Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Saintamaniac]

No not really all the idiot kids I had to teach in manufacturing over the years because they grew up with out a dad. and didn't know how to use basic tools was numerous

It had to rough for the idiot kids not having a dad around to teach them how to use tools....almost as hard as growing up without an English teacher to teach them punctuation and basic sentence structure.

 

[Bear513]

It had to rough for the idiot kids not having a dad around to teach them how to use tools....almost as hard as growing up without an English teacher to teach them punctuation and basic sentence structure.

I wasn't teaching them a made up language as english...

 

[Saintamaniac]

Thr left glorified single Parenthood the past 40 years to the point the US is number one in the world of Abortions, single parents and gun deaths

Ok. I had a good laugh at the poster's expense but now it's time to be serious.

The claim that "the left glorified single parenthood the last 40 years" is false. Not only is it false it's made up. It's not a real claim. It's something that the you might want to be true so that you can state it in an attempt to blame single parent households on Democrats.

Democratic administrations have done far more to help and support single parent households than any Republican administration. The introduction of drugs into minority communities in the 1970's under the Nixon administration directly led to increase and spike in male incarceration and therefore single parent households.

Secondly, saying the US is number one in the world for (not of) abortions is like saying the US is number one in the world for heart transplant surgeries. Want to know why? Because abortion and heart transplants are both medical procedures that are perfectly legal in the US. Are heart surgeries something we should be ashamed of leading the world in? You don't have to answer that; I was making a point.

Lastly, the US leads the world in gun deaths because Republicans have been bought and paid for by the NRA and refuse to work to adopt even the most common sense gun legislation. Even after elementary children and church goers have been murdered in cold blood, Republicans hold firm in protecting the profits of their gun overloads.

If you are going to make unsubstantiated BS claims, be prepared to defend your claims with actual proof.

 

[Saintamaniac]

I wasn't teaching them a made up language as english...

I'm confused. Is English your second language? If so, I apologize.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

English is a 'made up' language? Like Klingon or Elvish?

 

[zztop]

If you are going to make unsubstantiated BS claims, be prepared to defend your claims with actual proof.

I think, based off existing post history, chances are slim to none of this happening ^
kudos for trying though

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I wasn't teaching them a made up language as english...

All languages are made up. They didn't appear fully formed in our brains...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Good article
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Everyone loves a good adoption story. You know: the rags-to-riches tale of a baby found on the street and placed in a loving home, who becomes a lawyer, or a teacher, and one day has a family of their own.

I’m well-acquainted with this story because it’s the narrative people imagine when they hear about my life. But it’s far from the whole truth.

I’m a Korean transracial adoptee and mother of two Korean adoptees. I’ve seen adoption fables used for entertainment, profit and politics, most recently by the Supreme Court as it debates the constitutional right to abortion — and as some of its members exalt adoption as a righteous and practical alternative.

Those justices are wrong. Adoption is not an answer to a problem, but a result of two choices: the choice to remain pregnant and the choice not to raise a child…..

In 2019, there were about 630,000 reported abortions in the United States. Now imagine hundreds of thousands of pregnant people forced by new restrictions to give birth.

If they choose to raise their children, they will do so in a country devoid of sufficient support, where the federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour and affordable child care measures are stalled.

If they opt for adoption — a choice that is in fact rare — they still risk long-term physical, psychological and social challenges. This is not a real choice.


Then there are the adoptees. In 2019, there were roughly 115,000 domestic adoptions in the United States. In the same year, more than 122,000 children waited in foster care for adoption; the average wait for a child to be placed in a home was 31 months. By the numbers alone, we are already failing our most vulnerable children.


Among those who oppose abortion, the children’s very existence is often cast as a happy ending. But it’s not that simple.


Children in the foster system often experience the disruption of multiple placements and are likely to contend with significant mental health problems.

Studies have shown that adoptees — who struggle with attachment, identity and the trauma of institutionalization — are four times as likely to attempt suicide as non-adoptees……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/20/adoption-not-fairy-tale-alternative-to-abortion/

 

[Optimus Prime]

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — As he aborted 11 pregnancies at a clinic here one busy Friday this month, Aaron Campbell also was training a medical student in a procedure that soon could be outlawed in this state and many others.

Case by case, he narrated the nuances of pelvic examination, pain-blocking injection, cervical dilation and, ultimately, the removal of embryonic or fetal tissue.


Lindsey Gorman observed throughout and participated when appropriate, under Campbell’s guidance. With her hands she checked the size and tilt of the uterus. She also practiced ultrasound techniques and used speculums, swabs and local anesthetic to prepare patients.

The student from Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine in Pennsylvania was the seventh trainee to work with him in the past year, following medical residents from East Tennessee State University and the University of Tennessee’s teaching hospital in Knoxville.


Campbell and other abortion providers are racing to train the next wave of specialists in the field as the days tick toward a Supreme Court decision that could imperil the legal foundation of their practice and lead to upheaval across the country for education and training in reproductive health.


Barring a surprise ruling, a geographic split looms: Some states will provide full access to abortion training for medical residents and students. Some will have limited access. And some will have virtually no access without long-distance travel.

That, in turn, could influence where many doctors, especially those focused on obstetrics and gynecology, choose to live and work……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/06/20/abortion-training-medical-school/

 

[SamAndreas]

I've been sitting on the edge of my chair watching the live chat at SCOUTUS Blog. This is the third time I've done that on opinion days. And still no opinion for this case. YET! Today is not over.

It's just about got to be today or next week. Or an unusual release of the opinion out of turn.

This is the link: https://www.scotusblog.com/

It's time for me to go back there and hit refresh on that tab. Maybe it will be now,

Nope, not yet. Larry Tribe just posted:

"Chekhov: when you see a gun on the table in act one, that means it will fire before the play is over."

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I've been sitting on the edge of my chair watching the live chat at SCOUTUS Blog. This is the third time I've done that on opinion days. And still no opinion for this case. YET! Today is not over.

It's just about got to be today or next week. Or an unusual release of the opinion out of turn.

This is the link: https://www.scotusblog.com/

It's time for me to go back there and hit refresh on that tab. Maybe it will be now,

Nope, not yet. Larry Tribe just posted:

"Chekhov: when you see a gun on the table in act one, that means it will fire before the play is over."

Didn't the term leak a little into July last year? What's the likelihood it happens again?

 

[Farb]

Minors have been determined to not be of a mind to give informed consent. So they are not physiologically capable of making that decision for themselves. It is the same reason we don’t punish them the same as adults for crimes.

To your other question: Whereas I live in a state that offers death with dignity, there is a strong argument to be made against the state sanctioning anyone’s death, condoned or not.

Why does this argument of 'informed consent' and a minor not being of mind enough not apply to changing genders? (yes, I got side tracked again but this seems to be a prevailing theme for the left. Each stance seems to contradict another stance, and only bigots point it out).

 

[Farb]

Are you asking this question to make me defend my stance or because you don't know? Neither is a good look.



bullshirt. This is a common situation with you. Someone asks a question and you respond with everything but an actual answer. Then they respond to what you said while asking the question again, and you answer with a question of your own. It's almost as bad as-



- this.

I didn't bring up Judaism. UTJ posted a link about the synagogue suing over the abortion law signed in Florida and you responded to it. You said, "So who wins in the tug of war between the Jewish faith and the Catholic faith?"

I didn't bring the damn thing up. You were the first to make the connection between laws and religious freedom. Your dishonesty is astounding.

It is a bad look to ask you to explain your position on a message board? LOL.
So, you can' answer becasue your answer will have an effect on another topic you were told to care about.

Sorry, I was under the impression you kept asking to me to explain why my religious belief are more important than a jewish sect that supports abortion.

 

[Farb]

No, I support getting rid of it entirely.



If this happened, would you be ok with giving up all of your guns?

All my guns? Can I no longer hunt? But yeah, probably so.

 

[Farb]

I bet the abortion industry doesn't make as much as the religion industry. And, yes, I think we have evolved past the concept of the nuclear family. I'm not sure the 'primitive state' argument is correct because I doubt early man was monogamous... although I'm assuming you ascribe to the theory of evolution and not creationism.

Blaming fatherless homes is a red herring. You can learn values from anyone -- even in single parent families.

All the data show that fatherless homes are not a red herring.

I disagree with you on the nuclear family. I think the left desperately wants that to be the case in their ever long march on western civilization. I beg the left to run on that and be open about it and not try and hide it BLM did. Own it. I think you will see a tremendous push back from the American people.

 

[CoolBrees]

Why does this argument of 'informed consent' and a minor not being of mind enough not apply to changing genders? (yes, I got side tracked again but this seems to be a prevailing theme for the left. Each stance seems to contradict another stance, and only bigots point it out).

I am glad we both agree that only bigots point it out.

To your actual question - ask your congressperson to change the informed consent laws if you feel that decision is wrong. As current laws stand, you can’t get married until a certain age and only then with parental consent. You can decide the person you want to be however.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is a bad look to ask you to explain your position on a message board? LOL.

If it was my position on whether or not pineapple belongs on pizza, fine. I would imagine that my stance against child brides should be universally understood, though.

So, you can' answer becasue your answer will have an effect on another topic you were told to care about.

No. I refuse to answer because it's ridiculous to ask someone to defend why they think outlawing child marriage is a good thing.

Sorry, I was under the impression you kept asking to me to explain why my religious belief are more important than a jewish sect that supports abortion.

I was asking that because it was two opposing sides of an argument making arguments for and against a bill based on their religious beliefs, which are protected in this country. It's an interesting topic to discuss when both parties do so honestly.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

All my guns? Can I no longer hunt? But yeah, probably so.

So you agree that unfettered firearm ownership is not a right we should have, then, as you would support giving up your own if the government forcibly removes them from people deemed to be criminals.