Trump GA Indictment (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

I may be jumping the gun, but I thought we should probably keep the 3 major indictments in their separate threads.

And this Tweet reminded me that it looks like Monday could be the day.

 

[superchuck500]

6'2" 275

 

[CoolBrees]

6' 360

He's a D cup for jeebus sakes.

And I hope Rudy Giuliani ends up a houseless person after jail. Let him feel that for a minute.

 

[SFIDC3]

6'2" 270lbs....no way he is 300....

 

[coldseat]

6'-1", 285 lbs

Looks like he may have lost a little weight since he was in office from recent pictures.

 

[samiam5211]

Have we ever seen his legs?

I'm 5'11 and was pushing 300 a few years back. I didn't look much fatter than he does, and he's taller, but I have thick legs.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Yes, Supremacy Clause immunity (when it applies as a legal result) means that conduct that would be illegal under state law is immunized from state prosecution. The example of the federal law enforcement agent killing a suspect illustrates this point - it might be an unlawful homicide under state law, but the state can't prosecute the agent. The agent has immunity.

Completely agree

So the questions are indeed whether the conduct was (1) performed by a qualified federal officer acting in the scope of that office, (2) the kind of conduct that falls generally within that officer's authority, and (3) raises a federal defense.

I think that Clark, for example, can raise this defense because the indictment refers to him only in his actions as a DOJ official. The allegations in Count 22 are that he wrote some internal emails at DOJ and had some internal discussions at DOJ about the election. I think there's certainly room for the prosecution to argue that those activities were not within the scope of DOJ's authority regarding Georgia's election, but at least Clark can say that he's alleged to have been acting as DOJ.

Agreed, Clark would have stronger standing in getting his charges moved from the state.

Trump and the private attorneys don't have that kind of set-up. Trump could argue that it was because he was president but I think that's pretty easy to defeat.

He lost similar claims in NY with the Daniels and Carrol cases.

Meadows is in an unusual situation because he's White House chief of staff. But if Trump's conduct regarding challenging the election came from Trump the candidate not Trump the president, it's hard to see how Meadows's conduct is somehow within the color of his federal authority as White House chief of staff.

Meadows claim is weak at best because he went to GA and made specific actions that were outside of his duties as Chief of Staff.

It's going to be interesting. And I imagine that these federal officer removal issues (and perhaps Supremacy Clause immunity defenses) are going to go the 11th Circuit and perhaps to the SCOTUS.

Count 1 (RICCO) is a very bold charge, especially for those that were in Federal positions, and I agree that particular charge has the stronger chance of being challenged. The RICCO charge will completely fall apart if trump is removed that count.

 

[insidejob]

6'3" 333 lbs.

 

[zztop]

6'3" 333 lbs.

My thought was about the same

also in other news:

 

[bdb13]

6'-1", 285 lbs

Looks like he may have lost a little weight since he was in office from recent pictures.

6'1.5" 285 lb.. I think that's the equivalent of going a dollar higher than the other person on Price is Right LOL.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I think that Clark, for example, can raise this defense because the indictment refers to him only in his actions as a DOJ official. The allegations in Count 22 are that he wrote some internal emails at DOJ and had some internal discussions at DOJ about the election. I think there's certainly room for the prosecution to argue that those activities were not within the scope of DOJ's authority regarding Georgia's election, but at least Clark can say that he's alleged to have been acting as DOJ. Trump and the private attorneys don't have that kind of set-up. Trump could argue that it was because he was president but I think that's pretty easy to defeat.

But does it actually apply to Clark? What he was attempting to do was a duty assigned to the Attorney General, who would not send the letter. It wasn't in the scope of his position, which is why there was the short-lived plot to oust Donoghue as acting AG.

 

[FullMonte]

Well..someone else already guessed what I think his weight is, but Inthink he’s a bit taller.
6’1”, 270

 

[superchuck500]

But does it actually apply to Clark? What he was attempting to do was a duty assigned to the Attorney General, who would not send the letter. It wasn't in the scope of his position, which is why there was the short-lived plot to oust Donoghue as acting AG.

The Clark allegations in the GA indictment relate solely to internal DOJ communications and discussions (Count 22). It seems a real reach to me that a state could have criminal jurisdiction over internal affairs at a federal agency even if the state alleges the conduct was part of a broader criminal conspiracy. The letter wasn’t sent, so it was an internal deliberation. If it was criminal, I would think that’s for the feds to decide.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[MT15]

I don’t know how we will pick the winner - but you guys can come up with some rules if you want. Maybe closest without going over, like Price Is Right? And two winners, one for height and one for weight? Also, winners donate $10 to MAP?

 

[CoolBrees]

I just wanted to be the one who said he was the fattest.

 

[Taurus]

6' 1" 265

He seems to be off his feed lately

 

[LA - L.A.]

8 feet tall (or 63 axe handles), 300 lbs and a 7 foot stride


Seriously tough, 6' 2" and 360 pounds.

 

[MT15]

I’m thinking cuddles is probably pretty close. I think I went too heavy.