Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[MT15]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So many jokes, so little time... lol

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is interesting it seems to contradict what was reported earlier about the effect the hearings were having. That more people blamed Trump and thought he should be charged
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When the dust settled on Jan. 6, 2021, we were unable to agree on whether Donald Trump had incited the insurrection.

But at least one conclusion crossed partisan lines: This had been a very bad and violent thing.


Apparently, we can’t even agree upon that anymore. The passage of time has prompted many Republicans to develop an increasingly fantastical view of what transpired that day.


A new Monmouth University poll carries some stark lessons for the work that lies ahead for the House Jan. 6 committee, to the extent that the panel seeks to convince conservative Americans that Trump committed a crime that day.

That’s because they increasingly don’t even believe what happened that day — and what they formerly accepted as reality — actually happened.

The poll shows significant reductions in the percentages of Republicans who characterize Jan. 6 not just as an “insurrection” but also a “riot.” And it’s not the first to point in that direction.

In addition, the poll shows more Republicans regard Jan. 6 as a “legitimate protest” than a “riot.”

The poll asked people in June 2021 and June 2022 whether each of those labels were appropriate descriptors for what transpired on Jan. 6, 2021.

And the GOP shifts are pretty uniform:

• While 33 percent of Republicans said in June 2021 that Jan. 6 was an insurrection, that number is now just 13 percent.

• While 62 percent of Republicans called it a “riot” back then, that’s down to 45 percent.

• While 47 percent said it was a “legitimate protest,” that’s now up to 61 percent.

So whereas more Republicans once said it was a “riot” than a “legitimate protest,” by a 15-point margin, that has been flipped, with Republicans favoring the “legitimate protest” label by 16 points. A majority of Republicans no longer even regard Jan. 6 as a “riot.”…….

Indeed, what’s particularly striking about these numbers is that this isn’t comparing GOP views of Jan. 6 to the immediate aftermath; it’s comparing them to views in June 2021.

By that point, the insurrection-doubter movement and its cohorts had already picked up steam. Yet one-third of Republicans still saw it as an insurrection, and 6 in 10 saw it as a riot.

The intervening months have apparently persuaded many to join the doubter movement……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/07/many-republicans-no-longer-call-jan-6-an-insurrection-or-even-riot/

 

[DaveXA]

This is interesting l, and seems to contradict what was reported earlier about the effect the hearings were having. That more people blamed Trump and thought he should be charged
=================================

When the dust settled on Jan. 6, 2021, we were unable to agree on whether Donald Trump had incited the insurrection.

But at least one conclusion crossed partisan lines: This had been a very bad and violent thing.


Apparently, we can’t even agree upon that anymore. The passage of time has prompted many Republicans to develop an increasingly fantastical view of what transpired that day.


A new Monmouth University poll carries some stark lessons for the work that lies ahead for the House Jan. 6 committee, to the extent that the panel seeks to convince conservative Americans that Trump committed a crime that day.

That’s because they increasingly don’t even believe what happened that day — and what they formerly accepted as reality — actually happened.

The poll shows significant reductions in the percentages of Republicans who characterize Jan. 6 not just as an “insurrection” but also a “riot.” And it’s not the first to point in that direction.

In addition, the poll shows more Republicans regard Jan. 6 as a “legitimate protest” than a “riot.”

The poll asked people in June 2021 and June 2022 whether each of those labels were appropriate descriptors for what transpired on Jan. 6, 2021.

And the GOP shifts are pretty uniform:

• While 33 percent of Republicans said in June 2021 that Jan. 6 was an insurrection, that number is now just 13 percent.

• While 62 percent of Republicans called it a “riot” back then, that’s down to 45 percent.

• While 47 percent said it was a “legitimate protest,” that’s now up to 61 percent.

So whereas more Republicans once said it was a “riot” than a “legitimate protest,” by a 15-point margin, that has been flipped, with Republicans favoring the “legitimate protest” label by 16 points. A majority of Republicans no longer even regard Jan. 6 as a “riot.”…….

Indeed, what’s particularly striking about these numbers is that this isn’t comparing GOP views of Jan. 6 to the immediate aftermath; it’s comparing them to views in June 2021.

By that point, the insurrection-doubter movement and its cohorts had already picked up steam. Yet one-third of Republicans still saw it as an insurrection, and 6 in 10 saw it as a riot.

The intervening months have apparently persuaded many to join the doubter movement……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/07/many-republicans-no-longer-call-jan-6-an-insurrection-or-even-riot/

Just burn the Republican Party to the ground and start over. I left that sheet for this reason.

 

[bird]

This is interesting it seems to contradict what was reported earlier about the effect the hearings were having. That more people blamed Trump and thought he should be charged
=================================

When the dust settled on Jan. 6, 2021, we were unable to agree on whether Donald Trump had incited the insurrection.

But at least one conclusion crossed partisan lines: This had been a very bad and violent thing.


Apparently, we can’t even agree upon that anymore. The passage of time has prompted many Republicans to develop an increasingly fantastical view of what transpired that day.


A new Monmouth University poll carries some stark lessons for the work that lies ahead for the House Jan. 6 committee, to the extent that the panel seeks to convince conservative Americans that Trump committed a crime that day.

That’s because they increasingly don’t even believe what happened that day — and what they formerly accepted as reality — actually happened.

The poll shows significant reductions in the percentages of Republicans who characterize Jan. 6 not just as an “insurrection” but also a “riot.” And it’s not the first to point in that direction.

In addition, the poll shows more Republicans regard Jan. 6 as a “legitimate protest” than a “riot.”

The poll asked people in June 2021 and June 2022 whether each of those labels were appropriate descriptors for what transpired on Jan. 6, 2021.

And the GOP shifts are pretty uniform:

• While 33 percent of Republicans said in June 2021 that Jan. 6 was an insurrection, that number is now just 13 percent.

• While 62 percent of Republicans called it a “riot” back then, that’s down to 45 percent.

• While 47 percent said it was a “legitimate protest,” that’s now up to 61 percent.

So whereas more Republicans once said it was a “riot” than a “legitimate protest,” by a 15-point margin, that has been flipped, with Republicans favoring the “legitimate protest” label by 16 points. A majority of Republicans no longer even regard Jan. 6 as a “riot.”…….

Indeed, what’s particularly striking about these numbers is that this isn’t comparing GOP views of Jan. 6 to the immediate aftermath; it’s comparing them to views in June 2021.

By that point, the insurrection-doubter movement and its cohorts had already picked up steam. Yet one-third of Republicans still saw it as an insurrection, and 6 in 10 saw it as a riot.

The intervening months have apparently persuaded many to join the doubter movement……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/07/many-republicans-no-longer-call-jan-6-an-insurrection-or-even-riot/

Huh. So why were BLM protests decried by these azzhats? Oh, wait, that’s right, those people were…

Black.

My mistake. Carry on.

 

[Bolo]

Just burn the Republican Party to the ground and start over. I left that sheet for this reason.

Burn them both down. Put an age limit of 65 max. Term limits, you can have 1 senate term or 2 house terms, max. Public service is not supposed to be a lifetime career. Freeze all assets an elected official has whilst a public servant. All those millions you have before you took office can't be touched by you nor spouse, you're completely cut off from previous wealth until you leave office and all duties prior to becoming a public servant must be handed off as you're not allowed to even operate old businesses etc whilst a public servant. You get a bit of starting cash to make that transition then must live on salary alone after. Cannot earn any other money whilst under public service, period and campaign finances need to be tightly scrutinized and when your service comes to an end an independent third party will donate the leftovers to something like St.Judes or a cause in that same sphere. Not allowed to participate in the stock market whilst under public service.

Public service should be freaking annoying and filled by those who actually want to fix things in a timely matter , it should not be a forever luxury ripe with fraud and selling out.

 

[DaveXA]

Burn them both down. Put an age limit of 65 max. Term limits, you can have 1 senate term or 2 house terms, max. Public service is not supposed to be a lifetime career. Freeze all assets an elected official has whilst a public servant. All those millions you have before you took office can't be touched by you nor spouse, you're completely cut off from previous wealth until you leave office and all duties prior to becoming a public servant must be handed off as you're not allowed to even operate old businesses etc whilst a public servant. You get a bit of starting cash to make that transition then must live on salary alone after. Cannot earn any other money whilst under public service, period and campaign finances need to be tightly scrutinized and when your service comes to an end an independent third party will donate the leftovers to something like St.Judes or a cause in that same sphere. Not allowed to participate in the stock market whilst under public service.

Public service should be freaking annoying and filled by those who actually want to fix things in a timely matter , it should not be a forever luxury ripe with fraud and selling out.

Sure, but when you have people who can't look in the mirror, and can't admit that the 1/6 event was a riot/insurrection, it's essentially a psychotic break from reality. Reminds me of Nazi Germany when people bought into Hitler's propaganda and Russia today with Putin's so-called "special military operation". People who bought what these megalomaniacs were selling don't have the self-awareness to realize their faith in these forked up leaders is misplaced, and ultimately leads to fascism and totalitarian states. We're well on our way there if the Republicans have their way.

Mark my words, they're somehow going to turn that sheet-show into a national holiday.

 

[MT15]

 

[Taurus]

Burn them both down. Put an age limit of 65 max. Term limits, you can have 1 senate term or 2 house terms, max. Public service is not supposed to be a lifetime career. Freeze all assets an elected official has whilst a public servant. All those millions you have before you took office can't be touched by you nor spouse, you're completely cut off from previous wealth until you leave office and all duties prior to becoming a public servant must be handed off as you're not allowed to even operate old businesses etc whilst a public servant. You get a bit of starting cash to make that transition then must live on salary alone after. Cannot earn any other money whilst under public service, period and campaign finances need to be tightly scrutinized and when your service comes to an end an independent third party will donate the leftovers to something like St.Judes or a cause in that same sphere. Not allowed to participate in the stock market whilst under public service.

Public service should be freaking annoying and filled by those who actually want to fix things in a timely matter , it should not be a forever luxury ripe with fraud and selling out.

I'm sure if you think about it, you can easily come up with two reasons why that plan would be a disaster.

 

[bird]

Paul Ryan…douchebags gotta douche.

 

[MT15]

Another treason weasel R lawyer was in on it:

New York Times: Conservative lawyer suggested to Trump he take steps akin to declaring ‘martial law’ to overturn election results | CNN Politics

Then-President Donald Trump in December 2020 was entertaining fringe legal advice from a wider group of outside lawyers than was previously known as he sought to block the 2020 election result. That included hearing directly from a little-known conservative lawyer advising Trump to take steps...

www.cnn.com

 

[DaveXA]

Another treason weasel R lawyer was in on it:

New York Times: Conservative lawyer suggested to Trump he take steps akin to declaring ‘martial law’ to overturn election results | CNN Politics

Then-President Donald Trump in December 2020 was entertaining fringe legal advice from a wider group of outside lawyers than was previously known as he sought to block the 2020 election result. That included hearing directly from a little-known conservative lawyer advising Trump to take steps...

www.cnn.com

Not terribly surprising. I do think the idea of subverting the election results started with Trump though. Losing a popularity contest is something he'd never willingly admit to.

 

[MT15]

Pence wasn’t the only one who was suspicious of the Secret Service (or at least the Trump loyal faction). I would dearly love for Grassley to have to explain why he thought Pence wouldn’t be there on the 6th (which he said on the 5th). I also think Ornato needs a subpoena.

“What transpired in the White House around this time, as described in the book, is a conversation between Tony Ornato, who oversaw the Secret Service's movements, and Keith Kellogg, a national security adviser to Pence. Ornato reportedly told Kellogg that Pence’s detail was planning to move the vice president to Joint Base Andrews, which is located in Maryland, but Kellogg refused to accept that plan. “Leave him where he’s at. He’s got a job to do. I know you guys too well. You’ll fly him to Alaska if you have a chance. Don’t do it," Kellogg said, according to the report, which notes that Ornato, through a spokesperson, denied the conversation took place.

"We don’t know whether or not Pence thought this was a coup," Leonnig said Friday during an appearance on MSNBC, in contrast to Raskin's assertion. "What we know is Pence was super suspicious and insistent on staying."”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ence-from-besieged-capitol-becomes-coup-focus

 

[nolaspe]

Hawley traitor trotting his cowardly arse away from the seditious troglodyte magatards he helped rile up is worth a good laugh...

 

[MT15]

This might be big - they evidently referred to their own scheme of alternate electors as “fake electors”, lol.

 

[MT15]

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

 

[Optimus Prime]

A former state lawmaker who six weeks ago apologized to a federal judge for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack is now writing a book for a right-wing publisher claiming he has been mistreated.

Derrick Evans, who was sentenced in June to three months in prison after pleading guilty to felony civil disorder, said in a statement that he had been “slandered” and wanted “to share my story with the world.”

The terms of the deal are confidential, a spokesperson for Defiance Press said.

Evans filmed himself entering the Capitol building and urging others to do the same, while yelling at police officers who tried to control the mob. At his sentencing, he told Senior U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth he felt daily regret for getting “caught up in a moment which led to me breaking the law.”

But Evans has since repeatedly downplayed the violence and destruction and his own role in the riot, as prosecutors noted in a letter to the court. In a radio interview aired the day after his sentencing, Evans said he was “never going to have regrets when it comes to standing up and doing what’s right.”

He has since described himself as a “political prisoner” and expressed a desire to run for office again. Evans was elected to the West Virginia House of Delegates in 2020 and resigned after his arrest last year. Before that, he was known as a confrontational antiabortion activist who would film staff and patients going into West Virginia clinics.

“While Evans’s sentence has already been imposed and the government is not here seeking its modification, the speed and degree of Evans’s about face warrants this notice, for the record and for the Court’s edification,” prosecutor Kathryn E. Fifield wrote in the June 30 filing.

Other Jan. 6 participants have made similarly contradictory statements about their actions. The first woman sentenced for illegally entering the Capitol, Anna Morgan-Lloyd, apologized profusely in court; the next day Fox News aired an interview with her minimizing the attack. Lamberth and other federal judges have since expressed skepticism that the remorse displayed by defendants in these cases is genuine.............

W.Va. politician who apologized for Jan. 6 now writing defiant book