Trump GA Indictment (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

I may be jumping the gun, but I thought we should probably keep the 3 major indictments in their separate threads.

And this Tweet reminded me that it looks like Monday could be the day.

 

[Eeyore]

He's been coloring really hard. He has the big box of crayons with many colors. So many colors. More colors than have ever been seen. The best colors. When you see the complete picture, you'll be amazed, and wonder why you didn't understand all along. Nobody can color like Trump. There's nothing like it.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Oh look, Trump is finally gonna unveil the fraud!

Am I the only one that thinks they very gleefully threw in the word "RIGGERS" at the end of that tweet and patted themselves on the back for being sneaky and clever?

 

[LA - L.A.]

No doubt that he put "riggers" in there as a dog whistle.

Nevermind, I see that I wasn't the only one.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Meadows strikes first...

Meadows trying to move Fulton County case to federal court | CNN Politics

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law.

www.cnn.com

 

[FullMonte]

I have a procedural question for the legal experts out there.

So, Mark Meadows was indicted in Georgia, but he was not indicted in the federal case. This appears to most people to be an indication that Meadows is cooperating with the federal case. Here is my question. If Meadows fully cooperated with federal prosecutors, and gave testimony that incriminated himself, can the federal prosecutors provide that testimony to the Georgia prosecutors to use in their case?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Meadows strikes first...

Meadows trying to move Fulton County case to federal court | CNN Politics

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law.

www.cnn.com

Meadows is charged with Count 1 (VIOLATION OF THE GEORGIA RICO (RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS) ACT, O.C.G.A. § 16-14-4c) which cites 161 actions that violate State law. Meadows name shows up in multiple Acts. within Count 1 alone.

Meadows is also charged with Count 28 (SOLICITATION OF VIOLATION OF OATH BY PUBLIC OFFICER, O.C.G.A. §§ 16-4-7 & 16-10-1). He and trump are the only 2 members of the accused Criminal Enterprise to be charged with Count 28.

These alleged crimes are specific to the State of Georgia and unless he can show that his duties allowed him to violate State laws, I don't understand how the Feds would have any jurisdiction.

 

[fooferdoggie]

He's been coloring really hard. He has the big box of crayons with many colors. So many colors. More colors than have ever been seen. The best colors. When you see the complete picture, you'll be amazed, and wonder why you didn't understand all along. Nobody can color like Trump. There's nothing like it.

I think it is because they have to translate the catchup splatters on the wall.

 

[fooferdoggie]

looks like the melter may be broke lets all get a gofundme going for him before he melts more.

 

[MT15]

Good point

 

[UriUT]

I understand Hillary was interviewed on the maddow show right before the indictment was announced. She must've had the best schadenfreude.

 

[MT15]

Okay - this could be fun. I will say 6’1.5” and 335 lbs.

 

[superchuck500]

Meadows is charged with Count 1 (VIOLATION OF THE GEORGIA RICO (RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS) ACT, O.C.G.A. § 16-14-4c) which cites 161 actions that violate State law. Meadows name shows up in multiple Acts. within Count 1 alone.

Meadows is also charged with Count 28 (SOLICITATION OF VIOLATION OF OATH BY PUBLIC OFFICER, O.C.G.A. §§ 16-4-7 & 16-10-1). He and trump are the only 2 members of the accused Criminal Enterprise to be charged with Count 28.

These alleged crimes are specific to the State of Georgia and unless he can show that his duties allowed him to violate State laws, I don't understand how the Feds would have any jurisdiction.

It’s federal officer removal under 28 USC 1442. It stems from federalism and supremacy clause origins but basically the idea is that where a state action (civil or criminal) against a federal “officer” arises from conduct taken “under the color of federal authority” and implicates a “colorable federal defense”, the case goes to federal court. The idea is that authorized federal conduct isn’t subject to state regulation - and a state cannot intervene or otherwise prosecute acts undertaken in the performance of federal duties.

The first case on this idea was McCullough v. Maryland, which many people remember from civics class, but a more common application relates to law enforcement. For example, if am FBI agent shoots a suspect during the course of a federal investigation, and the state in which it happens tries to charge the agent with a crime, the agent can remove the case to federal court and have the federal judge decide whether the agent has a federal defense to the charges - namely that the agent’s federal authority immunizes the agent from state prosecution.

It doesn’t matter that the charges arise under state law, what matters is whether the conduct at issue is under the authority of federal law and that authority gives the federal officer a defense.

Meadows won’t be the only one who does this. And the question for the federal court will be whether these acts were undertaken under the color of federal office or whether they were purely in the interest of Trump’s re-election, which was not an exercise under their federal office.

For some of the defendants, this is a closer call than for others. Georgia will challenge the removal with a motion for remand and the federal judge assigned to the case will have to decide. Note that even if the federal court “keeps” the case, the prosecution can still go forward to jury trial on the same charges - only that the jury will be drawn from the entire federal district and not only from Fulton County.

 

[superchuck500]

Okay - this could be fun. I will say 6’1.5” and 335 lbs.

Lol - I don’t think he weighs that much. For a man in his late 70s, that’s a lot.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Okay - this could be fun. I will say 6’1.5” and 335 lbs.

I also remember when he said Trump could live to be 200 years old

 

[MT15]

Lol - I don’t think he weighs that much. For a man in his late 70s, that’s a lot.

Well, I’ve seen some men that age heavier. One of the “perks” of working in health care, lol. I may be a bit high, though.

Saw two men drop an elderly corpse one time that had to be well over 300 lbs. Lots of times the lab is close to the morgue and when you work nights one of the duties is signing bodies in and out of the morgue. But I digress.

 

[superchuck500]

Well, I’ve seen some men that age heavier. One of the “perks” of working in health care, lol. I may be a bit high, though.

Saw two men drop an elderly corpse one time that had to be well over 300 lbs. Lots of times the lab is close to the morgue and when you work nights one of the duties is signing bodies in and out of the morgue. But I digress.

I’ll defer to your experience! I really have no idea - my frame of reference for 300 pound men is the NFL.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Okay - this could be fun. I will say 6’1.5” and 335 lbs.

6'0.5", 302 pounds. Who is keeping track of these? lol

 

[where yat brah]

6'2" and 340 lbs