Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

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Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

Hadley was raped from the age of 5 in her own home and became pregnant at 12. She was able to obtain an abortion. Anti-abortionists need to listen to her story and imagine forcing her to carry the pregnancy caused by her abuser in a body that isn’t ready for that.

 

[Optimus Prime]

There are other names, but this is the one we know: Amber Thurman has become the first woman whose death was preventable in relation to an abortion ban since Dobbs.

Her name and story have become public as reporting by ProPublica’s Kavitha Surana details how Thurman, a Black 28-year-old mother to a young son who had dreams of becoming a nurse, died a painful, preventable death in Georgia after doctors at a hospital there refused to perform a simple procedure that could have saved her life – because the law did not allow them.

The story highlights the reality of abortion bans, which – even in states like Georgia, with putative exceptions for maternal health – in practice impose death sentences on women who seek to end their pregnancies, or who experience severe complications.

They force doctors to choose between medical best practices and their own legal protection – and in the process, the lives of women are treated as alarmingly disposable.

Thurman, who lived in Georgia, died just weeks after her state’s abortion ban went into effect. She had just established a new degree of stability for herself and her young son when she discovered that she was pregnant with twins in 2022.

As her pregnancy had already progressed beyond her state’s gestational limit, she took a road trip to North Carolina with her best friend, where a clinic gave her abortion pills. Abortion pills have very low rates of complications but rare problems do occur.

In Thurman’s case, not all of the pregnancy tissue had been expelled from her uterus, and she arrived in a Georgia ER with bleeding, pain and falling blood pressure – the telltale signs of an infection.

Thurman could have been cured with a D&C, or dilation and curettage, a procedure in which the cervix is dilated to create an opening through which instruments can be inserted to empty out the contents of a uterus.

The procedure is a popular form of abortion, but it is also a routine part of miscarriage and other gynecological care. If the tissue was promptly removed, she probably would have been fine: a D&C requires no special equipment and takes only about 15 minutes.


But Georgia’s abortion ban outlawed the D&C procedure, making it a felony to perform except in cases of managing a “spontaneous” or “naturally occurring” miscarriage. Because Thurman had taken abortion pills, her miscarriage was illegal to treat.

She suffered in a hospital bed for 20 hours, developing sepsis and beginning to experience organ failure. By the time the Georgia doctors were finally willing to treat her, it was too late.

We don’t know how many other women have died because of abortion bans. Such cases are often shrouded in secrecy, stigma and confidentiality.

And few families, let alone those grieving the loss of vibrant, loving young women, are willing to subject themselves to the smears and scrutiny that coming forward about abortion ban deaths will inevitably entail.

But we will also not know because ban states, where these deaths are taking place, are not incentivized to reveal them. Thurman’s death was ruled preventable by a state maternal mortality review board.

But it was only ProPublica’s reporting that made the cause of her death public. Not even her family were told that Amber could have been saved: the state did not bother to inform them, and they learned from ProPublica’s reporter…….

Amber Thurman was killed by Georgia's abortion ban. There will be others | Moira Donegan

Thurman, a 28-year-old mother, died because Georgia barred doctors from doing a simple procedure to save her life

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

There HAVE been others and there WILL be others unless we can get our rights back. We don’t hear about them, but they’re just as dead or just as damaged.

 

[Optimus Prime]

There HAVE been others and there WILL be others unless we can get our rights back. We don’t hear about them, but they’re just as dead or just as damaged.

The fact that the family wasn't informed is infuriating

 

[coldseat]

The fact that the family wasn't informed is infuriating

I think it's an indication of the shame of those doctors and that hospital, because they know they could have saved her with an easy procedure. They also needed to try to cover it up for malpractice reasons.

It's also and indication of the fear that those doctors and that hospital have that the state government is going to go after them.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I think it's an indication of the shame of those doctors and that hospital, because they know they could have saved her with an easy procedure. They also needed to try to cover it up for malpractice reasons.

It's also and indication of the fear that those doctors and that hospital have that the state government is going to go after them.

Don't all these abortion bans say "unless the life of the mother is at stake"?

Seems pretty cut and dried that that was the case here

it also seems to me that not doing this simple procedure that would have saved her life is also malpractice

 

[MT15]

The days where doctors have an independent practice are all but over. Most are part of a corporate-owned practice- they’re employees not owners, in some ways.

There may be profit-sharing, but individual doctors don’t set practice guidelines - that’s done at the top. There are some good things about this approach - individual doctors are kept up with current best practices better and care plan improvements are rolled out to everyone. But in this case, clearly none of the doctors felt they could go against what the practice said. And for whatever reason nobody made the case to whoever had the power to make that decision in time to save her.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Just two years ago, leading anti-abortion activists were euphoric as the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, thus ending the nationwide right to abortion.

Now, with a presidential election fast approaching, their movement is disunited and worried. Within their own ranks, there is second-guessing and finger-pointing, plus trepidation that Election Day might provide new proof that their cause is broadly unpopular.

Michael New, an abortion opponent who teaches social research at The Catholic University of America, offered an overview of how the movement had fared since the Roe ruling in June 2022.

“Things have not necessarily unfolded as we would hope,” he wrote in an email to The Associated Press. “There is certainly a sense among pro-life leaders that we should have had a stronger post-Roe game plan in place.”

“I always remind fellow pro-lifers that we were never promised a smooth glide path to victory,” he added. “There will certainly be setbacks and disappointments along the way.”

A key reason for the wariness is the anti-abortion movement’s recent losing streak on abortion-related ballot measures in seven states, including conservative Kansas and Kentucky. Nine more states will consider constitutional amendments enshrining abortion rights in the Nov. 5 election — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and South Dakota. In several of them, abortion opponents tried various unsuccessful strategies for blocking the measures.

“Pro-life people don’t wear rose-colored glasses; we know we have a huge task ahead of us,” Carol Tobias, president of National Right to Life, told the AP. “Because of the massive amounts of money being dumped into the ballot measures from those allied with the abortion industry and the Democratic Party, it’s an uphill battle.”


“We will continue to educate, to make people aware of the catastrophic result if these measures pass,” she added. “I have not seen flagging energy or any loss of determination among pro-life people.”

Texas is among the Republican-governed states that have enacted near-total abortion bans. Yet nationally, Texas Right to Life president John Seago said, the anti-abortion movement “is in a critical chapter right now.”


“Following a historic legal victory, we have realized that while we had enjoyed massive legislative and legal victories in the last decade, public opinion had not followed the same trajectory,” he added.…

Euphoric two years ago, US anti-abortion movement is now divided and worried as election nears

Just two years ago, leading anti-abortion activists were euphoric after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 Roe v.

apnews.com

 

[bird]

Just two years ago, leading anti-abortion activists were euphoric as the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, thus ending the nationwide right to abortion.

Now, with a presidential election fast approaching, their movement is disunited and worried. Within their own ranks, there is second-guessing and finger-pointing, plus trepidation that Election Day might provide new proof that their cause is broadly unpopular.

Michael New, an abortion opponent who teaches social research at The Catholic University of America, offered an overview of how the movement had fared since the Roe ruling in June 2022.

“Things have not necessarily unfolded as we would hope,” he wrote in an email to The Associated Press. “There is certainly a sense among pro-life leaders that we should have had a stronger post-Roe game plan in place.”

“I always remind fellow pro-lifers that we were never promised a smooth glide path to victory,” he added. “There will certainly be setbacks and disappointments along the way.”

A key reason for the wariness is the anti-abortion movement’s recent losing streak on abortion-related ballot measures in seven states, including conservative Kansas and Kentucky. Nine more states will consider constitutional amendments enshrining abortion rights in the Nov. 5 election — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and South Dakota. In several of them, abortion opponents tried various unsuccessful strategies for blocking the measures.

“Pro-life people don’t wear rose-colored glasses; we know we have a huge task ahead of us,” Carol Tobias, president of National Right to Life, told the AP. “Because of the massive amounts of money being dumped into the ballot measures from those allied with the abortion industry and the Democratic Party, it’s an uphill battle.”


“We will continue to educate, to make people aware of the catastrophic result if these measures pass,” she added. “I have not seen flagging energy or any loss of determination among pro-life people.”

Texas is among the Republican-governed states that have enacted near-total abortion bans. Yet nationally, Texas Right to Life president John Seago said, the anti-abortion movement “is in a critical chapter right now.”


“Following a historic legal victory, we have realized that while we had enjoyed massive legislative and legal victories in the last decade, public opinion had not followed the same trajectory,” he added.…

Euphoric two years ago, US anti-abortion movement is now divided and worried as election nears

Just two years ago, leading anti-abortion activists were euphoric after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 Roe v.

apnews.com

Unless they support programs that help women after childbirth, they are not pro-life. They are anti-abortion which is fine but don’t act like you are pro-life when you are not.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

i tell that to people all the time and they don't like it..

 

[MT15]

Well, except anti-abortion isn’t fine. It leads to women suffering and dying.

 

[bird]

Well, except anti-abortion isn’t fine. It leads to women suffering and dying.

I get that and agree. Just pointing out that they are anti-abortion and not pro-life. They lack the honesty to admit that they are anti-abortion and not pro-life.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I get that and agree. Just pointing out that they are anti-abortion and not pro-life. They lack the honesty to admit that they are anti-abortion and not pro-life.

I’ve heard the term pro-birth

Once the kid is born they could care less

 

[Optimus Prime]

There are other names, but this is the one we know: Amber Thurman has become the first woman whose death was preventable in relation to an abortion ban since Dobbs.

Her name and story have become public as reporting by ProPublica’s Kavitha Surana details how Thurman, a Black 28-year-old mother to a young son who had dreams of becoming a nurse, died a painful, preventable death in Georgia after doctors at a hospital there refused to perform a simple procedure that could have saved her life – because the law did not allow them.

The story highlights the reality of abortion bans, which – even in states like Georgia, with putative exceptions for maternal health – in practice impose death sentences on women who seek to end their pregnancies, or who experience severe complications.

They force doctors to choose between medical best practices and their own legal protection – and in the process, the lives of women are treated as alarmingly disposable.

Thurman, who lived in Georgia, died just weeks after her state’s abortion ban went into effect. She had just established a new degree of stability for herself and her young son when she discovered that she was pregnant with twins in 2022.

As her pregnancy had already progressed beyond her state’s gestational limit, she took a road trip to North Carolina with her best friend, where a clinic gave her abortion pills. Abortion pills have very low rates of complications but rare problems do occur.

In Thurman’s case, not all of the pregnancy tissue had been expelled from her uterus, and she arrived in a Georgia ER with bleeding, pain and falling blood pressure – the telltale signs of an infection.

Thurman could have been cured with a D&C, or dilation and curettage, a procedure in which the cervix is dilated to create an opening through which instruments can be inserted to empty out the contents of a uterus.

The procedure is a popular form of abortion, but it is also a routine part of miscarriage and other gynecological care. If the tissue was promptly removed, she probably would have been fine: a D&C requires no special equipment and takes only about 15 minutes.


But Georgia’s abortion ban outlawed the D&C procedure, making it a felony to perform except in cases of managing a “spontaneous” or “naturally occurring” miscarriage. Because Thurman had taken abortion pills, her miscarriage was illegal to treat.

She suffered in a hospital bed for 20 hours, developing sepsis and beginning to experience organ failure. By the time the Georgia doctors were finally willing to treat her, it was too late.

We don’t know how many other women have died because of abortion bans. Such cases are often shrouded in secrecy, stigma and confidentiality.

And few families, let alone those grieving the loss of vibrant, loving young women, are willing to subject themselves to the smears and scrutiny that coming forward about abortion ban deaths will inevitably entail.

But we will also not know because ban states, where these deaths are taking place, are not incentivized to reveal them. Thurman’s death was ruled preventable by a state maternal mortality review board.

But it was only ProPublica’s reporting that made the cause of her death public. Not even her family were told that Amber could have been saved: the state did not bother to inform them, and they learned from ProPublica’s reporter…….

Amber Thurman was killed by Georgia's abortion ban. There will be others | Moira Donegan

Thurman, a 28-year-old mother, died because Georgia barred doctors from doing a simple procedure to save her life

www.theguardian.com

MTG weighs in

 

[Optimus Prime]

If you’re tired of breathlessly following the horserace polling of the presidential and congressional races, you might consider instead breathlessly following the horserace polling of ballot initiatives to protect reproductive rights. In a sense, they’re more revealing.

Pending some outstanding court challenges from Republicans – whose dogged commitment to “leaving this issue to the states” curiously disappears when they realize they’re going to lose – up to 10 states will have abortion referendumson the ballot this year.

And it happens that they’ll share that ballot with competitive Senate races in states like Montana, Nevada, Arizona, Florida and Maryland.

In Nevada and Arizona, which could also play a decisive role in the presidential race, a Fox News poll found that over 70% of voters in both states plan to vote in favor of codifying abortion rights.

Giving voters the opportunity to vote directly on abortion rights is a strategic win for progressives on a few levels.

Of course, in a time when 22 state legislatures have acted to restrict abortion access since Dobbs, it’s a powerfully effective way to protect the right to choose.

It also helps keep the subject in headlines when the Trump campaign would prefer voters to be distracted by mythical, racist claims about Haitian immigrants.

And perhaps most significantly, it could motivate otherwise unenthusiastic voters to show up for what seems to be yet another excruciatingly close election.

Ballot initiatives are a useful exercise in revealed preference. It has long been observed that millions of Americans end up voting against their economic self-interest each election cycle.

In presidential elections, voters choose candidates, not policy papers. It’s why swing voters were not compelled by the argument that Joe Biden could serve four more years as president because he “surrounds himself with the right people”.

Yet when voters have the chance to vote up or down on an issue that will directly impact their lives, they aren’t in the habit of denying themselves civil rights or quality of life improvements. And in the wake of Roe v Wadegetting overturned, that has proved especially true.…….

Abortion measures are on the ballot in 10 states this year. Democrats can win them | Katrina vanden Heuvel

Republicans’ worst fear is voters turning up in droves to support abortion rights in ballot referendums in swing states

www.theguardian.com

 

[bird]

MTG weighs in

Ah, good ole Empty Greene. Never one to let a situation where she can lie go to waste.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Like she needs your endorsement anyway you twerp...

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