The Bernie Sanders Is Probably [Now Not] Going To Be The Nominee Thread (1 Viewer)

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

We have a running thread about the 2020 Democratic race at large, but 538 is now showing that Bernie Sanders has a nearly 50% chance of carrying a majority of delegates into the Democratic National Convention (with the current runner up being "no one has a majority" at close to 40%). At some point in the near future--maybe as soon as Super Tuesday next week when he wins California--it will be time to acknowledge that Sanders is the probable nominee and there is nothing Biden or Bloomberg or anyone else in the race now can do to stop it. So, what happens then?

I know that the Trump voters will say he's crazy and use that as their excuse for voting for Trump (who they were voting for anyway under any circumstance, let's all be clear and honest about that). But how does everyone else feel about it?

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Again, I don't think you are paying attention to what we are talking about.



Where is the evidence that that is what would happen to people who pay federal income taxes? Which is what I am and have been talking about in relation to whether a Medicare-for-all system would be a boon to business

I’ll ignore the condescension.

Like I said, for everyone? No, for most, yes. Which goes with the nature of how much utility at a cheaper rate a good UHC system ultimately provides, for individuals and businesses.

On the net most people’s expenses, tax payers included, go down. Most people’s healthcare utility goes up.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publication-pdfs/2000786-an-analysis-of-senator-bernie-sanderss-tax-and-transfer-proposals.pdf

As the current system is highly regressive. Outside of being in a government program, the less of your disposable income you can place into healthcare, the less savings you get from the various ways the system economically subsidises individuals. Worse if you are a middle class tax payer soaked by Medicare and having pay private health insurance, and losing potential wage earnings due to the pressure of increased healthcare costs on employers. While in a UHC system the payment structure is typically highly progressive based primarily on income and funding sources concentrated at the top of the ladder. Where you get all your comprehensive benefits under one plan, often supplemented with lower cost insurance, but with net savings over what we currently have. The ultimate benefit is that it all but removes the regressiveness of the system. Some people should be paying a lot more, most people less on the whole. That is what a move to a sensible UHC system would help facilitate.

 

[andrew76021]

Trump is loving that the best candidate the democratic party has is Barry Sanders.

Bloomberg just tossed close to a billion dollars at the process. Not that it matters to him financially. Wasted effort.

Why isn't Obama giving Biden his endorsement? Because he has a hard time completing a sentence.? Has any ex-President ever not endorsed his VP?

I am excited for either. This November is going to be entertaining. What will the Trump/Sanders debates be like?

 

[Taurus]

A desire for revenge seems to be a feature of Marxism. Careful, odds are that you will be considered "them."

It's a feature of being human.

But in the economic sense, it's more about admitting that trickle-down doesn't work.
Or rather, it only works for the wealthy.
Time to push the pendulum the other way.

 

[Andrus]

Beach Friends and N.O. Bronco! Keep it civil!

 

[dtc]

A desire for revenge seems to be a feature of Marxism. Careful, odds are that you will be considered "them."

A desire for revenge seems to be a feature of Marxism. Careful, odds are that you will be considered "them."

Not a single freaking person in this race - not even Bernie Sanders is advocating Marxism.

 

[MT15]

Trump is loving that the best candidate the democratic party has is Barry Sanders.

Bloomberg just tossed close to a billion dollars at the process. Not that it matters to him financially. Wasted effort.

Why isn't Obama giving Biden his endorsement? Because he has a hard time completing a sentence.? Has any ex-President ever not endorsed his VP?

I am excited for either. This November is going to be entertaining. What will the Trump/Sanders debates be like?

I highly doubt Trump will agree to debate whoever is the Democratic nominee. Do you think Trump will agree to any debates? I don't see it happening.

 

[Maxp]

I highly doubt Trump will agree to debate whoever is the Democratic nominee. Do you think Trump will agree to any debates? I don't see it happening.

Once his manhood is challenged he will or maybe the size of his hands.

 

[The moose]

I highly doubt Trump will agree to debate whoever is the Democratic nominee. Do you think Trump will agree to any debates? I don't see it happening.

Nope he won't do it. He has refused to do plenty of stuff.

I don't see him doing it.

 

[MT15]

Once his manhood is challenged he will or maybe the size of his hands.

I think he will say he wants to, similar to how he “wanted” to release his taxes, but I don’t think he will actually do it.

 

[SFIDC3]

A desire for revenge seems to be a feature of Marxism. Careful, odds are that you will be considered "them."

Wow, that is the first time I've ever heard ending welfare for corporations and the uber wealthy referred to as "revenge"...interesting take there.....

 

[Beach Friends]

Not a single freaking person in this race - not even Bernie Sanders is advocating Marxism.

Respectfully, I think you should take a closer look at what Bernie is saying. You know he's talking about nationalising healthcare and he's heading in that direction with energy, specifically production of electricity.

Add in there the rhetoric against "billionaires" (that's just a first step toward millionaires and folks in your income bracket) which is classic Marxist class warfare language and his use of the term "revolution" and you should be seeing some warning signs.

Also take note of his goal of achieving "equity," which translates into equality of outcome. Equality of outcome is not the same as equality of opportunity. You can have one or the other, but not both.

As an employer, how do you feel about his promise to have a federal prohibition against any employer discharging an employee for anything other than "just cause?" Do you really want to litigate every decision to terminate the employment of one of your employees?

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Wow, that is the first time I've ever heard ending welfare for corporations and the uber wealthy referred to as "revenge"...interesting take there.....

Brace yourself - I don’t think that will be the last or the worst

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

So Biden says a vote for Bernie hurts gaining in the Senate chances
I think I had held that as perceived wisdom but as I think about it,I’m not sure it holds
I find it much more likely that Biden appeals to some crossover voters - they might vote for Biden but also Rs for senate/congress
I don’t think Bernie will have any of those
‘Possibly’ he could have some who vote Bernie but then straight Green Party or something- that might have a down ticket effect but not sure how much national influence it would have

 

[MT15]

It’s a very big gamble. We won’t know until it’s too late.

 

[andrew76021]

I highly doubt Trump will agree to debate whoever is the Democratic nominee. Do you think Trump will agree to any debates? I don't see it happening.

I think he has to from a election standpoint. It's still a race.

The better unanswered question is why has Obama not endorsed his VP?

 

[MT15]

He doesn’t have to, it’s not a requirement. It‘s a custom, like candidates releasing their tax returns. He’s consistently promised to do things and then not done them. Like his taxes, like sitting down with Mueller.

Obama said from the beginning, even before Biden entered the race, that he wouldn’t be endorsing anyone until after the nomination. This isn’t all that unusual, I don’t think, so that’s not some sort of “unanswered question”.

 

[Beach Friends]

It’s a very big gamble. We won’t know until it’s too late.

I think it is obvious the Democratic establishment don't want to.find out. It's looking like an interesting convention.

 

[andrew76021]

He doesn’t have to, it’s not a requirement. It‘s a custom, like candidates releasing their tax returns. He’s consistently promised to do things and then not done them. Like his taxes, like sitting down with Mueller.

Obama said from the beginning, even before Biden entered the race, that he wouldn’t be endorsing anyone until after the nomination. This isn’t all that unusual, I don’t think, so that’s not some sort of “unanswered question”.

So how has Trumps tax returns affected you? Just curious.