The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Sendai]

This argument baffles me. You're throwing these numbers around to show that it's no big deal, but you're ignoring the fact that you are talking about, at best, 370,000 children who will grow up with lifelong health problems impacting their quality of life- and possibly their life expectancy- because some people couldn't be bothered to wear a gosh darned mask. Do you realize how absolutely callous you sound?

Most everyone I knew were wearing masks. The schools did for the full year. We followed CDC and state health guidelines.

You don’t damage the learning opportunities of 74,000,000 kids aged 0-17 because of 370,000 kids. And not all are suffering life long issues.

And those kids were getting Covid just as easily out of school.

 

[Optimus Prime]

DUMB! And when those kids got home and got their parents sick, what would've happened to them then?

Not just parents at home but adults at the schools

Teachers, bus drivers, custodians, cafeteria staff etc.

 

[Sendai]

A few thousand dead kids by your own numbers, but that doesn't seem to matter to you. A small price to pay so you can go to the store without a mask because you matter more than those dead kids. How pathetic and selfish.

In my community everyone was masked. Seldom saw anyone unmasked in public. The schools required masks the entire year.

And yet Covid still spread. It spread all summer when they weren’t in school.

 

[Sendai]

DUMB! And when those kids got home and got their parents sick, what would've happened to them then?

The parents seemed perfectly capable of getting Covid on their own. I’m sure there were parents that gave Covid to their kids as well. And given that age 0-49 accounted for 6.5% of fatalities I’d say life went on for the vast majority of families.

 

[fooferdoggie]

A few thousand dead kids by your own numbers, but that doesn't seem to matter to you. A small price to pay so you can go to the store without a mask because you matter more than those dead kids. How pathetic and selfish.

Hey that's what Trump did spread COVID to his donors because he thought he looked bad in a mask (hint it would have made him look better)

 

[MT15]

I’m focusing on one simple aspect. There was no need to keep schools closed. And we didn’t. The data supported us.

It’s a disease that kills old folks with multiple co morbidities.

So teachers, custodians, secretaries are just expendable in your eyes, as are the hundreds of thousands of kids affected?

The smug self-satisfaction and disregard for people’s lives is pretty amazing.

 

[J-DONK]

I’ll go with the .5% from the CDC study that was not retracted.

I know you didn't read either link.

It's a self-report survey of 7k kids.

Data from the 2022 National Health Interview Survey Sample Child interview (n = 7,464) were used for this analysis.

There is zero clinical data or stats backing that up.

The other showing higher numbers inline with adults is this:

The RECOVER Pediatric Observational Cohort Study (RECOVER-Pediatrics)14 is a combined retrospective and prospective longitudinal study including 4 cohorts. Data presented are from 2 cohorts: the de novo RECOVER cohort, including participants from birth through 25 years with and without SARS-CoV-2 infection history newly recruited from health care and community settings, and the extant National Institutes of Health–funded Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development cohort,16-18 the largest long-term US study of brain development in adolescence.

 

[Sendai]

So teachers, custodians, secretaries are just expendable in your eyes, as are the hundreds of thousands of kids affected?

The smug self-satisfaction and disregard for people’s lives is pretty amazing.

No one was expendable. There was no disregard. There were masks, hand cleaners, disinfectants, daily cleaning rituals. Classroom sanitation. Spacing. It was tightly focused on safety. Six school buildings. Custodians, bus drivers, et al did fine. Caution ruled. Considering the circumstances, All in all things went well.

 

[J-DONK]

In my community everyone was masked. Seldom saw anyone unmasked in public. The schools required masks the entire year.

And yet Covid still spread. It spread all summer when they weren’t in school.

You really don't know what the word mitigation means? Who promised you mask, and distancing would stop covid completely?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

In my community everyone was masked. Seldom saw anyone unmasked in public. The schools required masks the entire year.

And yet Covid still spread. It spread all summer when they weren’t in school.

Places that took it seriously fared far better than we did, and that's because a large segment of our population thought that wearing a mask was akin to tyranny. If that wasn't you, great. But for everyone that refused to mask or didn't bother to take it seriously, they can get fricked.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Most everyone I knew were wearing masks. The schools did for the full year. We followed CDC and state health guidelines.

You don’t damage the learning opportunities of 74,000,000 kids aged 0-17 because of 370,000 kids. And not all are suffering life long issues.

And those kids were getting Covid just as easily out of school.

Do you hear yourself? Putting 370,000 kids at risk is acceptable to you? If you knew for a fact that your kids would suffer from long covid or even die, would you still think it acceptable?

 

[J-DONK]

Sendai is coming across like this:

 

[MT15]

No one was expendable. There was no disregard. There were masks, hand cleaners, disinfectants, daily cleaning rituals. Classroom sanitation. Spacing. It was tightly focused on safety. Six school buildings. Custodians, bus drivers, et al did fine. Caution ruled. Considering the circumstances, All in all things went well.

Then what is your beef exactly? Why are you so angry about the response?

Oh, and plenty of people who did the right things still died. One of them was my neighbor. I also saw how many patients we lost early on at the hospital.

You seem to have this idea that Covid was never a big deal, which is extremely revisionist.

Different parts of the country were also hit differently with prevalence of the virus. The fact that I only knew one person who died had a lot to do with where I lived and the relative scarcity of the virus in our area. People who lived in large urban areas, especially those whose schools and hospitals lacked proper ventilation, were at much higher risk than me or you. Especially when masks were scarce, and there was no extra money for special sanitation.

Instead of acting like anyone who responded differently than you was wrong, or congratulating yourself for how well your area did, maybe consider there was some good fortune involved and/or luck.

 

[MT15]

Oh and this reminded me of something I saw on social media today. Note: this is definitely not directed at Sendai, just writing that post reminded me of it.

A guy was explaining his theory about why so many MAGA people are always so angry. Even after Trump won, they weren’t really happy - it just seemed to have made them angrier. The threats and trolling on social media got even more vile after the election, for example.

He introduced a term I never heard before: extinction burst. It’s a psychological term, I think. When a certain type of behavior is suddenly no longer rewarded, that behavior evidences itself more often and more pronounced at first, before it dies out (assuming it is still not rewarded).

The example he gave was something like your credit card doesn’t work when you swipe it - so most people just swipe it again and again, with increasing frustration before they finally get the idea that they need to replace the card and give up.

He says society is experiencing an extinction burst of open bigotry, misogyny, hatred since Obama got elected. That shook up people to their core that he got elected, but even more so that he got re-elected. They’re acting out their rage and fear that they will never return to the days when they didn’t have to listen to people who they don’t like, or see them or acknowledge they even exist.

He had a message - he thinks MAGA knows they cannot really go back, they cannot stop the demographics from continuing the way they are. So they are having an extinction burst of rage.

I don’t know if I buy that or not but it was interesting to hear about it.

 

[Booker]

Saw this in the news today, seemed relevant to some of the recent discussion in this thread...

Long COVID impacting more than 1 million children: CDC study suggests

More than 1 million children may have been affected by long COVID in 2023, new federal data published Monday suggests. Long COVID, a condition that occurs when patients still have symptoms at least three months after clearing infection, has been well-documented in adults, but its impact on...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Oh and this reminded me of something I saw on social media today. Note: this is definitely not directed at Sendai, just writing that post reminded me of it.

A guy was explaining his theory about why so many MAGA people are always so angry. Even after Trump won, they weren’t really happy - it just seemed to have made them angrier. The threats and trolling on social media got even more vile after the election, for example.

He introduced a term I never heard before: extinction burst. It’s a psychological term, I think. When a certain type of behavior is suddenly no longer rewarded, that behavior evidences itself more often and more pronounced at first, before it dies out (assuming it is still not rewarded).

The example he gave was something like your credit card doesn’t work when you swipe it - so most people just swipe it again and again, with increasing frustration before they finally get the idea that they need to replace the card and give up.

He says society is experiencing an extinction burst of open bigotry, misogyny, hatred since Obama got elected. That shook up people to their core that he got elected, but even more so that he got re-elected. They’re acting out their rage and fear that they will never return to the days when they didn’t have to listen to people who they don’t like, or see them or acknowledge they even exist.

He had a message - he thinks MAGA knows they cannot really go back, they cannot stop the demographics from continuing the way they are. So they are having an extinction burst of rage.

I don’t know if I buy that or not but it was interesting to hear about it.

That is very interesting

But I would have thought that Trump getting elected in 2016, Charlottesville, election denial and all culminating in January 6th was the extinction burst

God help us if Trump 2.0 isn’t it either

 

[faceman]

That is very interesting

But I would have thought that Trump getting elected in 2016, Charlottesville, election denial and all culminating in January 6th was the extinction burst

God help us if Trump 2.0 isn’t it either

he is gone in 2028. No Rep. has his charisma. If they said what Trump has their political careers would be over. He really is a teflon don type.

Looks like he will get to replace Thomas and Alito,but that's not a gain on Scotus. ACB is quickly becoming a swing vote

 

[Sendai]

Then what is your beef exactly? Why are you so angry about the response?

Oh, and plenty of people who did the right things still died. One of them was my neighbor. I also saw how many patients we lost early on at the hospital.

You seem to have this idea that Covid was never a big deal, which is extremely revisionist.

Different parts of the country were also hit differently with prevalence of the virus. The fact that I only knew one person who died had a lot to do with where I lived and the relative scarcity of the virus in our area. People who lived in large urban areas, especially those whose schools and hospitals lacked proper ventilation, were at much higher risk than me or you. Especially when masks were scarce, and there was no extra money for special sanitation.

Instead of acting like anyone who responded differently than you was wrong, or congratulating yourself for how well your area did, maybe consider there was some good fortune involved and/or luck.

Given the care we took opening the schools it was obviously a big deal. The drive to get everyone vaccinated. My point is simply that it wasn’t appropriate to keep schools closed. The covid threat to 0-17 was so low schools needed to be open. We took great caution and given the circumstances it went well. A good number of local school systems did the same as our community and the private schools and had similar results.