Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (20 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[insidejob]

So...just curious here. If what Glenn is saying is so true, how is he still so active on a variety of platforms?

 

[Saintman2884]

So...just curious here. If what Glenn is saying is so true, how is he still so active on a variety of platforms?

Is it so outrageous or unrealistic to imagine their won't be some attempt to have him booted off those same Internet blogs, publications, or platforms? Glenn Greenwald, despite his hyperbole, newfound controversy isn't exactly on the same intense, highly visible contensious level of controversy as someone like Alex Jones is or was. Maybe he believes they can't target him using the same techniques or strategy necessarily to boot him from the Internet or FB as they did with more cookie-cutter, ridiculous conspiracy theorist types like Jones. If you're Chris Hayes or Amy Klobuchar, you can't attack or try to discredit Greenwald by conjuring up the same ridiculous over-the-top silly cliches and perceptions so many people have of Alex Jones.

If you've heard just 50% of the same silly, idiotic moronic conspiracy theory balderdash Jones has put on and believes in like arguing that the British Royal family are actually alien/human reptilian hybrid race(David Icke), consider yourself spared from enduring more of his unintelligable, specious drivel. Alex Jones is his own worst enemy in many regards.

 

[Taurus]

ridiculous over-the-top silly cliches and perceptions so many people have of Alex Jones.

If you've heard just 50% of the same silly, idiotic moronic conspiracy theory balderdash Jones has put on and believes in like arguing that the British Royal family are actually alien/human reptilian hybrid race(David Icke), consider yourself spared from enduring more of his unintelligable, specious drivel. Alex Jones is his own worst enemy in many regards.

These two statements contradict.
An opinion of Alex Jones as being an unhinged purveyor of stupidity is actually just an accurate opinion, because that's what he is.

 

[Saintman2884]

These two statements contradict.
An opinion of Alex Jones as being an unhinged purveyor of stupidity is actually just an accurate opinion, because that's what he is.

When did I say Greenwald and Jones are in the same category above? I didnt because their not. In fact, I kind of make that distinction very clear and obvious.

 

[Taurus]

When did I say Greenwald and Jones are in the same category above? I didnt because their not. In fact, I kind of make that distinction very clear and obvious.

So?
You're responding to something I didn't say.

 

[SaintForLife]

If at this point you can't objectively concede that Russia ultimately benefited from a Trump presidency (and the normalizing of hyper-partisan politics making America its own worst enemy) whether there is evidence of Putin's specific actions or not... then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

If you can't see that Trumps policies were tougher on Russia than Obama and Biden than I have a laptop in Delaware to sell you.

On CNN’s “New Day” on New Year’s morning, the network’s Fareed Zakaria was asked how U.S. Russia policy under President Joe Biden might differ from policy under President Trump.

“I think, in general, there isn’t going to be as much difference as people imagine,” Zakaria said. “The Biden folks are pretty tough on Russia, Iran, North Korea. You know, the dirty little secret about the Trump administration was that while Donald Trump clearly had a kind of soft spot for Putin, the Trump administration was pretty tough on the Russians. They armed Ukraine. They armed the Poles. They extended NATO operations and exercises in ways that even the Obama administration had not done. They maintained the sanctions. So I don’t think it will be that different.”

...Trump had, the lawmaker noted: 1) Bombed Syria, Russia’s main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia’s consulate in San Francisco

Now they tell us — Trump was tough on Russia

Democrats and their allies in the press spent the last four years accusing President Donald Trump of being soft on Russia. And worse: Some called the president a Russian asset,

www.oleantimesherald.com

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Supporting your points with an opinion piece by an extreme partisan like Bryan York who apparently can only get stuff published in the Olean Times Herald... and oh boy... more Glenn Grenwald... does not help to disavow my view of you living in an echo chamber.

You also did not deny the immutable fact that Russia benefits from the division caused by Trump. I am not obsessed with Russia, I can just recognize reality when I see it. All of these tabloid topics about Hunter Biden or whatever are pointless. Trump is pond scum who did irreparable damage to this country. I thought you had conceded he was basically indefensible after the events of January 6 but I guess time heals all wounds.

Come back to me when you have a reputable Conservative or Libertarian talking point to discuss. You were doing so good with that AT&T owning OAN topic, bro, and now you let me down.

 

[SaintForLife]

Supporting your points with an opinion piece by an extreme partisan like Bryan York who apparently can only get stuff published in the Olean Times Herald... and oh boy... more Glenn Grenwald... does not help to disavow my view of you living in an echo chamber.

You also did not deny the immutable fact that Russia benefits from the division caused by Trump. I am not obsessed with Russia, I can just recognize reality when I see it. All of these tabloid topics about Hunter Biden or whatever are pointless. Trump is pond scum who did irreparable damage to this country. I thought you had conceded he was basically indefensible after the events of January 6 but I guess time heals all wounds.

Come back to me when you have a reputable Conservative or Libertarian talking point to discuss. You were doing so good with that AT&T owning OAN topic, bro, and now you let me down.

Ah the attack the messenger argument which shows that it's obvious that you can't address any of the specific details. I posted that article because even CNN's Zakaria admitted that Trump was tough on Russia. You can continue to deflect and ignore that Trump was tougher on Russia than Obama or Biden by focusing on the messenger. That's a weak message board tactic to avoid addressing anything specific.

Why don't you list the things Obama or Biden did towards Russia that was tougher that Trump. What do you think about Biden letting Russia getting their key strategic goal of the pipeline with Germany? If Trump would have done that you guys would be foaming at the mouth. I seriously doubt that you will get into anything specific and until you do I will ignore any more of your posts on this subject.

Russia benefits from people like you and many on the left who have elevated Russia into a super power that has way more influence in real life. OMG the $100,000 worth of Facebook ads totally gave the election to Trump. It's hilarious that you are talking about an echo chamber when many here are constantly repeating the CIA/FBI propaganda than has been spoonfed to your favorite trusted media outlets.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Ah the attack the messenger argument which shows that it's obvious that you can't address any of the specific details. I posted that article because even CNN's Zakaria admitted that Trump was tough on Russia. You can continue to deflect and ignore that Trump was tougher on Russia than Obama or Biden by focusing on the messenger. That's a weak message board tactic to avoid addressing anything specific.

Why don't you list the things Obama or Biden did towards Russia that was tougher that Trump. What do you think about Biden letting Russia getting their key strategic goal of the pipeline with Germany? If Trump would have done that you guys would be foaming at the mouth. I seriously doubt that you will get into anything specific and until you do I will ignore any more of your posts on this subject.

Russia benefits from people like you and many on the left who have elevated Russia into a super power that has way more influence in real life. OMG the $100,000 worth of Facebook ads totally gave the election to Trump. It's hilarious that you are talking about an echo chamber when many here are constantly repeating the CIA/FBI propaganda than has been spoonfed to your favorite trusted media outlets.

^ That entire post was scripted out of an echo chamber, mate. Trump was stronger on Russia... and he also sicked a mob of lunatics on Congress to halt the counting of Electoral Votes. That helped Russia more than anything Obama has done or Biden might do. But feel free to ignore whichever of my posts you like just like you ignore January 6.

Also the only media I watch/read these days is the BBC -- I dunno if the FBI or CIA influences them. I kind of doubt it, though.

 

[brandon]

Why don't you list the things Obama or Biden did towards Russia that was tougher that Trump.

Counter-offer: I’ll just post Trump being Putin’s birch in plain sight.

 

[DaveXA]

Just thought I'd drop this here for those following the 1/6 commission.

 

[Taurus]

Just thought I'd drop this here for those following the 1/6 commission.

I'll believe it when I see it, Liz.

As a responding tweet said "A subpoena without consequences is just an invitation."

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Scalise is garbage. Sadly, he's my Congressman.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

And to all those (basically just one guy here) who peddled the falsehood that Hillary protested the results of the 2016 election, here it is straight from Der Fuhrer's mouth:

 

[samiam5211]

^ That entire post was scripted out of an echo chamber, mate. Trump was stronger on Russia... and he also sicked a mob of lunatics on Congress to halt the counting of Electoral Votes. That helped Russia more than anything Obama has done or Biden might do. But feel free to ignore whichever of my posts you like just like you ignore January 6.

Also the only media I watch/read these days is the BBC -- I dunno if the FBI or CIA influences them. I kind of doubt it, though.

Plus by saying he was hard on Russia, it avoids the reality that Trump loved Putin, not Russia.

Putin gained more from the Trump presidency than any other individual on the planet. Trump pretending like he was tough on Russia, only feeds the narrative that Putin is trying to sell to hang on to power. Almost everything Trump did was advantageous for Putin.

Trump loves authoritarian leaders, he doesn't care about the people. His respect for Kim Jun Un doesn't stem from a deep respect of the North Korean people.

It is pathetic that people in this country still support Trump. They are in a cult.

Trump supporters are in a CULT.

 

[Farb]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/fede...probe-into-jails-treatment-of-jan-6-detainees

A federal judge is pushing for Biden’s Department of Justice to launch a civil rights investigation into the treatment of January 6 detainees after finding the warden of a D.C. jail and the director of the D.C. Department of Corrections in contempt.

“U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth of Washington acted after finding jail officials failed to turn over information needed to approve surgery recommended four months ago for a Jan. 6 Capitol riot defendant’s broken wrist,” The Washington Post reported. “The failure of D.C. officials to turn over medical records is ‘more than just inept and bureaucratic jostling of papers,’ Lamberth said in a hearing, raising the possibility of deliberate mistreatment.”

“I find that the civil rights of the defendant have been abused,” Lamberth said. “I don’t know if it’s because he’s a January 6th defendant or not, but I find this matter should be referred to the attorney general of the United States for a civil rights investigation into whether the D.C. Department of Corrections is violating the civil rights of January 6th defendants … in this and maybe other cases.”

Good. I find the treatment of these protestors starkly different from the treatment of the summer of love protesters.

 

[Farb]

Plus by saying he was hard on Russia, it avoids the reality that Trump loved Putin, not Russia.

Putin gained more from the Trump presidency than any other individual on the planet. Trump pretending like he was tough on Russia, only feeds the narrative that Putin is trying to sell to hang on to power. Almost everything Trump did was advantageous for Putin.

Trump loves authoritarian leaders, he doesn't care about the people. His respect for Kim Jun Un doesn't stem from a deep respect of the North Korean people.

It is pathetic that people in this country still support Trump. They are in a cult.

Trump supporters are in a CULT.

I know. This other option of Biden is working out great.

 

[samiam5211]

I know. This other option of Biden is working out great.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the cult forming around us.

Trump post presidency rallys are Nazi-ish.

Our political system is too broken to stop what is coming.