The Bernie Sanders Is Probably [Now Not] Going To Be The Nominee Thread (1 Viewer)

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

We have a running thread about the 2020 Democratic race at large, but 538 is now showing that Bernie Sanders has a nearly 50% chance of carrying a majority of delegates into the Democratic National Convention (with the current runner up being "no one has a majority" at close to 40%). At some point in the near future--maybe as soon as Super Tuesday next week when he wins California--it will be time to acknowledge that Sanders is the probable nominee and there is nothing Biden or Bloomberg or anyone else in the race now can do to stop it. So, what happens then?

I know that the Trump voters will say he's crazy and use that as their excuse for voting for Trump (who they were voting for anyway under any circumstance, let's all be clear and honest about that). But how does everyone else feel about it?

 

[andrew76021]

Obama said from the beginning, even before Biden entered the race, that he wouldn’t be endorsing anyone until after the nomination. This isn’t all that unusual, I don’t think, so that’s not some sort of “unanswered question”.

Link please. I'd bet you have 0 proof of that claim. At the same time show me any ex-president that didn't endorse their VP.

Obama picked to endorse the worst democratic candidate in history over him, Clinton. But you know this.

Just one.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Link please. I'd bet you have 0 proof of that claim. At the same time show me any ex-president that didn't endorse their VP.

Obama picked to endorse the worst democratic candidate in history over him, Clinton. But you know this.

Just one.

Obama didn't endorse Hillary until June of 2016.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

And for your specific question, I have no idea, he hasn't publicly said, but this article from April of 2019 claims that it is because he thinks having the Democrats battle it out will make them stronger.

Why Obama Won't Endorse His Former Vice President Joe Biden (at Least for Now)

Biden’s campaign staff is full of Obama administration alumni

time.com

I'm not sure why it matters to you though. It's not like you care what Obama's opinion is.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

And for your specific question, I have no idea, he hasn't publicly said, but this article from April of 2019 claims that it is because he thinks having the Democrats battle it out will make them stronger.

Why Obama Won't Endorse His Former Vice President Joe Biden (at Least for Now)

Biden’s campaign staff is full of Obama administration alumni

time.com

I'm not sure why it matters to you though. It's not like you care what Obama's opinion is.

There was an interview/story I remember hearing where Biden said he asked Obama not to publicly endorse him. Not sure the truth behind it, but I clearly remember it.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

There was an interview/story I remember hearing where Biden said he asked Obama not to publicly endorse him. Not sure the truth behind it, but I clearly remember it.

Yes, he claimed that back in December. Seemed a bit weird to me.

I also went back to see when a President endorsed his VP as his successor.... and Obama holding off endorsing Biden isn't as weird as andrew seems to think it is. Cheney didn't run for President, so George W Bush couldn't endorse his VP. Clinton endorsed Gore in December of 1999. George H W Bush lost his reelection, so that's moot. And Ronald Reagan didn't endorse Bush until May of 1988, well after it was decided. So, I'm not sure what point andrew is trying to make.

 

[MT15]

Whatever his point is, it’s pretty obvious he has a bit of an attitude, maybe he is feeling bad about something.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So how has Trumps tax returns affected you? Just curious.

Why do you keep asking how things personally impact those on this board? That's a terrible standard by which to judge things.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Respectfully, I think you should take a closer look at what Bernie is saying. You know he's talking about nationalising healthcare and he's heading in that direction with energy, specifically production of electricity.

Add in there the rhetoric against "billionaires" (that's just a first step toward millionaires and folks in your income bracket) which is classic Marxist class warfare language and his use of the term "revolution" and you should be seeing some warning signs.

Also take note of his goal of achieving "equity," which translates into equality of outcome. Equality of outcome is not the same as equality of opportunity. You can have one or the other, but not both.

As an employer, how do you feel about his promise to have a federal prohibition against any employer discharging an employee for anything other than "just cause?" Do you really want to litigate every decision to terminate the employment of one of your employees?

Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason.

 

[BobE]

 

[andrew76021]

Why do you keep asking how things personally impact those on this board? That's a terrible standard by which to judge things.

Okay then. How have Trump's past tax returns impacted the country?

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Okay then. How have Trump's past tax returns impacted the country?

If/when the tax returns show how beholden trump is to Russian oligarchs and the messy web of deutsches bank, it will be ABUNDANTLY clear that all of the red flags people were waving saying ‘please don’t vote for this corrupted con man, it will be a colossal mistake that will take decades to undo’ will be correct (even though it’s always been abundantly clear)

 

[MT15]

Okay then. How have Trump's past tax returns impacted the country?

so you are determined to distract with this straw man? I brought them up solely to illustrate past behaviors. First, breaking with tradition, in that Trump cares nothing about our tradition of having presidential candidates release their tax returns. He also has no problem promising to do something that’s expected of him, and then not doing it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Okay then. How have Trump's past tax returns impacted the country?

In addition to what GMR and MT have already said, it impacts the country because we deserve to know how honest he is. Does he cheat on his taxes? Is he as successful as he claims? One of the things people say they voted for is a successful businessman. If he's being untruthful about that aspect of his life, would that have changed anyone's minds?

The people who are impacted by the decisions made in the Oval Office- which is everyone in the country- deserve as much information as possible when they vote, do they not?

 

[bdb13]

Okay then. How have Trump's past tax returns impacted the country?

I don't really care about Trump's tax returns, but they certainly help give a clearer view into who you're voting for for the highest office in the country. Trump may have won the election in part because he did not disclose them.

But yeah, if you're asking what impact they have had on the country since Trump's election... It's likely none.

 

[CoolBrees]

Also, not to pile on (ok yeah to pile on) Biden didn’t even run in 2016. Let alone did President Obama endorse Hillary over him. You are fact intolerant.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Okay then. How have Trump's past tax returns impacted the country?

This is a better question to ask. It's obviously not doom and gloom, and I don't think there's an inherent right to demand a candidates tax returns. However, it was a standard that held candidates to a standard of some degree of transparency in their personal interests, and by Trump withholding his tax returns (which was his right), it weakens standards of personal transparency we had held our politicians to.

 

[Beach Friends]

This is a better question to ask. It's obviously not doom and gloom, and I don't think there's an inherent right to demand a candidates tax returns. However, it was a standard that held candidates to a standard of some degree of transparency in their personal interests, and by Trump withholding his tax returns (which was his right), it weakens standards of personal transparency we had held our politicians to.

Maybe. But if I was Trump I would be 100% convinced that even if there was nothing untoward in those returns my opponents (including the overwhelming majority of the media) would spin anything they could against me.

Remember Rachel Maddow's show where she was so giddy that she had tax info to share and it ended up being a nothingburger?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Maybe. But if I was Trump I would be 100% convinced that even if there was nothing untoward in those returns my opponents (including the overwhelming majority of the media) would spin anything they could against me.

Remember Rachel Maddow's show where she was so giddy that she had tax info to share and it ended up being a nothingburger?

"I'm afraid that someone will make things up that are easily proven to be untrue" is a gutsy argument for a Trump supporter to use.