The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (19 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Sendai]

Older people die more than younger ones. This is not earth shattering news.

It still doesn't change the fact covid didn't discriminate. I lost 5 friends who believed they'd
be in the 99% that wouldn't die.

Wyoming had one of the highest covid mortality rates. They are also the reddest state in the nation. How do you
explain this?

Older people with multiple co morbidities according to the cdc.

 

[Sendai]

Are you talking about the data that shows 6 million kids have long covid?

There are roughly 74 million children age 0-17 in the USA. .5%, according to the cdc with long covid. So 370,000.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 479 - September 2023

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

 

[Sendai]

You realize I have no idea if you live in blue or red state based off of this response.

And that matters how?

The local community school system has 3 school buildings. And the community voted for Harris. Also Dem congress person. Also work with two private schools. Decidedly blue. All back in class late August based on solid data.

 

[Sendai]

Older people die more than younger ones. This is not earth shattering news.

It still doesn't change the fact covid didn't discriminate. I lost 5 friends who believed they'd
be in the 99% that wouldn't die.

Wyoming had one of the highest covid mortality rates. They are also the reddest state in the nation. How do you
explain this?

Wyoming ranked 23rd

COVID-19 Mortality by State

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

 

[fooferdoggie]

children spread it as evenly as adults.

but if you cram them into a school then they spread it far worse.

 

[J-DONK]

There are roughly 74 million children age 0-17 in the USA. .5%, according to the cdc with long covid. So 370,000.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 479 - September 2023

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Most of these studies have been retracted.

Here ya go:

Long COVID Is Harming Too Many Kids. They Need Help.

Pediatric long COVID is more common than many thought, and we keep letting kids be reinfected with new variants

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[J-DONK]

And that matters how?

The local community school system has 3 school buildings. And the community voted for Harris. Also Dem congress person. Also work with two private schools. Decidedly blue. All back in class late August based on solid data.

You don't have a point.

You also seem to be under some massive misunderstanding that covid doesn't do anything to kids. We know that's not true any longer.

As you said new evidence, and all that.

In a perfect world, kids would have been kept out of school untl vaccines at the very least.

 

[MT15]

I love it when people who have zero epidemiological or medical knowledge glance at statistics and try to lord it over the experts. Truly a conservative speciality.

As I pointed out and was ignored - the mortality rate was very very different for about the entire first year. Protective equipment was in short supply and people were stubbornly refusing to use it when they did have access.

Sendai described the exact experience that many places had so I’m not entirely sure what he is complaining about. His experience is not different than our local school experience. Possibly they were out longer. My son who taught college in Missouri at the time was only out of the classroom for 1 semester. I think that was pretty standard here as well.

I will never understand why so many conservatives wanted to play victim about a novel deadly virus. But hoo boy do they ever want to play the victim. It’s pretty remarkable.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I will never understand why so many conservatives wanted to play victim about a novel deadly virus. But hoo boy do they ever want to play the victim. It’s pretty remarkable.

The next deadly pandemic may happen much sooner than we thought

If it does they’ll get their wish

 

[J-DONK]

I love it when people who have zero epidemiological or medical knowledge glance at statistics and try to lord it over the experts. Truly a conservative speciality.

As I pointed out and was ignored - the mortality rate was very very different for about the entire first year. Protective equipment was in short supply and people were stubbornly refusing to use it when they did have access.

Sendai described the exact experience that many places had so I’m not entirely sure what he is complaining about. His experience is not different than our local school experience. Possibly they were out longer. My son who taught college in Missouri at the time was only out of the classroom for 1 semester. I think that was pretty standard here as well.

I will never understand why so many conservatives wanted to play victim about a novel deadly virus. But hoo boy do they ever want to play the victim. It’s pretty remarkable.

Right, and it was already pointed in this thread. If mitigation didn't work, why did conseratives suffer higher rates of infection, and death?

At least covid gave us the answer to "Would conseratives die to stick it to the libs?" Yes, in droves.

It's like Sendia, and TJ are arguing for the right to be culled if we have another pandemic.

 

[Sendai]

Most of these studies have been retracted.

Here ya go:

Long COVID Is Harming Too Many Kids. They Need Help.

Pediatric long COVID is more common than many thought, and we keep letting kids be reinfected with new variants

www.scientificamerican.com

no indication that one was retracted.

And being archived isn’t a retraction.

 

[J-DONK]

no indication that one was retracted.

And being archived isn’t a retraction.

A similiar study that showed a similar infection rate was retracted.

In August, the authors of the study retracted it. They did not admit to the errors we raised. But they did admit to new errors, and said these mistakes meant they understated the rate of affected children.

And that rate, according to other research, is quite high. The American Medical Association’s top journal, JAMA, in August published a key new study and editorial about pediatric long COVID. The editorial cites several robust analyses and concludes that, while uncertainty remains, long COVID symptoms appear to occur after about 10 percent to 20 percent of pediatric infections.

 

[Sendai]

I love it when people who have zero epidemiological or medical knowledge glance at statistics and try to lord it over the experts. Truly a conservative speciality.

As I pointed out and was ignored - the mortality rate was very very different for about the entire first year. Protective equipment was in short supply and people were stubbornly refusing to use it when they did have access.

Sendai described the exact experience that many places had so I’m not entirely sure what he is complaining about. His experience is not different than our local school experience. Possibly they were out longer. My son who taught college in Missouri at the time was only out of the classroom for 1 semester. I think that was pretty standard here as well.

I will never understand why so many conservatives wanted to play victim about a novel deadly virus. But hoo boy do they ever want to play the victim. It’s pretty remarkable.

I’m not complaining about anything. Simply providing accurate data regarding Covid mortality. And no, the mortality data for the first year was not different.
In July 2020 the mortality rate for age 0-49 was 5%. In June 2020 0-49 was 6%. As I stated earlier the overall rate for the pandemic 6.5%.

In July 2020 there were 29 0-17 fatalities out of 31,135 total fatalities. You can do the math.

We simply understood the data and got the kids back in school.

And a large number of big city schools failed to get back in class in a reasonable period of time.

 

[Sendai]

A similiar study that showed a similar infection rate was retracted.

I’ll go with the .5% from the CDC study that was not retracted.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I’ll go with the .5% from the CDC study that was not retracted.

This argument baffles me. You're throwing these numbers around to show that it's no big deal, but you're ignoring the fact that you are talking about, at best, 370,000 children who will grow up with lifelong health problems impacting their quality of life- and possibly their life expectancy- because some people couldn't be bothered to wear a gosh darned mask. Do you realize how absolutely callous you sound?

 

[Sendai]

Right, and it was already pointed in this thread. If mitigation didn't work, why did conseratives suffer higher rates of infection, and death?

At least covid gave us the answer to "Would conseratives die to stick it to the libs?" Yes, in droves.

It's like Sendia, and TJ are arguing for the right to be culled if we have another pandemic.

I’m focusing on one simple aspect. There was no need to keep schools closed. And we didn’t. The data supported us.

It’s a disease that kills old folks with multiple co morbidities.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I’m focusing on one simple aspect. There was no need to keep schools closed. And we didn’t. The data supported us.

It’s a disease that kills old folks with multiple co morbidities.

A few thousand dead kids by your own numbers, but that doesn't seem to matter to you. A small price to pay so you can go to the store without a mask because you matter more than those dead kids. How pathetic and selfish.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I’m focusing on one simple aspect. There was no need to keep schools closed. And we didn’t. The data supported us.

It’s a disease that kills old folks with multiple co morbidities.

DUMB! And when those kids got home and got their parents sick, what would've happened to them then?