Trump Indictment ( includes NY AG and Fed documents case ) (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Former President D. Trump has been indicted by a New York Grand Jury. There will be much to talk about on this topic because this is just the first step in a lengthy process.
Possibly it is worthy of its own thread here rather than posting about Trump's indictment in already existing threads?
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This 3/31/23 story might get the ball rolling....
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Manhattan’s DA wanted a Friday Trump arrest. Trump’s team said no.

Secret Service needed more time to prepare, according to the ex-president’s legal team.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

NY judge issues gag order on Trump in hush money trial | CNN Politics

A New York judge has imposed a gag order on Donald Trump, limiting the former president from making statements about potential witnesses in the upcoming criminal trial relating to hush money payments.

www.cnn.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

Being on Trump's legal, campaign or PR team has to be beyond exhausting
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A day after a New York judge ruled that Donald Trump’s hush money trial could go ahead as planned on Monday 15 April, the Republican presidential candidate attacked both the justice and his daughter on Truth Social, accusing them of political bias.

And fox is going on how trump respects the court.

 

[fooferdoggie]

NY judge issues gag order on Trump in hush money trial | CNN Politics

A New York judge has imposed a gag order on Donald Trump, limiting the former president from making statements about potential witnesses in the upcoming criminal trial relating to hush money payments.

www.cnn.com

so trump will appeal it and it wont do anything because no one will enforce it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Apolitical commentator and regular guest on Fox Business suggested on air that Donald Trump should sue New York Attorney General Letitia James for "sex and race discrimination."

Deroy Murdock made the comments during a discussion regarding a New York appeals court agreeing to delay the collection of Trump's $454 million civil fraud judgment — which was recently lowered to a bond of $175 million that he must turn over within 10 days from Monday while he appeals the verdict.

The judgment came after James filed a civil suit against Trump accusing him of filing fraudulent financial statements that inflated his his net worth in order to get more favorable bank transactions.

During the Fox segment on Tuesday, Murdock pointed to past comments James made in which she said she planned to go after the "too male, too pale, too stale" Trump administration.

"Now, you could talk about stale ideas, that's fine, but too male and too pale, that constitutes, basically, sex and race discrimination. So I think what President Trump ought to do is sue her based on the 1964 Civil Rights Act," Murdock said.......

MSN

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[fooferdoggie]

well this is all thats found and all it shows is he made a lot of money off it. but keep trying to defend the bible peddler.

Jon Stewart found to have overvalued his NYC home by 829%​

In 2014, Stewart sold his 6,280-square-foot Tribeca duplex to financier Parag Pande for $17.5 million. The property’s asking price at that time is not available in listing records.
But according to 2013-2014 assessor records obtained by The Post, the property was market-valued at only $1.882 million. The actual assessor valuation was even lower, at $847,174.
Records also show that Stewart paid significantly lower property taxes, which were calculated based on that market value price.

 

[efil4]

well this is all thats found and all it shows is he made a lot of money off it. but keep trying to defend the bible peddler.

Jon Stewart found to have overvalued his NYC home by 829%​

In 2014, Stewart sold his 6,280-square-foot Tribeca duplex to financier Parag Pande for $17.5 million. The property’s asking price at that time is not available in listing records.
But according to 2013-2014 assessor records obtained by The Post, the property was market-valued at only $1.882 million. The actual assessor valuation was even lower, at $847,174.
Records also show that Stewart paid significantly lower property taxes, which were calculated based on that market value price.

LOL he so dumb. Jon Stewart SOLD his property for $17.5mm, he didnt VALUE it in hopes of obtaining a loan at $17.5mm "

another instance of SFL running with his laces tied together. At some point you would think he would get tired of falling flat on his face.

But he dont. And i enjoy it.

 

[fooferdoggie]

LOL he so dumb. Jon Stewart SOLD his property for $17.5mm, he didnt VALUE it in hopes of obtaining a loan at $17.5mm "

another instance of SFL running with his laces tied together. At some point you would think he would get tired of falling flat on his face.

But he dont. And i enjoy it.

he picks the worst sources.

 

[DaveXA]

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[MT15]

he picks the worst sources.

Yeah, and one could be forgiven for thinking the NYPost is a valid source the first time. But by now anyone who is honestly looking for valid news should know better than to even look at that rag. Their business model is “just make shirt up to get clicks”.

 

[MT15]

Can you explain the fraud involved here? Do you have another source that isn’t crap?

 

[FullMonte]

LOL he so dumb. Jon Stewart SOLD his property for $17.5mm, he didnt VALUE it in hopes of obtaining a loan at $17.5mm "

Please...that's not even the point...If Trump had filed a financial document claiming his triplex apartment was worth $1.5 billion, he wouldn't be facing the problems he is. What he THINKS the property is worth is not the issue. It's the fact that he claimed his apartment was three times the size it was.

Had Steward sold his home for $17.5 million because he lied to the buyer and told them that it was twice as big as it actually is, we'd have a valid comparison.

 

[DaveXA]

Please...that's not even the point...If Trump had filed a financial document claiming his triplex apartment was worth $1.5 billion, he wouldn't be facing the problems he is. What he THINKS the property is worth is not the issue. It's the fact that he claimed his apartment was three times the size it was.

Had Steward sold his home for $17.5 million because he lied to the buyer and told them that it was twice as big as it actually is, we'd have a valid comparison.

Yeah, some people can't be bothered with pesky facts. It's one nonsensical tweet after another from that guy.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The New York Post made the curious decision to promote Tim Pool’s laughably false accusation that Jon Stewart committed some sort of fraud regarding the 2014 sale of his Manhattan penthouse, amplifying the notorious right-wing troll’s claim to the point where Stewart’s name trended on X, formerly Twitter.

The kerfuffle arose from Stewart’s comments on Monday’s episode of The Daily Show, in which he blasted commentators who defended former President Donald Trump in the wake of his $454 million NY civil fraud judgment, seeming particularly incensed at Shark Tank’s Kevin O’Leary for claiming Trump’s overvaluations were “victimless.” Stewart excoriating O’Leary for his “f*cking entitled arrogance” and played clips of him getting mad at entrepreneurs on Shark Tank who overvalued their businesses.

Pool tweeted two screenshots in a post on Tuesday: the headline from a Nov. 7, 2014 article in The New York Times about the $17.5 million sale of Stewart’s “sophisticated penthouse at 161 Hudson Street, configured as a duplex loft with 2,000 square feet of outdoor options and nearly 6,000 square feet of interior space;” and an image that appeared to be from the New York property appraiser’s records.

“Did [Stewart] commit fraud when he sold his penthouse for $17.5M? NY listed its market value at $1.8M [and assessed value] at around 800k,” wrote Pool, before adding some apparent concern trolling asking whom did Stewart “defraud??” and claiming that he was “SHOCKED.”

The Post breathlessly picked up this tweet in an article by Mary K. Jacob labeled as a “REAL ESTATE EXCLUSIVE” and headlined “Jon Stewart found to have overvalued his NYC home by 829% after slamming Trump’s civil case as ‘not victimless.'”

“Jon Stewart is facing online backlash after the comedian opined on air this week that Donald Trump’s civil real estate case overvaluing his properties was ‘not victimless’ — when it turns out the price of a previous home sale finds Stewart doing the exact same thing, The Post has learned,” wrote Jacob. “t didn’t take long for internet sleuths to look into Stewart’s own property history, where it shows an overvaluation of his New York City penthouse by a staggering 829%, records confirmed by The Post show.”

Sigh.

In no way was this the “exact same thing.” It is simply not accurate to say Stewart “overvalued” his property “by a staggering 829%.”

What’s happening here is Pool, Jacob, and other critics attacking Stewart are conflating three different types of real estate values. Whether that’s being done through an innocent mistake or a deliberate effort to spread misinformation, we’ll leave it to the reader to decide, but they’re confusing 1) the actual market value of a property, or what someone would be willing to pay for it, 2) the property’s taxable value as assessed by a governmental agency property appraiser, and 3) documentation about a property’s value submitted to a lender for the purposes of securing a loan.

Trump got in trouble for committing fraud regarding that third category, the information the Trump Org submitted to lenders to secure loans. Among the misrepresentations, perhaps the most egregious was the “tripling of the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse,” which Judge Arthur Engoron noted in his scathing ruling was an undeniable and indefensible falsehood................

Perhaps the most ludicrous part of this whole article is that a NYC-based real estate reporter is apparently pretending a 6,000 square foot penthouse in Tribeca isn’t fairly sold for millions of dollars. Searching the Post’s own archives finds a Nov. 2014 article reporting that Stewart bought the condo in 2005 for $4.5 million. Selling that same property almost a decade later for $17.5 million isn’t outlandish for the Manhattan real estate market.

The Post does mount a half-hearted complaint on behalf of Stewart’s buyer, financier Parag Pande, who sold the condo for “a nearly 26% loss” in 2021. Besides the fact that this is when the city was climbing back from the pandemic, it still doesn’t justify the accusation that Stewart inflated the value by a “staggering 829%” or anything close to that.

Current real estate values in the area further drive home the point. Another 6,000 sq. ft. Tribeca penthouse not too far from the one Stewart owned is currently on the market for $24,450,000 (and has some absolutely lovely “chevron wood floors” and “a freestanding soaking tub facing the Empire State Building,” among other stunning views of the NYC skyline). Past sales in Stewart’s specific building show even the units that were half the size of his (and not on the penthouse level) still selling for millions of dollars..............

MSN

www.msn.com

NY Post Promotes Laughably Wrong Claim From Online Troll Accusing Jon Stewart of Fraudulently Overvaluing His Apartment

The New York Post made the curious decision to promote Tim Pool's laughably false accusation that Jon Stewart committed some sort of fraud regarding the 2014 sale of his Manhattan penthouse, amplifying the notorious right-wing troll's claim to the point where Stewart's name trended on The...

www.mediaite.com

 

[MT15]

SFL has been caught posting false stuff from NY Post multiple times. I myself have linked a story where the reporter at NY Post checked out a story, found out it was a lie, and was told by her editor to write it up anyway. She did but then resigned and told the truth. This is the NY Post’s SOP. They are like the National Enquirer. Yet SFL and Farb still post stories from the NY Post routinely. It’s willful at this point. They know there’s a great chance a NY Post story is false and they still post them.

 

[superchuck500]

Does anyone have any rational explanation for why Trump is so determined to attack the judges in these cases? It’s really stupid - and completely senseless. In the Stormy Daniels case, the judge didn’t bring the charges, the judge doesn’t prosecute Trump, and the judge doesn’t decide if Trump is guilty. The judge was simply assigned the case by the procedures at the clerk’s office.

But the judge does have a lot of latitude and will make rulings - it’s idiotic to attack the judge. Yet Trump does it in almost every instance. Does he think that by blasting the judge left and right, will make his followers convinced that the process is a sham? But what does that get him and is it worth the harm it’s likely to bring on himself in the meantime?

It’s just such a poor strategy.

 

[MT15]

I can think of some reasons: it perpetuates the myth that he is the victim of a rogue system of justice. It tears down our court system, so that when he needs to he can make radical changes, it signals to his base that he is a strong person who isn’t afraid and doesn’t have to play by the rules that everyone else has to follow, and his narcissistic personality disorder compels him to do so.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I can think of some reasons: it perpetuates the myth that he is the victim of a rogue system of justice. It tears down our court system, so that when he needs to he can make radical changes, it signals to his base that he is a strong person who isn’t afraid and doesn’t have to play by the rules that everyone else has to follow, and his narcissistic personality disorder compels him to do so.

I was going to say the same thing. He dares them to take steps to restore order so he can use that as a way to show how unfairly he is being treated.