The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (11 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    That is hilarious. And while I'm here, y'all take a look at the guy who discovered "voter fraud" in MI. This is his rationale for what constitutes fraud:



    In the actual tech world, ONT stands for Optical Network Terminal. Over the network would be OTN, which isn't even ONT backwards and why am I even trying to logic this out goodbye
     
    His statement, though, is complete gaslighting. Down is up and up is down.



    What forking reality are these people living it?!?

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    That was me in my senior Trig class explaining my work to my teacher in 1989. And i was probably high.

    I read this comment first and couldn't even begin to picture what this would sound like. Then I watched the video and understood it perfectly.
     
    The nimrods enabling him are worse than he is, and bothers me just as much. People can't ever read past the slop they read on FB or wherever they get their godemperorTrump news of the day.

    while I'm glad Biden won and the pendulum swung back to normal somewhat. 74 million people basically voted for something akin to


    Idiocracy was ahead of it's time (came out in 2006)
     
    So, Mitch seems to be telling R senators to “stand down” on Jan. 6. About damn time.


    Well, this appears to be the weakest private call ever. Also of note, Putin called to congratulate Biden before McConnell announced Biden is president elect Biden in the Senate. Coincidence that Moscow Mitch waited for Putin before acknowledging reality?
     
    Well, this appears to be the weakest private call ever. Also of note, Putin called to congratulate Biden before McConnell announced Biden is president elect Biden in the Senate. Coincidence that Moscow Mitch waited for Putin before acknowledging reality?
    :hmm:
     
    Trump isn't going to concede for multiple reasons.

    First, and most importantly, his fragile ego and Daddy issues won't allow it. He was always treated like an idiot by Fred (he is) and winning was always emphasized. To lose is to prove Fred right. His ego can't take that, which is why he always has to claim fraud whenever he loses at anything.

    Second, this is a cash cow for him. They have raised well over 200 million and spent 8 million. He's never seen margins like this from any business venture. As long as money is coming in he'll keep the "we've not yet begun to fight" nonsense going.

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    The third reason is that he's going to jail, or at least will face many legal hurdles in avoiding jail. As soon as he's out the White House door, he'll be indicted.
     
    one final hail mary?
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    With the Supreme Court's rejection of the Texas lawsuit, it's over, right?

    Not so fast. Trump has one more card to play, depending on whether Republicans in Congress are more loyal to Trump than they are to the country.

    After the electoral votes are cast, they have to be accepted by Congress.

    By law, the House and Senate meet together on Jan. 6, and if any state's ballots are challenged by one member of the House and Senate, the chambers must meet separately and vote on the challenge.

    Given that 126 members of Congress signed on to the Texas lawsuit to overturn Joe Biden's victory, and that many GOP senators have not accepted Biden as the president-elect, some states are going to be challenged.

    Here's where things get interesting. The controlling federal law, the Electoral Count Act (ECA), is more than 100 years old, opaque and has never been fully used. It may not even be constitutional............

    Now comes the endgame maneuver. The Constitution specifies that if there is no Electoral College winner, the Senate chooses the vice president and the House picks the president. The Senate, claiming that there is no Electoral College result, picks Pence.

    Overturning an election? Why not? The raw hatred and polarization in American politics have shown that no precedent or law is safe. Ask Merrick Garland.

    And it won't be a Biden-Pence administration. The Democratic majority in the House can't pick Biden because when picking a president, the House votes by state delegation, and the Republicans control more House delegations.

    The House Democrats will never let that vote happen. Which means we won't have a president. If we don't have a president by noon on Jan. 20, the law of presidential succession comes into play.

    But who is next in line of succession? Republicans will claim that the presidency is empty, but the Senate did its job and picked Pence as vice president. The Democrats will say the whole process was illegal and unconstitutional, and that the next in line is therefore the House Speaker, presumably Nancy Pelosi..................



    No, Biden hasn't won yet — one more nightmare scenario (msn.com)
     
    This article appears to be what some lawyers are calling “fear porn”.

    McConnell has told the Senate R caucus not to join with the House Rs. Even if a Senator goes rogue, and defies Mitch, it would be defeated. More and more R senators have recognized the result of the election, including my deep red state’s two senators. So, this is just a bit over the top, imo.
     
    one final hail mary?
    ========================
    With the Supreme Court's rejection of the Texas lawsuit, it's over, right?

    Not so fast. Trump has one more card to play, depending on whether Republicans in Congress are more loyal to Trump than they are to the country.

    After the electoral votes are cast, they have to be accepted by Congress.

    By law, the House and Senate meet together on Jan. 6, and if any state's ballots are challenged by one member of the House and Senate, the chambers must meet separately and vote on the challenge.

    Given that 126 members of Congress signed on to the Texas lawsuit to overturn Joe Biden's victory, and that many GOP senators have not accepted Biden as the president-elect, some states are going to be challenged.

    Here's where things get interesting. The controlling federal law, the Electoral Count Act (ECA), is more than 100 years old, opaque and has never been fully used. It may not even be constitutional............

    Now comes the endgame maneuver. The Constitution specifies that if there is no Electoral College winner, the Senate chooses the vice president and the House picks the president. The Senate, claiming that there is no Electoral College result, picks Pence.

    Overturning an election? Why not? The raw hatred and polarization in American politics have shown that no precedent or law is safe. Ask Merrick Garland.

    And it won't be a Biden-Pence administration. The Democratic majority in the House can't pick Biden because when picking a president, the House votes by state delegation, and the Republicans control more House delegations.

    The House Democrats will never let that vote happen. Which means we won't have a president. If we don't have a president by noon on Jan. 20, the law of presidential succession comes into play.

    But who is next in line of succession? Republicans will claim that the presidency is empty, but the Senate did its job and picked Pence as vice president. The Democrats will say the whole process was illegal and unconstitutional, and that the next in line is therefore the House Speaker, presumably Nancy Pelosi..................



    No, Biden hasn't won yet — one more nightmare scenario (msn.com)
    I posted a twitter thread earlier in this thread about how impossible that scenario really is. It acknowledged that there is a very, very slim possibility of what the article you linked is suggesting but basically posited that the farthest things will go in the House and Senate (if there are objections at all in both) is the two hours of debate each has to have before voting for president and vice president and ultimately installing Biden and Harris. I'll scroll back a few pages to see if I can find it.
     

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