Trump Indictment ( includes NY AG and Fed documents case ) (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Former President D. Trump has been indicted by a New York Grand Jury. There will be much to talk about on this topic because this is just the first step in a lengthy process.
Possibly it is worthy of its own thread here rather than posting about Trump's indictment in already existing threads?
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This 3/31/23 story might get the ball rolling....
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Manhattan’s DA wanted a Friday Trump arrest. Trump’s team said no.

Secret Service needed more time to prepare, according to the ex-president’s legal team.

www.yahoo.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Wtf? This is crazy. The judge just unsealed this today. It's no wonder all the partisan Democrats want her off the case. Jack Smith doesn't want certain things like this revealed.

 

[efil4]

just read that.

and put this just below SFLs "breaking news" lolol.

Reminding all who Trump truly is. Its not a "patriot" by any means.

 

[efil4]

Wtf? This is crazy. The judge just unsealed this today. It's no wonder all the partisan Democrats want her off the case. Jack Smith doesn't want certain things like this revealed.

did all her musings also come with a neat Memorial Day casserole recipe?

Or do you have to sign up for email/X notifications to get that?

 

[superchuck500]

Wtf? This is crazy. The judge just unsealed this today. It's no wonder all the partisan Democrats want her off the case. Jack Smith doesn't want certain things like this revealed.

Once again, I urge you to resist parroting Julie Kelly because she has no experience in anything and doesn't know how anything works.

I can tell you 100% from having worked in cases involving warrant execution that there is a whole set of planning documents. They always have to include use of force instructions and they always have to have a medical contingency plan. They were executing a warrant and there are standard operating procedures that they have to follow by policy - they don't say "well this is Mar-a-Lago so we don't have to follow our procedures."

And yes, it is entirely expected that they would have to plan to engage with Secret Service, which has Trump under protection detail. "Engage" does not mean "confront".

Seriously - stop it with this person. She's wildly ignorant.

 

[SaintForLife]

Once again, I urge you to resist parroting Julie Kelly because she has no experience in anything and doesn't know how anything works.

I can tell you 100% from having worked in cases involving warrant execution that there is a whole set of planning documents. They always have to include use of force instructions and they always have to have a medical contingency plan. They were executing a warrant and there are standard operating procedures that they have to follow by policy - they don't say "well this is Mar-a-Lago so we don't have to follow our procedures."

And yes, it is entirely expected that they would have to plan to engage with Secret Service, which has Trump under protection detail. "Engage" does not mean "confront".

Seriously - stop it with this person. She's wildly ignorant.

Oh please. You are going to try to claim that authorizing deadly force for the raid of a former President was just the normal procedure? That's beyond ridiculous.

 

[coldseat]

Oh please. You are going to try to claim that authorizing deadly force for the raid of a former President was just the normal procedure? That's beyond ridiculous.

What's the bid deal? They were doing a raid.

Literally nothing to see here.

 

[SaintForLife]

Once again, I urge you to resist parroting Julie Kelly because she has no experience in anything and doesn't know how anything works.

I can tell you 100% from having worked in cases involving warrant execution that there is a whole set of planning documents. They always have to include use of force instructions and they always have to have a medical contingency plan. They were executing a warrant and there are standard operating procedures that they have to follow by policy - they don't say "well this is Mar-a-Lago so we don't have to follow our procedures."

And yes, it is entirely expected that they would have to plan to engage with Secret Service, which has Trump under protection detail. "Engage" does not mean "confront".

Seriously - stop it with this person. She's wildly ignorant.

You shouldn't be lecturing people about what to post. Do you remember when you posted this about the Trump bloodbath which was obviously taken out of context?

Thread 'Trump: “If I don’t get elected it’s gonna be a bloodbath for the country”' https://madaboutpolitics.com/thread...gonna-be-a-bloodbath-for-the-country”.301238/

 

[efil4]

Oh please. You are going to try to claim that authorizing deadly force for the raid of a former President was just the normal procedure? That's beyond ridiculous.

its a raid.

They had no idea who was on the premises ( hence the asking "Guest relations" for a manifest of the guests ) and you have no idea who was present moments prior to the execution of the warrant.

Her hyperbole has got your panties in a wad.

Calm down, do some research and you will find that its common for law enforcement to issue guidelines. Thats what keeps them out of trouble.

 

[superchuck500]

Oh please. You are going to try to claim that authorizing deadly force for the raid of a former President was just the normal procedure? That's beyond ridiculous.

Did you know that law enforcement is always authorized to use deadly force? Having a use of force statement is required in the warrant execution package. Stating that use of "deadly force may be used when necessary" means that deadly force may be used when the circumstances provided for under the law allow it . . . in other words, when the officer has objectively reasonable fear of death or threat of death to himself/herself, a fellow officer, or a member of the adjacent public.

This is simply a recitation of standard, existing law. Not allowing it would require some exception and mean that if some rogue Mar-a-Lago employee decided to Rambo them, they couldn't respond. Is that would you think should have been the rule?

This is standard stuff.

 

[superchuck500]

You shouldn't be lecturing people about what to post. Do you remember when you posted this about the Trump bloodbath which was obviously taken out of context?

Thread 'Trump: “If I don’t get elected it’s gonna be a bloodbath for the country”' https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/trump-“if-i-don’t-get-elected-it’s-gonna-be-a-bloodbath-for-the-country”.301238/

Yes, and I'll happily say right now that was out of context. I don't like that he uses that kind of rhetoric given his other violent references, but I admit that it wasn't what it appeared to be and I should have investigated further.

But actually I'm not lecturing you on what to post, coming from your own mind and interpretation - I'm telling you that this person that you post on here from time to time is a totally bunk source. She doesn't know what she's talking about and she has no background to assist her in interpreting events properly . . . and she's so quick to look for the hot take to post online, that it's a perfect cocktail to make for a highly unreliable source.

Fair enough?

 

[efil4]

"...FBI 19 will engage with USSC POCs per existing liaison relationships"

Do you even know that POCs are? ( ill help you- its Point of Contact- aka the liaison officer that coordinates with other federal agencies )

how in the world can you, a literate adult, think that the word "engage" was in any way, shape or form, a green light to enter into confrontation with US Secret Service after reading that line?!?!?!?!

 

[DaveXA]

Oh please. You are going to try to claim that authorizing deadly force for the raid of a former President was just the normal procedure? That's beyond ridiculous.

What she posted is actually SOP for raids like that. I mean, this is classic telling us she doesn't know sheet without actually telling us.

 

[DaveXA]

"...FBI 19 will engage with USSC POCs per existing liaison relationships"

Do you even know that POCs are?

how in the world can you, a literate adult, think that the word "engage" was in any way, shape or form, a green light to enter into confrontation with US Secret Service after reading that line?!?!?!?!

I guess s/he's an illiterate idiot, which would explain a lot.

 

[DaveXA]

Wtf? This is crazy. The judge just unsealed this today. It's no wonder all the partisan Democrats want her off the case. Jack Smith doesn't want certain things like this revealed.

You keep posting this idiot's ignorant blathering, what does that say about you?

 

[SaintForLife]

Did you know that law enforcement is always authorized to use deadly force? Having a use of force statement is required in the warrant execution package. Stating that use of "deadly force may be used when necessary" means that deadly force may be used when the circumstances provided for under the law allow it . . . in other words, when the officer has objectively reasonable fear of death or threat of death to himself/herself, a fellow officer, or a member of the adjacent public.

This is simply a recitation of standard, existing law. Not allowing it would require some exception and mean that if some rogue Mar-a-Lago employee decided to Rambo them, they couldn't respond. Is that would you think should have been the rule?

This is standard stuff.

How often is former President raided at all much less by his political opponent? This has never happened before right so it's not the norm. To act as if this was all business as usual is hard to believe.

Jack Smith admitted to tampering with the evidence.

Why did they make references about engaging Trump's secret service?

 

[efil4]

How often is former President raided at all much less by his political opponent? This has never happened before right so it's not the norm. To act as if this was all business as usual is hard to believe.

Jack Smith admitted to tampering with the evidence.

Why did they make references about engaging Trump's secret service?

Biden didnt raid Mar a Lago.

Biden didnt order the raid

And i explained the "engage" ( as in coordinate with US Secret Service Point of Contact - on site ) verbiage above- your inability to comprehend context is directly related to your fervor for conspiracy theories. Im so very sorry that your neurological pathways for common sense and logic are completely rewired.

 

[superchuck500]

How often is former President raided at all much less by his political opponent? This has never happened before right so it's not the norm. To act as if this was all business as usual is hard to believe.

Jack Smith admitted to tampering with the evidence.

Why did they make references about engaging Trump's secret service?

Because they’re going to be there? USSS is a fellow federal law enforcement agency. Is this not obvious to you?

What do you think “engaging” means in this context?

 

[MT15]

What a horrible idiot.