The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (6 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[TampaJoe]

You really don't know what the word mitigation means? Who promised you mask, and distancing would stop covid completely?

Nobody. There are no guarantees. There wasn’t and isn’t a magic bullet. You educate the populace as to the risks. You make recommendations. And you let people decide for themselves if they believe they are at risk. If they believe they are at risk, then they should take all necessary precautions. Nobody is gonna look out for you better than you.

To think the government in this society can micro manage the daily activities of 320 million people for month on end is foolish. It didn’t work. We should have focused on protecting those folks at risk and allowed the others to go on about their lives.

 

[DaveXA]

Well, the forecast has been pretty consistent I think. By 2045-ish. People have been talking about it, yeah, but everybody knows it’s happening in that decade.

2045 is too far away to matter. We need something to happen in 2026, or at the very least 2028, but I think the damage will have been done if 2026 doesn't change things effectively.

 

[DaveXA]

Your ignorance is your problem. If you have to tell me how smart you are, you probably aren’t as smart as you think.

I can find a study on the internet to justify just about anything. All it takes is money and you can get some expert to say about anything. It’s all in how you pick your samples and choose your assumptions. The problem comes in when the guy without his doctorate or MBA but who has years of experience and load of common sense looks at it and says “that doesn’t make any sense”.

You folks share the same problem as Trump. You believe you are the smartest folks in the room. But lots of people are smart. If you spent more time understanding their point instead of calling them ignorant and stupid, you would get farther. I don’t know how Trump pulls it off. That crap doesn’t work for most people. It didn’t work for Hillary. It didn’t work the second time around for Joe and it didn’t work for Kamala. But don’t listen to me. I’m anti intellectual.

One of the worst posts in this entire thread. It baffles me why anyone willingly engages with this sort of nonsense.

 

[TampaJoe]

The data took some time to compile, and everything was changing rapidly as they tried to figure out how to treat this virus. And lower risk doesn’t mean no risk - there were lots of young healthy people who died in the early stages especially in the hardest hit areas. It’s pure hindsight for you to say that they should have known then what we know now.

As for your assertion that Dems and Rs were equally bad about the vaccine - simply not true. The GOP reps promoted crazy conspiracy theories and refused to take the vaccine even after all the scientists had signed off on it. Expressing no faith in Trump, but full faith in Fauci, isn’t even close to the same. At the time Harris made that statement, Trump had put a gag order on the CDC and the FDA if you will recall. So no, it wasn’t the same FDA/CDC because Trump was meddling in them.

You have been shown the studies that the early recommendations were based on - why do you keep saying they were just randomly made up? Because Fauci couldn’t cite the study in a hostile situation? He cited it after the grilling. Fauci was treated like a criminal by idiots who were undermining the vaccine during a global pandemic. As far as I’m concerned all those GOP reps have blood on their hands. People died needlessly because of them.
Looking at state data compared to other state data isn’t very helpful - because states are not monoliths of one party. Even the reddest of states have sizable democratic populations. If you want to compare - compare the vaccine utilization between GOP and Dem voters. Also compare hospitalizations and deaths between voters based on party. I can assure you that will show you the story.
Here’s one to get you started - there are plenty more.

Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic - PubMed

In this cross-sectional study, an association was observed between political party affiliation and excess deaths in Ohio and Florida after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults. These findings suggest that differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republican and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If you seek to compare R management with D management and its effects on mortality, you have to look at it state by state, especially prevaccine. I did just that. And the mortality rates as a whole per thousand people were very close. Virtually no different.

On the one hand, you cite studies that drove policy decisions early on and on the other hand you imply that we didn’t know what we were dealing with. Which is it?

We had studies that showed the masks we were recommending people wear were inadequate for a virus the size of Covid. A number of them. The study someone here posted for me to look at (maybe it was you) to justify the 6 ft rule, in fact, did the opposite. It stated it made no difference between 3 ft and 6 ft. So I dunno how or why these policies were forced on everyone for 2 years. I would have thought Fauci would know. I read the transcripts. Did you. There were lawyers on both sides and there was no grilling. There was no “Perry Mason” moment.

Fauci wanted that job. He wanted that role. He sought out every camera. He was on camera more than anyone. So being questioned on your decisions and being criticized for your decisions goes with the territory. That the price you have to be willing to pay when you seek to be the front man. I never said he was a criminal. Do I think he was totally honest with the public. I do not. YMMV. We can agree to disagree on this.

 

[TampaJoe]

This is actually pretty close to what Trump just said the other day, lol.

He can be right from time to time.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Saw this in the news today, seemed relevant to some of the recent discussion in this thread...

Long COVID impacting more than 1 million children: CDC study suggests

More than 1 million children may have been affected by long COVID in 2023, new federal data published Monday suggests. Long COVID, a condition that occurs when patients still have symptoms at least three months after clearing infection, has been well-documented in adults, but its impact on...

www.yahoo.com

PROVE IT!!!

(oh wait... they removed the data.)

 

[bird]

He can be right from time to time.

No, he can’t.

Tell the surgeon working on you or your loved ones not to wear a mask.

 

[bird]

So, I heard Susan Collins is going to back Russian asset, Tulsi Gabbard.

Geez, wasn’t she concerned?

 

[Optimus Prime]

So, I heard Susan Collins is going to back Russian asset, Tulsi Gabbard.

Geez, wasn’t she concerned?

She’s always concerned

And she always gets over it

 

[wardorican]

So out 1,146,774 total fatalities, 1,696 were aged 0-17. That’s 1/10 of a percent. Covid was not a threat to children. Add in 18-29 at 7,030 and that makes 7/10 of a percent. Not a threat. Add in 30-39 at 19,886 and you’re 2.5%. Age 49 gets you to 6.5%. So 73.5% we’re 50 or older. Add in that on average there were 4 or more co morbidities it’s not hard to see we could have managed it in a much more practical manner. It was old and heavily health impaired that needed to be the focus. Kids should have been in school.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

Screw the teachers, eh?

 

[MT15]

If you seek to compare R management with D management and its effects on mortality, you have to look at it state by state, especially prevaccine.

This study found that in 2 states (OH and FL) death rates among GOP voters were 15% higher even pre-vaccine introduction. Once vaccines were introduced the gap only widened. Now this is just a theory, but think about how Dem voters took the CDC recommendations seriously, while GOP voters blew them off, much like you are still doing to this day - which is just crazy. Guess those masks and 6 foot distancing rules weren’t so stupid after all.

“The study looked at deaths in both Florida and Ohio during the first 22 months of the pandemic and found the overall excess death rate of Republican voters was 15% higher than that of Democrats. The gap widened further once COVID-19 vaccines were introduced.”

Political party affiliation linked to excess COVID deaths

www.cidrap.umn.edu

BTW - this is the first study that popped up. There are plenty of them though. Just take a look, you might learn something.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Trump administration is reportedly expected to tap a conservative media figure and former speechwriter, who was fired for attending a conference with ties to white nationalists in 2018, for one of the top jobs within the State Department.

Darren Beattie, the founder of the conservative online news source “Revolver,” will serve as the acting under secretary for public diplomacy and public affairs beginning on Monday, ABC News reported.

Beattie served as a speechwriter during the first Trump administration but was terminated in 2018 after it was discovered he spoke on a panel at the H.L. Mencken Club Conference in 2016. Beattie spoke alongside notable white supremacists including Peter Brimelow, the founder of VDARE.

At the time, Beattie defended his appearance at the conference claiming he said “nothing objectionable”.

The under secretary for public diplomacy leads the State Department’s efforts to “expand and strengthen the relationships between the people of the United States and citizens of other countries”, according to the State Department’s website.…..

Trump administration taps controversial former speechwriter for State Department job

Former speechwriter will serve as the acting under secretary for public diplomacy, one of the top ten positions in the State Department

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

Nobody. There are no guarantees. There wasn’t and isn’t a magic bullet. You educate the populace as to the risks. You make recommendations. And you let people decide for themselves if they believe they are at risk. If they believe they are at risk, then they should take all necessary precautions. Nobody is gonna look out for you better than you.

To think the government in this society can micro manage the daily activities of 320 million people for month on end is foolish. It didn’t work. We should have focused on protecting those folks at risk and allowed the others to go on about their lives.

The bolded is objectively false - we saw how thousands and thousands of GOP voters acted irresponsibly and died because of it. What’s harder to know is how many other people died because of their recklessness.

When there is a pandemic killing people you do not allow people to decide to act dangerously or irresponsibly because it can and will get innocent people killed.

The restrictions were sensible - not micro-managing, and public health needs to be protected in a civilized society.

There are times when people need to make some small personal sacrifices for the greater good.

Just imagine how WW2 turns out if everyone had your attitude. My god.

 

[TampaJoe]

No, he can’t.

Tell the surgeon working on you or your loved ones not to wear a mask.

I have a feeling if I were infected with a contagious virus, the surgeon would be wearing a much better mask than what was recommended to the general public. We both know that.

You are smarter than that Bird.

 

[TampaJoe]

The bolded is objectively false - we saw how thousands and thousands of GOP voters acted irresponsibly and died because of it. What’s harder to know is how many other people died because of their recklessness.

When there is a pandemic killing people you do not allow people to decide to act dangerously or irresponsibly because it can and will get innocent people killed.

The restrictions were sensible - not micro-managing, and public health needs to be protected in a civilized society.

There are times when people need to make some small personal sacrifices for the greater good.

Just imagine how WW2 turns out if everyone had your attitude. My god.

Please spare me the WW2 comparisons. This wasn’t WW2. It wasn’t total war. It wasn’t the black plague.

If it was WW2, we would never have fought if everyone had your attitude. We would have sheltered in place. People didn’t live in fear quite so much in those days.