The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (1 Viewer)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Wait. There's a debate tonight? On a Friday night?

ABC

 

[Heathen]

This is actually a pretty solid debate for everyone so far. I'm impressed.

 

[BobE]

This is the best debate Mitt Romney has ever had and he's not even in it

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This is actually a pretty solid debate for everyone so far. I'm impressed.

Agreed

 

[SaintForLife]

I find it hard to believe you don’t know this. Essentially they are doing everything they can to bolster Bernie and tear down Joe Biden. I think Trump supporters are more likely to see Russian troll activity, due to the fact that the Russian trolls are essentially supporting Trump, same as 2015-2016. When you support Trump, you will be more likely to see pro-Trump memes and FB pages, and a subset of them are Russian-sponsored. It is what it is.

Facebook: Russian trolls are back. And they're here to meddle with 2020

People linked to the Internet Research Agency, the Kremlin-backed troll group indicted by the United States for its alleged interference in the 2016 US presidential election, are laying the groundwork to do the same in 2020, new information released by Facebook on Monday suggests.

www.cnn.com

My goodness. The attempt to try to link anyone who isn't an establishment candidate to Russia is tiring and ridiculous.

 

[Taurus]

Exactly. I don't get why they expect a different result this time.

Because it won't be Hillary in the general.

 

[Taurus]

The Ban and Registry... Right there...

I tell ya... You want gun control... How about Stop, search and seize... and if you have a gun with no gun license you go to jail and gun gets taken... You cool with that? I am... Cause I got a gun license so I have NO problem with it.

You still want gun control now? or is this not up to YOUR gun law standards.

edit- I have semi autos, so it does involve my guns...

The stop-and-search would work except you know damn well it would just mean open season on black men.

"Freeze! You got a gun, *igger?"
"Yes, officer, it's in this holster, let me just get my licen... "
"HE'S GOT A GUN!"
BLAMBLAMBLAM!

Weeks later...
"During our investigation it was discovered that the victim was properly licensed. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family. No, the officers will not be charged."

 

[SystemShock]

Because it won't be Hillary in the general.

It wasn't because of Hillary that Sanders' supporters didn't vote. It was because they felt Sanders got cheated.

 

[Beach Friends]

I am going to miss her when she is gone.

 

[MT15]

My goodness. The attempt to try to link anyone who isn't an establishment candidate to Russia is tiring and ridiculous.

your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. My goodness, indeed.

 

[Lapaz]

It wasn't because of Hillary that Sanders' supporters didn't vote. It was because they felt Sanders got cheated.

I supported Sanders in 2016, and I know the DNC wanted Hillary, but how did they cheat Sanders?

 

[samiam5211]

My goodness. The attempt to try to link anyone who isn't an establishment candidate to Russia is tiring and ridiculous.

Russia (and others) are going to try to use the election to sow discord in the Untied States.

Just like 2016, we’re going to see constant fake news stories, or manipulated social media trends, or promotion of conspiracy theories.

It’s not about the candidate. We shouldn’t view calling out fake stories or other propaganda attacks the same as calling out the candidate who happens to benefit from it. That’s what Russia wants.

 

[SystemShock]

I supported Sanders in 2016, and I know the DNC wanted Hillary, but how did they cheat Sanders?

That's the narrative, that Sanders got cheated.

 

[Beach Friends]

Russia (and others) are going to try to use the election to sow discord in the Untied States.

Just like 2016, we’re going to see constant fake news stories, or manipulated social media trends, or promotion of conspiracy theories.

It’s not about the candidate. We shouldn’t view calling out fake stories or other propaganda attacks the same as calling out the candidate who happens to benefit from it. That’s what Russia wants.

Assuming a goal of undermining confidence and creating discord, I think they would also be pleased in seeing Russia hysteria, where we run around falsely accusing each other of being Russian agents or being under the influence of Russian agents.

In fact, that may be the greatest return on their investment they could possible hope for.

I think we may be saying close to the same thing, but not sure.

 

[samiam5211]

Assuming a goal of undermining confidence and creating discord, I think they would also be pleased in seeing Russia hysteria, where we run around falsely accusing each other of being Russian agents or being under the influence of Russian agents.

In fact, that may be the greatest return on their investment they could possible hope for.

I think we may be saying close to the same thing, but not sure.

It is certain that both genuine hysteria and accusations of hysteria play into Putin’s hands.

If there is propaganda that supports the idea that Bernie is being cheated, we should be able to agree that it should be disregarded, and saying it is fake news wouldn’t mean you think Bernie wasn’t also being cheated.

The candidates need to be more vocal about discrediting lies online that happen to help their campaign.

 

[Joe Okc]

Ok.. Got three of ya... May not spend much time, gonna head out soon.

The only way to prove a car belongs to you is the fact that it is registered.
If the police recover a stolen car, the VIN number being registered to your name is how you get it back.

Not True... You can NOT register a car for years.. and if it gets stolen it can be identified by Title. For example, Classic cars that don't do on the road. They can sit in a shop and not be registered. And still stolen.

I feel like this hasn't been thought through.

"With my concept, the thief cannot even buy gas for your car without a Car license."

Is gas the equivalent of bullets here? Why can the thief not buy bullets for the stolen gun? It's possible that they have a gun license and use that license to buy the bullets. It's possible that someone with a license is buying bullets, then selling them to people under the table. How is this going to be proven unless you also propose individual identification of every bullet produced, then having every single unique ID from every single bullet purchased tied into their gun license.

"They cannot sell your car with them not having a Car License both the seller and the buyer."

Thieves don't usually sell to honest people. They sell to people for cash and no paper trail. Car thieves are usually either selling to a chop shop, taking it for a joyride and abandoning it, or using it to commit another crime (possibly involving a gun they bought from a person that either has a license or acquired it illegally themselves).

"they cannot even have a car without a Car License"

Last time I purchased a car, they made sure I was licensed. Still had to register the damn car.

Your proposals do not make anyone safer or make guns any more difficult to obtain, while at the same time being much more complex (and needlessly so) than the proposed solution to which you are adamantly opposed.

Cuddle monkey

Is gas the equivalent of bullets here?

Yes.. You can;t buy any ammo, buy gun or sell gun, carry gun without license..

Thieves don't usually sell to honest people. They sell to people for cash and no paper trail.

Thats been my view all along... and the there are two people out there right now. Responsable gun, lawabiding. owners with concealed permit, and those that arn't. People are gonna obtain guns no matter what laws you make.. But. The enforcment to get the out of the hands of the wrong people is the key...

Your proposals do not make anyone safer or make guns any more difficult to obtain,

If you are not allowed to buy or sell a gun legally, and if you have to get an FBI check and fingerprints and photo just for a gun license to do so.. It will make obtaining a gun legally more difficult to obtain.
I don;t know how you can say that it won't.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

"Yes.. You can;t buy any ammo, buy gun or sell gun, carry gun without license.."

This fails to address the fact that anyone with a license can buy the bullets, then resell them for a quick buck or have them stolen from their homes. Hell, you ignored the possibility that the person with the stolen gun is a licensed owner themselves. Since you keep comparing it to vehicles, I am willing to bet that most car thieves have a state issued driver's license. If you are not tying specific weapons and bullets to the gun license of the purchaser, you retain zero ability to track the weapons and ammunition used in crimes.

"Thats been my view all along... and the there are two people out there right now. Responsable gun, lawabiding. owners with concealed permit, and those that arn't. People are gonna obtain guns no matter what laws you make.. But. The enforcment to get the out of the hands of the wrong people is the key..."

"If you are not allowed to buy or sell a gun legally, and if you have to get an FBI check and fingerprints and photo just for a gun license to do so.. It will make obtaining a gun legally more difficult to obtain.
I don;t know how you can say that it won't."

You see the contradiction, right?

You want to know how easy it is to get around your proposal?

Bob owns a gun store. Mark comes in to buy a gun. Mark has no license. Bob sells him a gun under the counter.

Since the individual gun is not registered, how can you prove Bob sold it to someone that doesn't have a license?

 

[Beach Friends]

Ok.. Got three of ya... May not spend much time, gonna head out soon.



Not True... You can NOT register a car for years.. and if it gets stolen it can be identified by Title. For example, Classic cars that don't do on the road. They can sit in a shop and not be registered. And still stolen.






Cuddle monkey

Is gas the equivalent of bullets here?

Yes.. You can;t buy any ammo, buy gun or sell gun, carry gun without license..

Thieves don't usually sell to honest people. They sell to people for cash and no paper trail.

Thats been my view all along... and the there are two people out there right now. Responsable gun, lawabiding. owners with concealed permit, and those that arn't. People are gonna obtain guns no matter what laws you make.. But. The enforcment to get the out of the hands of the wrong people is the key...

Your proposals do not make anyone safer or make guns any more difficult to obtain,

If you are not allowed to buy or sell a gun legally, and if you have to get an FBI check and fingerprints and photo just for a gun license to do so.. It will make obtaining a gun legally more difficult to obtain.
I don;t know how you can say that it won't.

2nd Amendment success story. This morning a friend of mine was loading in his kids in the car at church when a lunatic approached them swinging a bat. The situation was diffused when my buddy showed him his .45 ACP. No shots fired, BTW. No one hurt. Good thing the good guy was not required to travel with his firearm locked away in a safe like VA Democrats think is a good idea.