Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Complex Kid]

Lol rich? So now Kentucky is rich! Alabama? Tds is real

Oh look those precincts that Trump "flipped from the democrat's" went Romney in 2012. Shocking

 

[FullMonte]

Come on bro.. this has been broken down many times.. I’ll post a link you will say bad source.. so let’s just agree to disagree.. you don’t think ppl that LEFT actually left lol it’s tds

Nope. You don't get off that easy. You said that there is a video out there showing poll workers telling the observers to leave because they were done counting.

Either provide your video, or admit that it doesn't exist.

You don't get to agree to disagree on whether or not something happened. It either did or didn't.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trump won with overwhelming evidence.. it’s scary to think we are being silenced

Let's assume for a moment that you're right

Trump won the 2020 election and won by a landslide

That would mean that the results of the election for President of the United States were wrongly, unfairly, deliberately and illegally changed

Think about that, and you'd be right that it would be beyond scary

THAT would be a political 9-11. An attack on America and on American democracy and values

I haven't heard anyone, Repeat ANYONE talk about that in those terms

Not Donald Trump, not Rudy Giuliani, not Ted Cruz, not the MyPillow guy or anyone on Fox or OAN, or any of his supporters

Nothing about this will not stand, nothing about we're are going to find these people, and punish them to the fullest extent of the law. (I don't know what the charges would be if what you think happened happened, or what the sentence would be, but it's not a slap on the wrist)

Nothing about how could this happen, and we are going to make sure that it never happens again

Christopher Krebs wasn't fired for allowing the election fraud he was warned of for months, he was fired for saying it didn't happen

(If people were saying for months that a particular bank was going to be robbed on a particular day and it was you don't think the head of bank security would have some hard questions to answer?)

It's almost as if they don't care who did it, how it was done and as long as the results are overturned they don't care if they get away with it scot free

Think about why that is

 

[MT15]

Jitss, you have been quick to call people on here fascist and label them with other derogatory names. Go read the TOS, as a friendly piece of advice. The mods here are slow to act, but they will act.

So in order to talk, we need to have some common frames of reference.

1. Biden cannot be decertified at this point. He is the president of the United States. If you can’t agree about this there is nothing that can be discussed. So do you agree or not with the first two sentences here?

2. These claims of voter fraud on a massive scale rely on hundreds, probably thousands of people being “in on it” throughout at least five states. Many of them are actually Republicans. In order to believe that this election was stolen through this sort of massive conspiracy, well, it relies on something that just couldn’t happen. Impossible. You’ve been sold a lie.

 

[DaveXA]

Nope. You don't get off that easy. You said that there is a video out there showing poll workers telling the observers to leave because they were done counting.

Either provide your video, or admit that it doesn't exist.

You don't get to agree to disagree on whether or not something happened. It either did or didn't.

Yep, it's ultimately bunk. I've watched several versions of those videos and none of them show much of anything nefarious. It was always a bunk claim from the get go.

 

[wardorican]

Ohh where is the trailer with 280,000 ballots that were stolen? 50 thousand 120 year olds voted in Michigan alone? Lol I have a link that says there are many cases waiting I’m for the courts to allow evidence.. it will be a slow enjoyable break down of Biden’s major loss

I don't think it was ever substantiated. See, anyone can make claims. But where's the proof?

https://lancasteronline.com/news/po...cle_21bdb3ce-3504-11eb-847c-cba782c04964.html

I can't find many good sources on this, because google is flooded with all kinda of crackpot sites repeating the same claim over and over again.

Fact Check: Explaining the Claims Made by ‘Whistleblower’ Jesse Morgan

Morgan says he observed a series of 'weird' events while working as a subcontractor for the U.S. Postal Service.

factcheck.thedispatch.com

Trump ‘Fraud’ Witness Also Believes Ghosts Are Haunting His Family

Jesse Morgan became a mini-hero on the right after testifying about ballot fraud. His past claims are similarly dubious.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[wardorican]

No one is in jail for perjury? So nothing has been disproven.. hmmm

What do you even mean? Why would lawyers perjure themselves?

 

[jitss617]

Nope. You don't get off that easy. You said that there is a video out there showing poll workers telling the observers to leave because they were done counting.

Either provide your video, or admit that it doesn't exist.

You don't get to agree to disagree on whether or not something happened. It either did or didn't.

Ok let’s work with what you posted..
1. Did some ppl leave in that video? Yes or no?

 

[jitss617]

What do you even mean? Why would lawyers perjure themselves?

Witness under oath.. pay attention

 

[jitss617]

I don't think it was ever substantiated. See, anyone can make claims. But where's the proof?

https://lancasteronline.com/news/po...cle_21bdb3ce-3504-11eb-847c-cba782c04964.html

I can't find many good sources on this, because google is flooded with all kinda of crackpot sites repeating the same claim over and over again.

Fact Check: Explaining the Claims Made by ‘Whistleblower’ Jesse Morgan

Morgan says he observed a series of 'weird' events while working as a subcontractor for the U.S. Postal Service.

factcheck.thedispatch.com

Trump ‘Fraud’ Witness Also Believes Ghosts Are Haunting His Family

Jesse Morgan became a mini-hero on the right after testifying about ballot fraud. His past claims are similarly dubious.

www.thedailybeast.com

So you think he’s lying lol ok

 

[MT15]

Witness under oath.. pay attention

So post the transcripts. There are no credible testimonies to massive voter fraud, as you say there are. So if you have them, post the transcripts. Not a story from a website, the actual transcripts.

 

[wardorican]

Ohh where is the trailer with 280,000 ballots that were stolen? 50 thousand 120 year olds voted in Michigan alone? Lol I have a link that says there are many cases waiting I’m for the courts to allow evidence.. it will be a slow enjoyable break down of Biden’s major loss

Oh yeah, the 120 yr olds.. wrong there too. Clerical error.

Here is a link to all the major debunked fraud claims.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/nine-election-fraud-claims-none-credible/

Claim: “Serious ‘chain of custody’ breakdowns. Invalid residential addresses. Record numbers of dead people voting. Ballots in pristine condition without creases, that is, they had not been mailed in envelopes as required by law.”

Facts: This claim is both vague and broad.

We’ve already addressed more specific allegations that ballots were cast on behalf of deceased voters in Pennsylvania. In one story, we explained that experts say there are some cases in each election in which a relatively small number of people die in the period between when they send in a mail-in ballot and Election Day. While there may be some instances of fraud, experts told us that the scale of it wouldn’t impact the outcome of an election.

In another story, we explained that a claim alleging more than 21,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania were dead had actually originated in a lawsuit brought by a conservative group that failed to convince a federal judge in October that its list of deceased voters was accurate.

CISA has also explained that this persistent allegation is largely unfounded.

“Taken out of context, some voter registration information may appear to suggest suspicious activity, but are actually innocuous clerical errors or the result of intended data practices,” the federal agency explained on its webpage debunking election rumors. “For example, election officials in some states use temporary placeholder data for registrants whose birth date or year is not known (e.g., 1/1/1900, which makes such registrants appear to be 120 years old). In other instances, a voting-age child with the same name and address as their deceased parent could be misinterpreted as a deceased voter or lead to clerical errors.”

Again, these kind of chain mail style rumors/allegations only work with people who aren't intellectually curious to verify what they can.

 

[RobF]

Yep, it's ultimately bunk. I've watched several versions of those videos and none of them show much of anything nefarious. It was always a bunk claim from the get go.

AP had a good write up on that one: https://apnews.com/article/election...social-media-e9a73462e39e7aa39683f0f582a6659e

Of course, it doesn't really need a write up to debunk it. Because the idea that someone is going to get observers to leave so they're not seen committing a crime while they're also being constantly filmed is so dumb only someone truly desperate to believe it is going to fall for it.

 

[jitss617]

So post the transcripts. There are no credible testimonies to massive voter fraud, as you say there are. So if you have them, post the transcripts. Not a story from a website, the actual transcripts.

I posted that there are 81 cases.. read up

 

[wardorican]

Witness under oath.. pay attention

Which court cases called witnesses?

The Trump Campaign simply used these deluded folks to put on a media campaign, they didn't use any of them for court cases, because they know they won't hold up to any level of scrutiny.

 

[wardorican]

So you think he’s lying lol ok

It's certainly possible.

 

[jitss617]

Oh yeah, the 120 yr olds.. wrong there too. Clerical error.

Here is a link to all the major debunked fraud claims.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/nine-election-fraud-claims-none-credible/



Again, these kind of chain mail style rumors/allegations only work with people who aren't intellectually curious to verify what they can.

Lol that fact checker suffers from major tds check out her Twitter hah Saranac Hale Spencer

 

[Goatman saint]

Trumps message was simply a kangaroo court of firing up the public for donations and the odd chance that someone he appointed into the judiciary would violate every ethic and moral code and go along with it.
Here’s the key thing. His lawyers, used loosely, were going around and publicly preaching fraud and such. But when they got into a court, and were subject to the rules of court, notice how their verbiage changed completely. If they actually had the evidence they said they did, would they have changed how they worded everything once they got into a court setting? Doubtful.