentenced to more than two years in prison followed by 36 months of supervised release. They each have been ordered to pay $2,000 in restitution.…..


    www.the-independent.com

    ‘Zip-tie guy’ and his mother sentenced to prison for January 6 crimes

    Eric Munchel carried a Taser and stole zip-tie handcuffs from the Capitol as they looked for senators
    www.the-independent.com www.the-independent.com
     
    Guess this can go here
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    For more than two years, Michael Fanone’s muddied D.C. police badge was kept in a zip-top bag in an FBI evidence bin, dirt smeared across an imprint of the U.S. Capitol emblazoned on its face.


    The man who ripped Badge No. 3603 from Fanone’s tactical vest during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol had buried it in his backyard in Buffalo, and investigators later seized it to use in the criminal case against him.

    That man, Thomas Sibick, is in prison now, and authorities said the badge, no longer needed for evidence, is being returned to the department.


    But Fanone — who resigned 11 months after he had been dragged into the frenzied mob, beaten unconscious and threatened to be killed with his own gun — said that when he asked for it back, the agency he once served balked at his request.

    When a reporter called to inquire, a D.C. police spokesman initially pointed to regulations that dictate officers’ badges be returned to the department, noting that even former chiefs are forbidden from keeping their official shields after leaving the force.

    But on Friday, police said they would make an exception because of the “unique circumstances” of Fanone’s actions on Jan. 6, and would give the badge, mounted in a display case, back to him, if that’s what he wanted.


    “It’s the only thing from MPD that I want,” Fanone said of the scuffed piece of metal that he described at the sentencing hearing for Sibick as “the emblem of my duty and what I had dedicated my life to for the past 20 years.”……..

    “Traditionally, badges go back to the department,” Fanone said. “I understand that. But I think we’re dealing with some pretty extraordinary circumstances.”


    Fanone said that after his follow-up inquiries to D.C. police about the badge went nowhere, he enlisted the help of Christopher Macchiaroli, a former federal prosecutor in D.C. who is now in private practice. Macchiaroli had prosecuted some of the people Fanone arrested.


    Macchiaroli sent a letter dated Sept. 9 to Stuart Emerman, an assistant D.C. police chief of the technical and analytical services bureau, requesting the department allow the U.S. attorney’s office for D.C. to “release Officer Fanone’s shield back to him directly.”


    Having received no response, Fanone described the situation to The Washington Post. And when a reporter asked about it earlier this week, a D.C. police spokesman pointed to policies that he said prohibited ex-officers from retaining their badges.


    “MPD handles badges of former members consistently,” Paris Lewbel, the deputy director of communications for D.C. police, said in a statement. “Badges of members who separate from the Department, whether they resign or retire, are recycled for future officer assignment.”……

    Fanone said in an interview he does not want the D.C. police department to publicly display the badge. “Not a chance,” he said, adding that the agency doesn’t deserve to use him as a representative of officers who fought the insurrection because he feels it has not been fully supportive.

    Fanone said members of his own department jeered him at last year’s Congressional Gold Medal ceremony, which he said “almost dissolved into a fistfight because a fellow officer took that moment to call me a disgrace to the badge.” Twenty-one House Republicans voted against awarding officers the honor…….

     
    Neworleansfan said:
    Not sure where to put this but what the??

    www.cnn.com

    Former Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson claims Rudy Giuliani groped her on day of attack on Capitol | CNN Politics

    Cassidy Hutchinson, the former Trump White House aide, claims in a new book that Rudy Giuliani groped her backstage at the rally that preceded the former president’s supporters’ insurrection at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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    Wouldn't shock me. Rudy definitely has a few loose screws these days.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Trump responds to the Milley piece by suggesting that putting Milley to death would be appropriate.

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    So says the guy that signed an agreement with the taliban on the behalf of The United States of America. Hell, he wanted to bring them here to sign the withdrawal agreement.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Trump responds to the Milley piece by suggesting that putting Milley to death would be appropriate.

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    While I despise Trump, I didn't think his comment meant that Milley should get the death penalty. It's not really all that different than us saying the penalty for treason is death and talking about the 1/6 insurrectionists. He says "in times gone by", implying it's not really an option now.

    That said, all of what Trump said is utter bullshirt. Milley's leadership has been second to none and I have a great deal of respect for him.
     
    Interesting article
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    The bane of raw intelligence – and history – is that you can always look back and find the signs, but you can’t necessarily look ahead and see where they’re pointing. Many questions remain about the intelligence failures that enabled an insurrectionist mob to lay siege virtually unimpeded to the US Capitol. But here’s one sign that’s been flashing in my head since 6 January 2021.

    Four days before the 2020 election, a “Trump Train” of motorists swarmed a Biden-Harris campaign bus on Interstate 35 between San Antonio and Austin. Kamala Harris would have been on the bus but for a last-minute schedule change, according to Wendy Davis, then a Texas congressional candidate and the campaign surrogate onboard.

    The videotaped vehicular harassment – tailgating, sudden braking, passing the bus within inches – got nationwide coverage, courtesy of participants’ back-slapping on social media and Donald Trump’s high-five in return.

    Though no one was hurt, it took little imagination to see how a 20-ton container of flammable fuel moving in heavy traffic could have turned into a highway bomb. But to the Trump Train, one of its founders, Steve Ceh, told me, the razzing of the Democrats was simply “fun” – “like a rival football game”.

    No local arrests were reported, but the FBI in San Antonio confirmed it was investigating. Presumably (albeit against Trump’s tweeted wishes) it was still investigating two months later when the explosion came: a massive incarnation of the Trump Train rioting against President-elect Biden in Washington.

    It was then that I started getting flashbacks to another historic act of domestic terrorism, one also presaged by a difficult bus ride and lately back in the news.

    www.theguardian.com

    How a ‘Trump train’ attack on a Biden bus foreshadowed January 6 – and echoed bloody history

    Kamala Harris could have been on the bus Trump supporters threatened to run off the road in Texas, yet law enforcement barely responded. History shows the fruits of such inaction
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    DaveXA said:
    While I despise Trump, I didn't think his comment meant that Milley should get the death penalty. It's not really all that different than us saying the penalty for treason is death and talking about the 1/6 insurrectionists. He says "in times gone by", implying it's not really an option now.

    That said, all of what Trump said is utter bullshirt. Milley's leadership has been second to none and I have a great deal of respect for him.
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    He accused him of treason. With zero evidence.
     
    DaveXA said:
    While I despise Trump, I didn't think his comment meant that Milley should get the death penalty. It's not really all that different than us saying the penalty for treason is death and talking about the 1/6 insurrectionists. He says "in times gone by", implying it's not really an option now.

    That said, all of what Trump said is utter bullshirt. Milley's leadership has been second to none and I have a great deal of respect for him.
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    Disagree

    His intent is perfectly clear

    If regarding Tennessee expelling the 2 black representatives someone had said

    “In times gone by we would have just hung them from the closest tree”

    You can’t just dismiss that by saying they can’t do that today, they just said ‘in times gone by’
     
    DaveXA said:
    While I despise Trump, I didn't think his comment meant that Milley should get the death penalty. It's not really all that different than us saying the penalty for treason is death and talking about the 1/6 insurrectionists. He says "in times gone by", implying it's not really an option now.

    That said, all of what Trump said is utter bullshirt. Milley's leadership has been second to none and I have a great deal of respect for him.
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    Dave, you can't be serious, this is the exact type of rhetoric that led us to Jan 6th.....When someone (Trump) speaks in this manner he is telling you exactly what he thinks should happen.....
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    Dave, you can't be serious, this is the exact type of rhetoric that led us to Jan 6th.....When someone (Trump) speaks in this manner he is telling you exactly what he thinks should happen.....
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    yes but it was a bit of a roundabout way so it does not say it exactly that but his followers know exactly what he is say. he is really good at doing that.
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    Dave, you can't be serious, this is the exact type of rhetoric that led us to Jan 6th.....When someone (Trump) speaks in this manner he is telling you exactly what he thinks should happen.....
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    Actually I am serious. That said, how his followers read is different than how I read, so I guess if they interpret it that way...yeah.
     

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