The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (4 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    It's James O'Keefe right? And if not it's still the same freakin' thing.

    It is. I remember him best from when he was arrested for trying to break into Mary Landrieu's office in the federal building here in New Orleans to tap her phones and , just like anyone else who tried to break into an office in a federal building to tap the phone of a U.S. Senator, received only a slap on the wrist.

    Conservative filmmaker James O’Keefe was sentenced to three years of probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine after he pleaded guilty on Wednesday to misdemeanor charges stemming from his involvement in a break-in at Sen. Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) office.

    In January, O’Keefe and three others were arrested by federal authorities at Landrieu’s office on allegations of phone-tampering.

    Prosecutors initially said they caught four individuals in the process of committing a felony, but the charges were later reduced to misdemeanors.

    O’Keefe got the toughest sentence. His co-defendants, Stan Dai, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan, each got two years of probation, 75 hours of community service and the same fine as O’Keefe.

     


    So Trump's obviously just going to keep doing this.. there is no statement coming about accepting the election results.

    Are there enough Republicans left who give any semblance of a shirt over this stuff for the party to splinter at all, or is this just it? Is it that the deal was actually completed four years ago and that basically half the country signed up for the lifetime package which includes supporting (or shoulder shrugging in the general direction of, whichever) whatever crazy shirt this guy says next?

    That was rhetorical, I suppose..
     
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    So Trump's obviously just going to keep doing this.. there is no statement coming about accepting the election results.

    Are there enough Republicans left who give any semblance of a shirt over this stuff for the party to splinter at all, or is this just it? Is it that the deal was actually completed four years ago and that basically half the country signed up for the lifetime package which includes supporting (or shoulder shrugging in the general direction of, whichever) whatever crazy shirt this guy says next?

    That was rhetorical, I suppose..


    Yeah, I'm just resigned to letting the courts and states handle and certify the results and move on from there. It's clear Trump is going to continue his charade as long as he can. Not seeing what else can be done short of that.
     
    I've actually been following the OANN Trump information circle, and it's hilarious. Trump Tweets something that he credits to OANN. They then almost immediately run an article that quotes the Presidents Tweet as a source of their reporting.

    Whose on first? That's right. What's right? No what's on second. I don't know.

    Third base!

     
    Ikr, it's like they're in the twilight zone or something. I don't get it.
    In regards to the Senate races in Georgia, seems like it has the potential to be a really bad strategy to all fall in line behind Trump and his messaging, but I guess we'll see.
     
    In regards to the Senate races in Georgia, seems like it has the potential to be a really bad strategy to all fall in line behind Trump and his messaging, but I guess we'll see.

    I don't know, that's a tougher call. A lot of people in Georgia like the chaos. It's stupid, but it is what it is.
     
    In regards to the Senate races in Georgia, seems like it has the potential to be a really bad strategy to all fall in line behind Trump and his messaging, but I guess we'll see.
    It may very well work, but seems like there's gotta be some inherent risk in going along with the idea that elections are rigged against you, logically would seem to discourage participation on your side... though not a lot of logic to all of this stuff so who knows how it plays in practice.
     


    Those comments by all those people after his tweet though :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
    This country is in a pitifully sad state and I have no idea how it will ever get better after all this shirt that trump and his cronies have stirred up. Even after he leaves and (hopefully) twitter bans him for life, he has done so much harm that it could take decades to restore faith in this democracy
     


    So Trump's obviously just going to keep doing this.. there is no statement coming about accepting the election results.

    Are there enough Republicans left who give any semblance of a shirt over this stuff for the party to splinter at all, or is this just it? Is it that the deal was actually completed four years ago and that basically half the country signed up for the lifetime package which includes supporting (or shoulder shrugging in the general direction of, whichever) whatever crazy shirt this guy says next?

    That was rhetorical, I suppose..



    Dominion Voting Systems, which makes software that local governments around the nation use to help run their elections, is now at the center of baseless claims that “software glitches” led to mistakes in vote tallies in Michigan and Georgia last week.

    The Dominion software was used in only two of the five counties that had problems in Michigan and Georgia, and in every instance there was a detailed explanation for what had happened. In all of the cases, software did not affect the vote counts.

    In the two Michigan counties that had mistakes, the inaccuracies were because of human errors, not software problems, according to the Michigan Department of State, county officials and election-security experts. Only one of the two Michigan counties used Dominion software.

    Issues in three Georgia counties had other explanations. In one county, an apparent problem with Dominion software delayed officials’ reporting of the vote tallies, but did not affect the actual vote count. In two other counties, a separate company’s software slowed poll workers’ ability to check-in voters.
    “Many of the claims being asserted about Dominion and questionable voting technology is misinformation at best and, in many cases, they’re outright disinformation,” said Edward Perez, an election-technology expert at the OSET Institute, a nonprofit that studies voting infrastructure. “I’m not aware of any evidence of specific things or defects in Dominion software that would lead one to believe that votes had been recorded or counted incorrectly.


    In Antrim County, Michigan, unofficial results initially showed President-elect Joe Biden beating Trump by roughly 3,000 votes. But that didn’t seem right in the Republican stronghold, so election workers checked again.

    It turned out that they had configured the Dominion ballot scanners and reporting software with slightly different versions of the ballot, which meant that the votes were counted correctly but that they were reported incorrectly, state officials said. The correct tallies showed Trump beat Biden by roughly 2,500 votes in the county.

    In Oakland County, Michigan, election officials also spotted an error after they first reported the unofficial counts. They realized they had mistakenly counted votes from the city of Rochester Hills twice, according to the Michigan Department of State.
    The revised tallies showed that an incumbent Republican county commissioner had kept his seat, not lost it. Oakland County used software from a company called Hart InterCivic, not Dominion, though the software was not at fault.


    Both errors, which appeared to go against Republicans, spurred conspiracy theories in conservative corners of the internet. That drew a response from Tina Barton, the Republican clerk in Rochester Hills, the city that had its votes briefly counted twice.
     


    From my non-lawyer eyes it seems difficult to win these cases of electoral fraud when your attorneys aren't alleging cases of electoral fraud.


    Contempt of court and possible debarrment my be motivational factors? Any of our lawyers will chime in?

    Not sure...
     

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