Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If Biden's team is smart, one of these women appears with him in every red/purple state he visits. The attack has to be on the ENTIRE GOP, not just Trump. They are ALL ok with this, they're all culpable and should all be voted out.
Courting the black vote is all well and good, but they're a minority. Women are not. I think Joe should've announced his campaign at a burned-out women's clinic. I think that puts the most important issue to the most Americans right out front-and-center.

I think he should do the equivalent for all of the legal attacks on the rights of those who are not heterosexual and not traditional binary. We're at a point in our society that most people know and care about at least one person who is not heterosexual or is not traditional binary.

Make all of the economic, healthcare and national security arguments as usual, but do everything with a constant visual reminder of the people that are being stripped of rights and abused, and reminding people how many more people will be abused even worse if Trump and down ballot Republicans win their elections.

 

[DaveXA]

I think he should do the equivalent for all of the legal attacks on the rights of those who are not heterosexual and not traditional binary. We're at a point in our society that most people know and care about at least one person who is not heterosexual or is not traditional binary.

Make all of the economic, healthcare and national security arguments as usual, but do everything with a constant visual reminder of the people that are being stripped of rights and abused, and reminding people how many more people will be abused even worse if Trump and down ballot Republicans win their elections.

While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I'm not so sure there is that high enough percentage of open-minded people out there to rely heavily on this approach. There are many I know who don't accept the lifestyle choices even though they have children or siblings living it. People are weird. They'll "accept" them in person, but when they're in the voting booth, they're gonna vote whatever they think regardless.

Maybe more are willing to change their politics over that, but I'm not sure that's a big enough number.

Appealing to a broader number of women is probably the better approach.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I'm not so sure there is that high enough percentage of open-minded people out there to rely heavily on this approach. There are many I know who don't accept the lifestyle choices even though they have children or siblings living it. People are weird. They'll "accept" them in person, but when they're in the voting booth, they're gonna vote whatever they think regardless.

Maybe more are willing to change their politics over that, but I'm not sure that's a big enough number.

Appealing to a broader number of women is probably the better approach.

Going a step further, I know people in the community that will still vote Republican. There is a gay married woman in my family with adopted children who can't fathom voting Democrat.

 

[DaveXA]

Going a step further, I know people in the community that will still vote Republican. There is a gay married woman in my family with adopted children who can't fathom voting Democrat.

No doubt.

 

[SFIDC3]

If Biden's team is smart, one of these women appears with him in every red/purple state he visits. The attack has to be on the ENTIRE GOP, not just Trump. They are ALL ok with this, they're all culpable and should all be voted out.
Courting the black vote is all well and good, but they're a minority. Women are not. I think Joe should've announced his campaign at a burned-out women's clinic. I think that puts the most important issue to the most Americans right out front-and-center.

Completely agree.....the abortion issue is the most important one, it's barbaric what is happening in some of those moronically led states.....

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Republican lawmaker introduced a bill Tuesday to replace the term “fetus” in Idaho law with “preborn child.”

Rep. Julianne Young, R-Blackfoot, introduced the bill to the House State Affairs Committee on the second day of this year’s legislative session.

Young said the bill does not “change legal definitions” and is therefore not a policy change. The bill changes the wording in at least 70 different places in Idaho law.

“It does replace a medicalized term with a term that we all understand to be a person, which is the position of the state of Idaho,” Young told the committee.

Since the U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overturned Roe v. Wade, which ended the constitutional right to an abortion, Idaho has enacted some of the most limiting abortion laws in the country and almost entirely outlawed the procedure.

The state faces ongoing lawsuits over its abortion bans, and Republican lawmakers have discussed in recent months how the state’s exemptions apply to doctors who face medical decisions when the health of a pregnant patient is seriously threatened. Maternal-fetal medicine doctors have reported leaving the state over the laws.

Rep. Colin Nash, D-Boise, told Young that he wants to know whether the wording changes could convey further legal rights to fetuses. The bill has caused unease among abortion rights advocates, who fear that giving rights to fetuses would take rights away from pregnant people...........

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article284048728.html

MSN

 

[MT15]

The bill has caused unease among abortion rights advocates, who fear that giving rights to fetuses would take rights away from pregnant people...........

Yeah, that happened the minute they banned abortion health care.

 

[Taurus]

Yeah, that happened the minute they banned abortion health care.

Yeah, I'm like "fear"?? You guys damn well *know* it will.

 

[LA - L.A.]

There are many I know who don't accept the lifestyle choices even though they have children or siblings living it.

I hope you don't think not being heterosexual or not being traditional binary is a lifestyle choice.

Appealing to a broader number of women is probably the better approach.

They aren't mutually exclusive groups. It's possible to appeal to all people by being a champion of the rights of all, including women and LGBTQIA+. Don't create competitions between people that don't have to exist.

 

[DaveXA]

I hope you don't think not being heterosexual or not being traditional binary is a lifestyle choice.

I'm just saying that's how most of them think.

They aren't mutually exclusive groups. It's possible to appeal to all people by being a champion of the rights of all, including women and LGBTQIA+. Don't create competitions between people that don't have to exist.

Not mutually exclusive, but you have to pick something to amplify the most. You need to amplify whatever motivates the most people to vote for the causes you support.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I'm just saying that's how most of them think.

Glad to hear it.

Not mutually exclusive, but you have to pick something to amplify the most. You need to amplify whatever motivates the most people to vote for the causes you support.

No, you don't have to pick one thing to amplify the most. That's actually a bad strategy, because if you aren't successful on that one issue, you lose.

Not all messages are spoken and some of the most influential aren't spoken. Everytime Biden gives a campaign speech, he should do it in a venue and surrounded by people that includes people who represent and remind people of women's rights, especially abortion, and LGBTQIA+ rights.

Biden is going to need young people to win, not just women, and a majority of young people care a lot about LGBTQIA+. Trump is going to get a substantial turnout of young people voting for him. Biden needs to counter that, especially with how many young people dissaprove of his handling of the Isreal Hamas conflict.

Remember the main reason Clint lost to Trump? Her campaign thought they didn't need to emphasize the issues that matter to people in the rust belt. Biden doesn't have the comfort of trying to win over just one or two large groups. He's got to try to win as many peopla as he can in every group.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trying to have it both ways
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Donald Trump, the former US president, boasted about the “miracle” of ending the constitutional right to abortion but warned that Republicans who tout extreme bans are being “decimated” in elections.

Trump was put on the spot on Wednesday during a Fox News town hall in Des Moines, Iowa, his latest attempt at counter-programming a Republican debate that was being shown on CNN at the same time.


A female voter, undecided between Trump and rival Ron DeSantis, raised concerns over the Republican frontrunner’s recent attempts to back awayfrom abortion restrictions unpopular in elections and opinion polls.


She said: “I’ve been vocal in celebrating with you all of your pro-life victories from the past but then in this campaign you’ve also blamed pro-lifers for some of the GOP losses around the country and you’ve called heartbeat laws like Iowa’s terrible.”

The voter added: “I’d just like some clarity on this because it’s such an important question to me. I’d like for you to reassure me that you can protect all life, every person’s right to life without compromise.”

Trump, sitting with co-hosts Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, sought to shore up his conservative credentials by taking credit for the 2022 overturning of Roe v Wade, the ruling that guaranteed the right to abortion nationwide, by a supreme court with three Trump-appointed justices.

“You wouldn’t be asking that question, even talking about the issue, because for 54 years they were trying to get Roe v Wade terminated and I did it and I’m proud to have done it,” he said. “Nobody else was going to get that done but me and we did it and we did something that was a miracle.”

But as he has in recent campaign rallies, Trump also struck a note of caution. “Now I happen to be for the exceptions, like Ronald Reagan, with the life of the mother, rape, incest. I just have to be there, I feel. I think probably 78% or so, a poll, about 78%. It was Ronald Reagan. He was for it. I was for it.

“But I will say this: you have to win elections. Otherwise you’re going to be back where you were, and you can’t let that ever happen again. You’ve got to win elections.”


Trump suggested that Florida governor DeSantis’s decision to sign a six-week abortion ban could be one of the reasons for his drop in the polls ahead of Monday’s first presidential nomination contest in Iowa.

“A lot of people say, if you talk five or six weeks, a lot of women don’t know if they’re pregnant in five or six weeks,” he said. “I want to get something where people are happy. You know, this has been tearing our country apart for 50 years. Nobody’s been able to do anything.”

Trump went on to claim that Democrats were “the radicals” and repeated his false claim that they are willing to kill babies in the eighth or ninth month or pregnancy or even after birth.

The exchange illustrated how Trump, who has a long history of veering between “pro-choice” and “pro-life” positions, is attempting to walk a fine line between his conservative base and electoral expediency.…..

Donald Trump claims credit for ‘miracle’ of overturning right to abortion

Ex-president tries to walk fine line on issue, saying Republicans with extreme positions have been ‘decimated’ in elections

www.theguardian.com

 

[Taurus]

No, you don't have to pick one thing to amplify the most. That's actually a bad strategy, because if you aren't successful on that one issue, you lose.

Not all messages are spoken and some of the most influential aren't spoken. Everytime Biden gives a campaign speech, he should do it in a venue and surrounded by people that includes people who represent and remind people of women's rights, especially abortion, and LGBTQIA+ rights.

Biden is going to need young people to win, not just women, and a majority of young people care a lot about LGBTQIA+. Trump is going to get a substantial turnout of young people voting for him. Biden needs to counter that, especially with how many young people dissaprove of his handling of the Isreal Hamas conflict.

Remember the main reason Clint lost to Trump? Her campaign thought they didn't need to emphasize the issues that matter to people in the rust belt. Biden doesn't have the comfort of trying to win over just one or two large groups. He's got to try to win as many peopla as he can in every group.

When you're standing in a black church, explicitly discussing black issues, you know what you aren't doing? A damn thing as far as white people and women are concerned.

You only get so many chances to engage your voters. I get that the minority vote is a crucial bloc for a Democrat, but it's not nearly as large as the female demographic.

 

[DaveXA]

Glad to hear it.


No, you don't have to pick one thing to amplify the most. That's actually a bad strategy, because if you aren't successful on that one issue, you lose.

Not all messages are spoken and some of the most influential aren't spoken. Everytime Biden gives a campaign speech, he should do it in a venue and surrounded by people that includes people who represent and remind people of women's rights, especially abortion, and LGBTQIA+ rights.

Biden is going to need young people to win, not just women, and a majority of young people care a lot about LGBTQIA+. Trump is going to get a substantial turnout of young people voting for him. Biden needs to counter that, especially with how many young people dissaprove of his handling of the Isreal Hamas conflict.

Remember the main reason Clint lost to Trump? Her campaign thought they didn't need to emphasize the issues that matter to people in the rust belt. Biden doesn't have the comfort of trying to win over just one or two large groups. He's got to try to win as many peopla as he can in every group.

I dunno. I'm not convinced, although your argument sounds persuasive. I just think you'll need to focus most on issues that affect the largest parts of the population. The economy, national security, the broader overall tax policy, health care (including abortion) and the like. J6, civil rights, SCOTUS (except for the abortion issue) and such, people are either entrenched or don't care about the issue. There's not much that can move voters on those issues, so those would be secondary messages. Not saying to eliminate them, but to amplify the former group of issues and have the latter as part of the platform, but not make it a focus on the campaign trail.

 

[coldseat]

Trump is going to get a substantial turnout of young people voting for him.

Why is this? What exactly is Trump's message to young people that is going to get them to turn out for him?

I'm asking this honestly not because I'm challenging you, but because I've seen some polls and others have been saying the same. Still, I just don't see what message Trump or his campaign is sending to young people that is going to get them to turn out for him at substantially higher numbers than in previous elections.

I'm just have no idea what would be motivating young people to vote for Trump. Nothing he supports or would do would be good for them. Nothing!

 

[DaveXA]

Why is this? What exactly is Trump's message to young people that is going to get them to turn out for him?

I'm asking this honestly not because I'm challenging you, but because I've seen some polls and others have been saying the same. Still, I just don't see what message Trump or his campaign is sending to young people that is going to get them to turn out for him at substantially higher numbers than in previous elections.

I'm just have no idea what would be motivating young people to vote for Trump. Nothing he supports or would do would be good for them. Nothing!

I don't disagree, but you'd be surprised. There are a significant number of young people who enthusiastically support Trump. 2 of my kids are solidly Republican, one was a Trumper, and the other doesn't care for Trump but is a conservative. They both have tons of friends who love Trump. My other 2 are hard-core Democrats. Lol. We just don't talk much politics at home.

 

[coldseat]

I don't disagree, but you'd be surprised. There are a significant number of young people who enthusiastically support Trump. 2 of my kids are solidly Republican, one was a Trumper, and the other doesn't care for Trump but is a conservative. They both have tons of friends who love Trump. My other 2 are hard-core Democrats. Lol. We just don't talk much politics at home.

That still leaves my question about "why" unanswered. Do you know what it is about Trump that they connect with?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

That still leaves my question about "why" unanswered. Do you know what it is about Trump that they connect with?

their daddies telling them to...