Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Optimus Prime]

More women chose to have their tubes tied after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022, a new study shows, and the biggest increases were in states that ban abortion.

A research letter published Wednesday in JAMA examined insurance claims data from 2021 and 2022 for around 4.8 million women who got tubal ligations, which are surgeries to close the fallopian tubes so the patient can no longer get pregnant. The data came from 36 states and Washington, D.C., and researchers categorized these places as “banned,” “limited” or “protected,” based on their abortion policies.

In the 18 months before the Dobbs decision in late June 2022, tubal ligations remained stable in all three groups of states. But in the latter half of 2022, the procedure rose in all three groups. Researchers also looked at sustained change in the numbers over time, finding that tubal ligations rose by 3% each month in banned states.…..

More women had their tubes tied after Roe v. Wade was overturned

A new study shows that more women chose to have their tubes tied after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022.

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[Taurus]

More women chose to have their tubes tied after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022, a new study shows, and the biggest increases were in states that ban abortion.

A research letter published Wednesday in JAMA examined insurance claims data from 2021 and 2022 for around 4.8 million women who got tubal ligations, which are surgeries to close the fallopian tubes so the patient can no longer get pregnant. The data came from 36 states and Washington, D.C., and researchers categorized these places as “banned,” “limited” or “protected,” based on their abortion policies.

In the 18 months before the Dobbs decision in late June 2022, tubal ligations remained stable in all three groups of states. But in the latter half of 2022, the procedure rose in all three groups. Researchers also looked at sustained change in the numbers over time, finding that tubal ligations rose by 3% each month in banned states.…..

More women had their tubes tied after Roe v. Wade was overturned

A new study shows that more women chose to have their tubes tied after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022.

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Wait until the choads ban that, too.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Wait until the choads ban that, too.

it's already pretty hard from what i understand. i know multiple women who weren't married who already had a child beg their doctors to do it and they refused saying they may get remarried and change their mind, basically saying i won't do it because the choice really belongs to a man you haven't met yet .

 

[MT15]

I just saw a video online from a nurse (I think) that finally explains where the talk of “abortion after birth” comes from. It’s worse than I thought - because I just thought it was made up out of nothing.

She said - they’re talking about palliative care - when a child is born with a fatal congenital defect or disease. When there is no hope for survival doctors allow the parents to forego life-prolonging measures (that often inflict pain and suffering). They will set up a place where the parents can hold their baby privately. Tell them they love them and be with them while they pass.

This is what they have perverted into “abortion after birth”. I didn’t think I could feel more repulsion for them, but this realization has proved me wrong. They are so cruel, so breathtakingly heartless.

 

[Booker]

I just saw a video online from a nurse (I think) that finally explains where the talk of “abortion after birth” comes from. It’s worse than I thought - because I just thought it was made up out of nothing.

She said - they’re talking about palliative care - when a child is born with a fatal congenital defect or disease. When there is no hope for survival doctors allow the parents to forego life-prolonging measures (that often inflict pain and suffering). They will set up a place where the parents can hold their baby privately. Tell them they love them and be with them while they pass.

This is what they have perverted into “abortion after birth”. I didn’t think I could feel more repulsion for them, but this realization has proved me wrong. They are so cruel, so breathtakingly heartless.

It traces back to something former Virgina governor Ralph Northam said, but that’s basically what he was speaking of and it got twisted…

Posts distort former Virginia governor’s comments on third trimester abortions

Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia on WTOP, a news radio station serving the Washington Metropolitan area.

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[wardorican]

Former president Donald Trump certainly recognizes that he’s in a tricky position on abortion. Running for president in 2016 and seeking to bolster his support among religious conservatives, he promised to nominate justices to the Supreme Court who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade’s protection of access to abortion. He did; they did. And now he’s running for president again, part of his record being that he’s the guy who upended the ability of women to have access to the procedure.

Trump has tried to spin this legacy as a demonstration of his ability to get things done.

“What we're doing is bringing it back to the states where everybody wanted it,” he said during an interview at the National Association of Black Journalists convention this summer. “Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives, everybody wanted abortion brought back. They didn't want Roe v. Wade in the federal government. They wanted it — everybody wanted it back.”

This is untrue for various reasons, particularly that Democrats and liberals were not asking that legal protections for abortion access be reversed. But it’s where Trump has landed: a 10th Amendment, states'-rights rationale for what he did while serving as president.

If there’s one thing that American history demonstrates, though, it’s that a lack of federal protections allows states to finagle the rules, should they want to, to achieve the outcome they’re looking for. “Letting states decide” theoretically means letting state residents decide, but generally, instead, means letting elected representatives decide. And that often means having partisan actors use the rules to secure or protect their own power.

What has “let the states decide” on abortion looked like in practice?

It has meant that Republicans on Michigan's Board of State Canvassers blocked ballot access for a constitutional amendment protecting access to abortion two years ago because some presentations of the ballot language lacked clear spaces between the words. The state Supreme Court ultimately allowed the amendment to be put before voters.

It has meant an effort by Ohio's Republican secretary of state to present loaded language to voters considering an amendment protecting abortion in that state. The Republican-majority legislature also created a special election before the vote on the abortion amendment with the goal of making it harder to amend the state constitution.

In both of those cases, the efforts ultimately failed and voters were allowed to vote on the question. In each case — as in each of seven such electoral tests since Roe was overturned — supporters of increasing access to abortion were victorious.............

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Yeah, if I pull away from my feelings/thoughts on abortion... the biggest problem these Republicans caused was to take it too far. Making it either illegal or questionable (thus freezing doctors) for IVF, cases of incest/rape, and even health of the mother faces unreasonable scrutiny in some cases. Then, you get into these cases of a miscarriage and likely all of the extra red tape to make sure it really is. Making innsome cases where a morning after pill or even outright birth control is an issue.

If you want to minimize abortions, you minimize unwanted pregnancies. And they took far too many tools out of the tool kit.

 

[wardorican]

it's already pretty hard from what i understand. i know multiple women who weren't married who already had a child beg their doctors to do it and they refused saying they may get remarried and change their mind, basically saying i won't do it because the choice really belongs to a man you haven't met yet .

Correct. And in enough cases, the doctors end up being right. So, it's a mixed bag and not a decision to be taken lightly.

Of course that should be between the patient and the doctor.

 

[MT15]

Correct. And in enough cases, the doctors end up being right. So, it's a mixed bag and not a decision to be taken lightly.

Of course that should be between the patient and the doctor.

A woman shouldn’t have to “beg permission” from her doctor for an elective sterilization procedure.

I’m not talking about a discussion between the doctor and patient to make sure that the patient understands what they are asking for. Doctors have just flat refused to provide women with those procedures. I don’t think doctors are having these same issues performing vasectomies.

It’s been a double standard.

 

[LA - L.A.]

A woman shouldn’t have to “beg permission” from her doctor for an elective sterilization procedure.

I’m not talking about a discussion between the doctor and patient to make sure that the patient understands what they are asking for. Doctors have just flat refused to provide women with those procedures. I don’t think doctors are having these same issues performing vasectomies.

It’s been a double standard.

It's completely a breeding thing. Every hunter and breeder of animals knows that the females are the key to sustainable breeding. You can kill every male except one and still sustain breeding as long as you have a bunch of fertile females.

Yes, I used very crass language, because it completely fits the main motivation of the movement against women's reproductive rights which includes abortion rights.

 

[Optimus Prime]

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — A state judge struck down North Dakota’s ban on abortion Thursday, saying that the state constitution creates a fundamental right to access abortion before a fetus is viable.

In his ruling, state District Judge Bruce Romanick also said that the law violates the state constitution because it is too vague.

Romanick was ruling on a request from the state to dismiss a lawsuit filed against the ban in 2022 by what at the time was the sole abortion clinic in North Dakota. The clinic has sinced moved across the border to Minnesota, and the state argued that a trial wouldn’t make a difference. The judge had canceled a trial set for August…….

North Dakota judge strikes down the state's abortion ban

A state judge has struck down North Dakota’s ban on abortion, saying that the state constitution creates a fundamental right to access abortion before a fetus is viable.

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[Bigdaddysaints]

Correct. And in enough cases, the doctors end up being right. So, it's a mixed bag and not a decision to be taken lightly.

Of course that should be between the patient and the doctor.

but in more cases, they felt like it wasn't right not letting them do it.
sure some may regret it later, but that is life. there isn't a single person on this earth that hasn't made a decision that deeply regret. hindsight is always 20/20..

 

[Optimus Prime]

A former Trump administration staffer, now a senior adviser in the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 team, accidentally made a case for abortion rights in a failed attempt to undermine an answer by Kamala Harris during Tuesday’s presidential debate.

John McEntee, who served as Donald Trump’s director of White House personnel, is one of the founders of The Right Stuff, a right-wing dating site, and has a large following on TikTok.

His posts feature him sitting at a table, eating, across from the camera, presumably to mimic a date-like setting, while he makes a glib and offensive right-wing talking point, often misogynistic or racist.

In a post this week, which has 1.8 million views on TikTok, he says: “Can someone track down the women Kamala Harris says are bleeding out in parking lots because Roe v Wade was overturned?”

“Don’t hold your breath,” he adds, flippantly.

Well, he could have held his breath because the replies came in thick and fast.

The post now has more than 17,000 comments and they are almost all women sharing their stories of being turned away from emergency rooms in agony, bleeding out in parking lots, at home, in public bathrooms, and sometimes for months afterward.

Others talk about miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, losing their ability to have children, and driving across multiple states to get treatment where it was still legal — often while hemorrhaging. Most of the stories appear to involve wanted or planned pregnancies.…..

Project 2025 adviser unwittingly highlights cruelty of abortion bans with glib TikTok

Derisive TikTok post received viral response from women who have suffered since end of Roe v Wade

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[Optimus Prime]

Guess this can go here. Pregnancy related not abortion
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As the pregnant woman’s contractions rolled in every two minutes, staff at Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, dispatched an ambulance to send her elsewhere.

Just two minutes later, she gave birth to a 6-pound baby girl in the cab of the ambulance down the road from the 900-bed hospital.

The incident, government investigators concluded last year, was a violation of a federal law that requires emergency rooms to stabilize patients in medical distress before discharging or transferring them.

Yet, Our Lady of the Lake has never been been penalized for that incident or any of its other violations of the law. Few emergency rooms ever are.

Just a dozen hospitals have been fined for refusing to treat patients — pregnant or not — over the past two years, an Associated Press analysis of civil monetary penalties issued by the U.S. Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General found. It took years for the government to decide those penalties.

Not one of the more than 100 emergency rooms that mistreated or turned away pregnant women since 2022, when the Biden administration pledged to toughen enforcement of the law, has been fined.

“What little we know about the investigations have yielded very rare results,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a George Washington University health law and policy professor……

Feds rarely punish hospitals for turning away pregnant patients

An Associated Press analysis has found that hospitals are rarely fined for violating a federal law that is supposed to guarantee that patients with medical emergencies get the treatment they need.

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[MT15]

ProPublica has uncovered 2 preventable deaths due to the abortion bans in GA. This article is stunning in the disregard for the woman’s life when she needed a D&C after an incomplete abortion. They literally let her die, watched her die, when a simple D&C would have saved her. She left a 6 yo son.

 

[Optimus Prime]

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A political committee behind the campaign to pass a constitutional right to abortion in Florida has filed a lawsuit against a state health care agency that it alleges is carrying out a taxpayer-funded “misinformation” campaign against the November ballot measure.

Critics say the state-backed messaging push is the latest “dirty trick” by Republican officials in Florida to thwart the citizen-led initiative to protect abortion in the country’s third-largest state. Nearly a million Floridians signed petitions to get the measure known as Amendment 4 on the ballot, surpassing the more than 891,500 signatures required by the state.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida and Southern Legal Counsel filed the lawsuit in a Leon County circuit court on Thursday on behalf of Floridians Protecting Freedom, Inc., the organization behind Amendment 4.

The lawsuit targets a website, television and radio ads created by Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration to give Floridians “the truth” about the proposed constitutional amendment. If approved by at least 60% of Florida voters, Amendment 4 would make abortions legal until the fetus is viable, as determined by the patient’s health care provider.

The website launched this month states that “Amendment 4 threatens women’s safety" and defends Florida’s current law, which bans most abortions after six weeks, under a banner that reads “Florida is Protecting Life” and “Don’t let the fearmongers lie to you.”

In the legal filing, attorneys for the abortion rights campaign called on the court to immediately halt the messaging push and what they argue is the unlawful use of taxpayer funds by state officials in service of a political campaign, actions which they claim are infringing on the rights of Florida voters...........

Florida sued for using taxpayer money on website promoting GOP spin on abortion initiative

A political committee behind the campaign to pass a constitutional right to abortion in Florida has filed a lawsuit against a state health care agency that it alleges is carrying out a taxpayer-funded “misinformation” campaign against the November ballot measure.

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[MT15]

Lawrence did his opening monologue tonight about Amber Thurman, who is the woman killed by Trump’s abortion ban in GA. This happened very soon after the GA ban was signed into law, but we are just now hearing about it. Her family was not informed exactly why she died or that her death was most certainly preventable by the doctor or hospital. They found out when ProPublica obtained the file, which was the result of her death being ruled preventable by a commission set up by the state of GA to study why their maternal health outcomes are so bad. Watch the GOP now disband this commission so that nobody will ever find out about these cases.

I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach thinking about this. This is the intended effect of these laws, if we are going to be honest. Anti-abortionists are perfectly fine with women dying - as long as abortion care remains unavailable. They knew this would happen - IS happening still to this day. They were informed. They KNEW and let it happen anyway. Women are not full people - they exist for one purpose. They’ve made that abundantly clear.

This is happening in every state that has one of the Trump abortion bans. We just don’t hear about it. Hospitals don’t inform families of the real reason for the death. And even when the outcome isn’t death, how many women lose the ability to have children after a raging infection that didn’t quite kill them?

It’s monstrous. And they KNEW. I will never get over this.

 

[coldseat]

Lawrence did his opening monologue tonight about Amber Thurman, who is the woman killed by Trump’s abortion ban in GA. This happened very soon after the GA ban was signed into law, but we are just now hearing about it. Her family was not informed exactly why she died or that her death was most certainly preventable by the doctor or hospital. They found out when ProPublica obtained the file, which was the result of her death being ruled preventable by a commission set up by the state of GA to study why their maternal health outcomes are so bad. Watch the GOP now disband this commission so that nobody will ever find out about these cases.

I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach thinking about this. This is the intended effect of these laws, if we are going to be honest. Anti-abortionists are perfectly fine with women dying - as long as abortion care remains unavailable. They knew this would happen - IS happening still to this day. They were informed. They KNEW and let it happen anyway. Women are not full people - they exist for one purpose. They’ve made that abundantly clear.

This is happening in every state that has one of the Trump abortion bans. We just don’t hear about it. Hospitals don’t inform families of the real reason for the death. And even when the outcome isn’t death, how many women lose the ability to have children after a raging infection that didn’t quite kill them?

It’s monstrous. And they KNEW. I will never get over this.

Texas has among the worst maternal health outcomes in the US and it's all but ignored by the state government and people living here.

 

[MT15]

Texas has among the worst maternal health outcomes in the US and it's all but ignored by the state government and people living here.

Imagine how many women have died in TX, where we will probably not find out.