Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (3 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Forced birth people are evil. I wouldn’t have said this before Roe got overturned. I thought they were well-intentioned but dictatorial about imposing their religious beliefs on other people who don’t share their particular theology. But they have revealed themselves. I will never consider that they have sincere beliefs again. They just want to control and punish women.

Please don't fall into the trap of thinking they all have the same motivations and that they all agree with what Paxton and the Texas government is doing. That's the same mistake as thinking that one black criminal means all blacks are criminal or that one LGBTQIA+ person committing a sexual offense means they all commit sexual offense.

Please don't respond to stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism with stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism. All that does is increase the amount of stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism in the world. We need less of that in the world, not more.

 

[samiam5211]

Please don't fall into the trap of thinking they all have the same motivations and that they all agree with what Paxton and the Texas government is doing. That's the same mistake as thinking that one black criminal means all blacks are criminal or that one LGBTQIA+ person committing a sexual offense means they all commit sexual offense.

Please don't respond to stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism with stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism. All that does is increase the amount of stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism in the world. We need less of that in the world, not more.

You are talking about immutable traits, like race and sexual orientation, and trying to equate it to a choice like being pro life or pro choice.

I think anyone who is pro life that isn't supporting Kate in this situation, deserves to be lumped in with the "forced birth" crowd. The good pro life folks need to use this opportunity to separate themselves from the extremists, and state their opposition for this Texas law.

 

[Taurus]

Please don't fall into the trap of thinking they all have the same motivations and that they all agree with what Paxton and the Texas government is doing. That's the same mistake as thinking that one black criminal means all blacks are criminal or that one LGBTQIA+ person committing a sexual offense means they all commit sexual offense.

Please don't respond to stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism with stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism. All that does is increase the amount of stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism in the world. We need less of that in the world, not more.

If the shoe fits.

I mean, if you're an everyday, regular Joe/Jane Texan and you think this is an obscenity, VOTE. THEM. OUT.

If you don't, you're complicit. That blood on your hands absolutely belongs there. Deal with it.

 

[coldseat]

Please don't fall into the trap of thinking they all have the same motivations and that they all agree with what Paxton and the Texas government is doing. That's the same mistake as thinking that one black criminal means all blacks are criminal or that one LGBTQIA+ person committing a sexual offense means they all commit sexual offense.

Please don't respond to stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism with stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism. All that does is increase the amount of stereotyping, prejudice and tribalism in the world. We need less of that in the world, not more.

If the shoe fits.

I mean, if you're an everyday, regular Joe/Jane Texan and you think this is an obscenity, VOTE. THEM. OUT.

If you don't, you're complicit. That blood on your hands absolutely belongs there. Deal with it.

People here in Texas, including woman, aren't even talking about this lady and her ordeal. It's like a collective myopic response.

 

[DaveXA]

People here in Texas, including woman, aren't even talking about this lady and her ordeal. It's like a collective myopic response.

Yeah, I mean, on a personal level I lean pro-life. But what Texas, and Paxton in particular is doing is a complete travesty.

 

[Incumbent]

She will likely die. The rank-and-file will send thoughts and prayers, then vote GOP yet again because God, Guns & Gays.

This reminds me of a flag I saw in an upper middle class neighborhood, when I was visiting family at Thanksgiving, that read: God, Guns and Trump. This pretty well captures the prevailing mindset in the place I grew up, which is the home district for Mike Johnson.

 

[Optimus Prime]

……….There is a tendency, in coverage of abortion law, for writers to try and discipline their language. The issue is fraught and passionate enough, the thinking goes, surrounded as it is by stigma, ignorance and misinformation.

There is one line of journalistic thought that holds that the best way to serve one’s readers, and to maintain their trust, is to write with as strict neutrality as the facts will allow.

If I were to follow that line, I would tell you that the case raises vexed and unresolved legal questions about the extent of medical exemptions to abortion bans, and that the actions of Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general, whose office intervened to prevent Cox from receiving an abortion, is signaling a maximalist view.

I might not mention, in the interest of neutrality, that among the Texas supreme court justices who denied Cox her abortion was John Devine, an extremist Christian conservative with a long history of anti-choice activism, including, according to his boast at a campaign event, being arrested 37 times in harassment actions outside abortion clinics.

But there is another line of thought that holds that euphemism is dishonesty, and that the effort to maintain journalistic neutrality in situations of grave injustice winds up obscuring more than it reveals.

If I were to follow this latter method, I would tell you plainly that, by refusing to let her end this pregnancy, Paxton and the state of Texas in effect allowed Kate Cox to be tortured, and that she was forced to flee to escape that torture…….

Kate Cox begged Texas to let her end a dangerous pregnancy. She won’t be the last | Moira Donegan

Two years ago, a woman like Cox was able to control her body on her own terms. Now, she has to go before a court and beg

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

This is what they want. They want women to die.

 

[MT15]

 

[V Chip]

Imagine that. We finally get Catholic Sharia law and, instead of a holy, beatific paradise, we have a horrorshow of cruelty and the degradation of the human spirit.

That's exactly what the Christofascists want, though. They won't say so publicly (well not often) but they are as happy as clams that people they consider evil have to suffer.

 

[DaveXA]

That's exactly what the Christofascists want, though. They won't say so publicly (well not often) but they are as happy as clams that people they consider evil have to suffer.

*some, too many, yes, but still some

 

[LA - L.A.]

You are talking about immutable traits, like race and sexual orientation, and trying to equate it to a choice like being pro life or pro choice.

No. I didn't. What I was saying is that assuming everyone who supports something supports it for the same reason is as much of a mistake as assuming that the actions of one person with an immutable trait is indicative of all of the people with that immutable trait.

I think anyone who is pro life that isn't supporting Kate in this situation, deserves to be lumped in with the "forced birth" crowd.

That's more logical and reasonable. The impression I got from the post I responded to was that all so called "forced birth" people support Paxton and the Texas Supreme Court's decision against Kate.

That's a logical fallacy and a major assumption that is prejudicial in nature.

I'm concerned that people, on this board and in my daily life, who were able to see and understand this as recently as a year ago, seem incapable of seeing it now. That does not bode well for the future well being of our society, our country and ourselves individually.

More and more people are getting more and more fighting mad with each other. Less and less people are able to recognize when they are being irrational. What's worse is that more and more people don't seem to even care if they are being irrational. They want what they want and they want to get it at any cost to anyone who they see as opposing them. The worst thing is that more and more people see anyone who isn't in full-throated, lock step support of them as being against them.

Just like it takes two to tango, it takes two to polarize.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If the shoe fits.

I mean, if you're an everyday, regular Joe/Jane Texan and you think this is an obscenity, VOTE. THEM. OUT.

If you don't, you're complicit. That blood on your hands absolutely belongs there. Deal with it.

49.999999999999999% of the voters can vote against them without being able to vote them out. It's irrational to blame every voter for the outcome of an election that is based on who wins the majority of votes. Also, the voters who don't like what Paxton and the Texas Supreme Court are currently doing, can't vote them out right now. They don't have that option.

 

[LA - L.A.]

People here in Texas, including woman, aren't even talking about this lady and her ordeal. It's like a collective myopic response.

Do you mean they aren't talking about it in your social circles or they aren't talking about it on the various media outlets?

How do you know what people are talking about in their social circles that are outside of your social circles? I have a friend in Houston/Spring and I know her and her friends are definitely talking about it and they are in full support of Kate. I also know some of her friends support no abortions except for in cases like Kate's.

 

[Taurus]

49.999999999999999% of the voters can vote against them without being able to vote them out. It's irrational to blame every voter for the outcome of an election that is based on who wins the majority of votes. Also, the voters who don't like what Paxton and the Texas Supreme Court are currently doing, can't vote them out right now. They don't have that option.

I don't know what you're arguing about.

If you voted against them and/or resist however you can, the shoe doesn't fit.

I'm talking about the 50+ percent who vote for these evil yahoos.

 

[SystemShock]

49.999999999999999% of the voters can vote against them without being able to vote them out. It's irrational to blame every voter for the outcome of an election that is based on who wins the majority of votes. Also, the voters who don't like what Paxton and the Texas Supreme Court are currently doing, can't vote them out right now. They don't have that option.

You can blame every voter who voted for, and every voter who didn't vote against. And in Texas, Republicans habitually get more than 50.111111111111111% of the vote.

Now, I have to point out that Texas, besides guns and abortions, has an issue at its border, which has not been properly addressed by anyone, but the Democrats don't do anything to shake the "let everyone in" image. That image, together with the "gun grabber" image, is going to make people hold their noses on their way to their voting place and vote Republican.

 

[Taurus]

You can blame every voter who voted for, and every voter who didn't vote against. And in Texas, Republicans habitually get more than 50.111111111111111% of the vote.

Now, I have to point out that Texas, besides guns and abortions, has an issue at its border, which has not been properly addressed by anyone, but the Democrats don't do anything to shake the "let everyone in" image. That image, together with the "gun grabber" image, is going to make people hold their noses on their way to their voting place and vote Republican.

And when their wives and daughters die because of the BS they've swallowed regarding guns and "bad hombres", that blood rightfully stains their hands. QED

See, the things you stipulated are images. The reality is that A: Dems aren't coming to steal anyone's guns and B: Biden's been deporting folks at a record pace. While both the image and reality of the pro-tyranny abortion bans match up perfectly. We're seeing it happen right here, right now. Mrs Cox is living it. Hopefully she survives being a female Texan.

 

[MT15]

No. I didn't. What I was saying is that assuming everyone who supports something supports it for the same reason is as much of a mistake as assuming that the actions of one person with an immutable trait is indicative of all of the people with that immutable trait.



That's more logical and reasonable. The impression I got from the post I responded to was that all so called "forced birth" people support Paxton and the Texas Supreme Court's decision against Kate.

That's a logical fallacy and a major assumption that is prejudicial in nature.

I'm concerned that people, on this board and in my daily life, who were able to see and understand this as recently as a year ago, seem incapable of seeing it now. That does not bode well for the future well being of our society, our country and ourselves individually.

More and more people are getting more and more fighting mad with each other. Less and less people are able to recognize when they are being irrational. What's worse is that more and more people don't seem to even care if they are being irrational. They want what they want and they want to get it at any cost to anyone who they see as opposing them. The worst thing is that more and more people see anyone who isn't in full-throated, lock step support of them as being against them.

Just like it takes two to tango, it takes two to polarize.

Respectfully, you need to check yourself on this. This seems to be a “both-sides” post that minimizes the actual harm that one side is doing. I even made the point in another post that there were people who were earnestly fooled by the “pro-life” movement. These are not the people being discussed.

However, everyone who has voted pro-life is at least partly responsible for these travesties that are now taking place. They were foreseeable. They were warned this would happen. They made the decision to accept that women would be hurt and even die because of this issue. And the really crazy thing is that it isn’t even truly a religious tenet, at least for Evangelicals. When Roe was decided, all the major Evangelical sects supported it. The leadership of the Evangelical movement has spent decades propagandizing about this issue, and it was a calculated move to oppose abortion meant to take away women’s rights.

The proper response to these monstrous actions is anger. Denying a woman the potentially life-saving health care she needs is horrific. It demeans her life. It makes her less than a full person. And the radical elements of this movement are doubling down. They are saying abortion is never necessary to save a woman’s life. They are saying that a woman shouldn’t be able to get a divorce if she wants one. They are saying a woman shouldn’t be able to cross state lines for certain reasons. They want to close certain job categories to women.

And now you want to regulate how women should feel in response?