Trump Indictment ( includes NY AG and Fed documents case ) (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Former President D. Trump has been indicted by a New York Grand Jury. There will be much to talk about on this topic because this is just the first step in a lengthy process.
Possibly it is worthy of its own thread here rather than posting about Trump's indictment in already existing threads?
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This 3/31/23 story might get the ball rolling....
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Manhattan’s DA wanted a Friday Trump arrest. Trump’s team said no.

Secret Service needed more time to prepare, according to the ex-president’s legal team.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Saintamaniac]

i don't know his normal feelings towards Trump.

Token comments against some of the things Trump has done. Mostly to feign not being completely in the tank. He was in between a rock and hard place given the violence against law enforcement. He knows his audience.

 

[CoolBrees]

Too bad Rush Limbaugh isn't alive to see this.

Actually check that. It is a great thing that fat, bloated, racist, pedo, bigot is dead.

I hope I never grow tired of dancing on that piece of shirt's grave

 

[MT15]

This is true:

 

[CoolBrees]

So I know this is unconstitutional. Does it bother anyone else that Trump's judge didn't?

Trump documents case judge made multiple errors in earlier trial

One error in the trial over his handling of classified documents potentially violated the defendant's constitutional rights and could have invalidated the proceedings, according to legal experts and a court transcript.

www.reuters.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

So I know this is unconstitutional. Does it bother anyone else that Trump's judge didn't?

Trump documents case judge made multiple errors in earlier trial

One error in the trial over his handling of classified documents potentially violated the defendant's constitutional rights and could have invalidated the proceedings, according to legal experts and a court transcript.

www.reuters.com

this person should never have been a judge. I am all for getting rid of her.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

So I know this is unconstitutional. Does it bother anyone else that Trump's judge didn't?

Trump documents case judge made multiple errors in earlier trial

One error in the trial over his handling of classified documents potentially violated the defendant's constitutional rights and could have invalidated the proceedings, according to legal experts and a court transcript.

www.reuters.com

Sure, but it's not the least bit surprising!

The sole reason that she's a judge at all is because she is a product of the Heritage Foundation. She meets all of their requirements for the bench: young and loyal to their extremist beliefs. Considering her professional experience, she wouldn't qualify as a lead prosecutor for your local DA office, much less a district court judge and yet, she's a Federal Judge. I'm certain she's very "popular" amongst her peers.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Sure, but it's not the least bit surprising!

The sole reason that she's a judge at all is because she is a product of the Heritage Foundation. She meets all of their requirements for the bench: young and loyal to their extremist beliefs. Considering her professional experience, she wouldn't qualify as a lead prosecutor for your local DA office, much less a district court judge and yet, she's a Federal Judge. I'm certain she's very "popular" amongst her peers.

yes that could cause a easy appeal for trump. it would be like trump claiming the judge is incompetent.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[MT15]

Chuck, I am reading some of the more reasoned members of Law Twitter, and they seem to think this order from the judge clearly shows she’s not up to the task of handling this case. They are coming down on the side of inexperience rather than bias.

But I would think that what Opening Arguments points to above and a footnote that somebody else pointed out that seems to invite a defense motion to throw the case out (IIRC) might indicate a rooting interest here.

Someone said she has shown her hand too early, and may have given Smith some options to deal with the situation.

What do you think?

 

[MT15]

Weissmann also thinks Cannon is once again effectively acting as a defense lawyer rather than a judge:

 

[UriUT]

Weissmann also thinks Cannon is once again effectively acting as a defense lawyer rather than a judge:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1688888746039562240.html

To understand Judge Cannon latest legal issues, here are some Venue/Grand Jury basics.
Grand Jury:
-you cannot use a grand jury to obtain evidence for a trial; it must be used to investigate new crimes or new people.
-in a widespread scheme, that is easy to satisfy, cont.
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-Not all people and crimes are typically indicted at once, so the grand jury can continue to investigate. This is common practice.
Venue:
-a grand jury can investigate crimes over which it may have jurisdiction.
-a grand jury does not always know in advance:
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where a crime occurred, if a crime occurred, or who committed it.
-so a grand jury can look at all that for possible crimes/criminals.
-venue is proper for a grand jury investigation in that district if any part of the possible crime occurred in the grand jury's district....
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--Or, in the case of the crime of obstruction of justice, if the obstructed investigation took place in the district where the grand jury is sitting.
-So that is why the MAL documents obstruction could be investigated in FLA or DC grand juries.

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PS: and this is why Judge Cannon's raising a bogus grand jury issue, without defense asking, is so worrisome (and further to that: the issue had been raised in far right media).

for those of us who have deleted/no accounts

 

[UriUT]

@openargs can't be any more direct in how Cannon is ruling to favor Trump. This can't be only incompetence.

Thread by @openargs on Thread Reader App

@openargs: The more I read Judge Aileen Cannon, FSW's order from this morning, the more absolutely crazy it seems, particularly paragraph 4. I've never seen a judge literally direct a defendant what to write in thei...…

threadreaderapp.com

But this... .isn't the first time Judge Cannon has swept in, unbidden, to help Team Trump.

Previously, when Trump tried to tie up the documents grand jury, Special Master Raymond Dearie entered a scheduling order that would have been VERY BAD for Trump. Remember, this was at a time Trump was howling that evidence was "planted" and also simultaneously that national security documents were his personal property. (Trump is still making the latter argument, as you know.) So what Special Master Dearie did was... ...order Trump to identify which materials he was arguing were planted. That would have also forced Trump to concede that the other materials seized were NOT in fact his property - which you might recognize as a key element of the 18 USC 793(e) criminal charge he now faces. b. A list of any specific items set forth in the Detailed Property Inventory that Plaintiff asserts were seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022, but as to which Plaintiff asserts that the Detailed Property Inventory’s description of contents or location within the Premises where the item was found is incorrect. c. A detailed list and description of any item that Plaintiff asserts was seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022, but is not listed in the Detailed Property Inventory. This submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness a..Judge Cannon swept in BEFORE TRUMP HAD TO BRIEF AN OBJECTION and overruled her own Special Master, setting a different schedule that (coincidentally) relived Trump of the burden of actually specifying which documents he had or didn't have.

 

[UriUT]

Very coincidental….

Check out this Post at https://post.news/@/gtconway3d/2Tj7AF5axSdQmZmaJyZBDSdvh3k

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Here's the latest story from the NewsMax point of view...
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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trump/2023/08/14/id/1130712/

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Here's the latest story from the MSNBC point of view....

MSNBC News - Breaking News and News Today | Latest News

MSNBC breaking news and the latest news for today. Get daily news from local news reporters and world news updates with live audio & video from our team.

www.msnbc.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

"The Perfect phone call".. lol. this dude is sick.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

"The Perfect phone call".. lol. this dude is sick.

Yes I laughed at that also.
Trump said about that now infamous phone call of his it was "my right".
Asking someone to "find" votes is not a "right"....it's a "wrong".

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Here's the latest story from the NewsMax point of view...
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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trump/2023/08/14/id/1130712/

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Here's the latest story from the MSNBC point of view....

MSNBC News - Breaking News and News Today | Latest News

MSNBC breaking news and the latest news for today. Get daily news from local news reporters and world news updates with live audio & video from our team.

www.msnbc.com

I thought that was a reasonable and unbiased article from Newsmax. Now I know why:

"Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission."

 

[MT15]

As if anyone actually believed Trump had declassified all those documents anyway: