Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

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    Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

    Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

    As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

    Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

    How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

    Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.
     
    bird said:
    ohiocapitaljournal.com

    Early votes cast in Ohio August election are blowing expectations out of the water • Ohio Capital Journal

    Through seven days of early voting more than 116,000 Ohioans have shown up at their local board to cast a ballot for Ohio's Aug. 8 special election. Another 38,000 have absentee ballots have made their way in as well.
    ohiocapitaljournal.com ohiocapitaljournal.com

    In the link it is especially interesting that the spokesperson for the vote yes campaign says that the issue will protect the Ohio constitution from out of state influence that they are seeing on the vote no side. Immediately after that the article notes that an ILLINOIS millionaire has donated one million to the vote yes campaign.
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    I've been hoping all along that the 60% threshold for constitutional changes passes and then over 60% vote to enshrine a right to abortions into the constitution. If that happens, good luck trying to get 60% of a vote to remove it from the constitution.

    I almost get schadenfreude from seeing jerks hoisted on their own petards. Over the next two years, I think we're going to see a lot more of it.
     
    Semi abortion related. More of an unintended consequences story (or perhaps perfectly intended)
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    When Quitney Armstead learned she was pregnant while locked up in a rural Alabama jail, she made a promise – to God and herself – to stay clean.

    She had struggled with addiction and post-traumatic stress disorder for nearly a decade, since serving in the Iraq war. But when she found out she was pregnant with her third child, in October 2018, she resolved: “I want to be a mama to my kids again.”

    Armstead says she did stay clean before delivering a baby girl in January 2019. Records show that hospital staff performed initial drug tests, and Armstead was negative.

    Armstead didn’t know that Decatur Morgan hospital also sent off her newborn’s meconium – the baby’s first bowel movement – for more advanced testing. Those test results showed traces of methamphetamine – drugs Armstead says she took before she knew she was pregnant. Because meconium remains in the fetus throughout pregnancy, residue of substances can show from many months before that are no longer in the mother’s system.

    Child welfare workers barred Armstead from seeing her daughter, Aziyah, while they investigated, and Armstead’s mother stepped in to care for the newborn.

    The hospital shared the meconium test results with local police, who then combed through months of medical records for Armstead and her baby to build a criminal case. Prosecutors alleged that the drugs she had taken much earlier in the pregnancy could have put the fetus at risk. Eight months after she’d delivered a healthy baby, Armstead was charged with chemical endangerment of a child.

    She is one of hundreds of women prosecuted on similar charges in Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina. Law enforcement and prosecutors in those states have expanded their use of child abuse and neglect laws in recent years to police the conduct of pregnant women under the concept of “fetal personhood”, a tenet promoted by many anti-abortion groups that a fetus should be treated legally the same as a child.

    These laws have also been used to prosecute women who lose their pregnancies. These tactics represent a significant shift toward criminalizing mothers: in most states, if a pregnant woman is suspected of using drugs, the case could be referred to a child welfare agency, not police or prosecutors.

    Medical privacy laws have offered little protection. In many cases, healthcare providers granted law enforcement access to patients’ information – sometimes without a warrant. These women were prosecuted for child endangerment or neglect, even when they delivered healthy babies.

    In these cases, whether a woman goes to prison often depends on where she lives, what hospital she goes to and how much money she has, our review of records found. Most women charged plead guilty and are separated from their children for months, years – or forever.……

    www.theguardian.com

    ‘They railroad them’: the states using ‘fetal personhood’ laws to criminalize mothers

    Hundreds of women suspected of using drugs are being prosecuted under tenet promoted by many anti-abortion groups that a fetus should be treated legally the same as a child
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Semi abortion related. More of an unintended consequences story (or perhaps perfectly intended)
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    When Quitney Armstead learned she was pregnant while locked up in a rural Alabama jail, she made a promise – to God and herself – to stay clean.

    She had struggled with addiction and post-traumatic stress disorder for nearly a decade, since serving in the Iraq war. But when she found out she was pregnant with her third child, in October 2018, she resolved: “I want to be a mama to my kids again.”

    Armstead says she did stay clean before delivering a baby girl in January 2019. Records show that hospital staff performed initial drug tests, and Armstead was negative.

    Armstead didn’t know that Decatur Morgan hospital also sent off her newborn’s meconium – the baby’s first bowel movement – for more advanced testing. Those test results showed traces of methamphetamine – drugs Armstead says she took before she knew she was pregnant. Because meconium remains in the fetus throughout pregnancy, residue of substances can show from many months before that are no longer in the mother’s system.

    Child welfare workers barred Armstead from seeing her daughter, Aziyah, while they investigated, and Armstead’s mother stepped in to care for the newborn.

    The hospital shared the meconium test results with local police, who then combed through months of medical records for Armstead and her baby to build a criminal case. Prosecutors alleged that the drugs she had taken much earlier in the pregnancy could have put the fetus at risk. Eight months after she’d delivered a healthy baby, Armstead was charged with chemical endangerment of a child.

    She is one of hundreds of women prosecuted on similar charges in Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina. Law enforcement and prosecutors in those states have expanded their use of child abuse and neglect laws in recent years to police the conduct of pregnant women under the concept of “fetal personhood”, a tenet promoted by many anti-abortion groups that a fetus should be treated legally the same as a child.

    These laws have also been used to prosecute women who lose their pregnancies. These tactics represent a significant shift toward criminalizing mothers: in most states, if a pregnant woman is suspected of using drugs, the case could be referred to a child welfare agency, not police or prosecutors.

    Medical privacy laws have offered little protection. In many cases, healthcare providers granted law enforcement access to patients’ information – sometimes without a warrant. These women were prosecuted for child endangerment or neglect, even when they delivered healthy babies.

    In these cases, whether a woman goes to prison often depends on where she lives, what hospital she goes to and how much money she has, our review of records found. Most women charged plead guilty and are separated from their children for months, years – or forever.……

    www.theguardian.com

    ‘They railroad them’: the states using ‘fetal personhood’ laws to criminalize mothers

    Hundreds of women suspected of using drugs are being prosecuted under tenet promoted by many anti-abortion groups that a fetus should be treated legally the same as a child
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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    That's soooooooooooo :frack: up! It seems to be just another example of keep up employment within their prison system. I bet if some would to look closer, they would find multiple judges being paid off to keep jails full.

    Add to that, there are multiple jurisdictions initiating criminal investigations of miscarriages! WTH!!!
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:
    That's soooooooooooo :frack: up! It seems to be just another example of keep up employment within their prison system. I bet if some would to look closer, they would find multiple judges being paid off to keep jails full.

    Add to that, there are multiple jurisdictions initiating criminal investigations of miscarriages! WTH!!!
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    Agreed

    I’m constantly amazed at just how cruel people can be
     
    superchuck500 said:
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    Death isn’t the only thing that can happen, I wish people wouldn’t assume that the woman either dies or recovers. Sepsis, which is the biggest risk that is increased by these awful laws, causes many issues. Women can lose the ability to have another child, they can lose kidney function, they can get blood clots that will cause them to take anticoagulants for the rest of their lives.

    Anti-abortion laws hurt women. Even women who don’t seek abortions are harmed by these laws, and to say otherwise is a lie. Every person who supports these laws is okay with women being harmed or dying from preventable complications. There is no other way to put it.
     
    For two decades, the United States has pursued a far-reaching global agenda to fight HIV and AIDS, an initiative credited with saving more than 25 million lives.

    But the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, better known as PEPFAR, has been abruptly bogged down in a domestic political fight, with Republicans citing allegations that the program’s funding is being used to indirectly support abortions — claims that health advocates, Democrats and PEPFAR officials say are baseless.


    As a result, lawmakers have spent months wrangling over whether Congress will reauthorize the program for five years, for one year or not at all — a decision that experts warn has both practical and symbolic consequences.


    “If PEPFAR doesn’t get reauthorized, the program can continue — but it could send some pretty chilling messages to people in the field who depend on PEPFAR for life support,” said Jennifer Kates, director of global health and HIV policy at KFF, a health policy organization that has tracked the provisions set to expire Sept. 30……..

     
    Collins does make one good point here, but neglects the larger one just begging to be brought up. This guy from AL claims that if Biden considered the restrictive abortion policies of AL in his decision to NOT move Space Force Command to AL, then that was a political decision. I wanted to scream at the screen - NO! This is a life and death matter for women. It’s imposing restrictions on care a woman may need to save her life!

     
    TAMPA — Brooke High was not ready to face her family. Sitting on the edge of her bed, hair dripping wet, the 19-year-old listened to her twin daughters cry in their high chairs on the other side of the door. One hurled what sounded like a plate. Then a bottle.

    Her husband, Billy High, also 19, was supposed to be watching them. But Brooke could hear one of his TV shows playing on his phone.

    She waited a few minutes, reminding herself of everything their marriage counselor had told her. Treat your partner as you would want to be treated. Soften your tone. Don’t yell.

    She heard Billy finally take the girls out of their chairs. Then came a loud splash.

    Brooke rushed toward the sound of her daughters, stepping over flecks of scrambled eggs and Pop-Tarts from the girls’ breakfast. One of the twins ran out of the bathroom, crying and drenched in toilet water.

    “I told you to put the dishes in the dishwasher, and you stood here for 30 minutes,” Brooke said to Billy. “And then while you weren’t watching the girls they got into the damn toilet.”

    “Are you going to give them a bath?” she said.

    When Brooke met Billy at a skate park in Corpus Christi, Tex., in May 2021, she could not have predicted any piece of the life she was now living. She’d been gearing up for real estate school, enjoying long days at the beach with her new boyfriend. Then she found out she was three months pregnant. And because of a new law, she could no longer get an abortion in Texas. The closest clinic that could see her was in New Mexico, a 13-hour drive away.

    She gave birth to Kendall and Olivia six months later.

    Brooke, Billy and their baby girls appeared in a story in The Washington Post just days before Roe v. Wade was overturned last summer, thrusting the family into a polarized national debate and turning them into symbols they never imagined they’d become.

    For many readers, Brooke and Billy’s story was a Rorschach test, with each side of the abortion debate claiming the teenagers’ experiences as validation of their own views. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) called the story “powerfully pro-life.”

    Abortion rights advocates decried the Texas law that compelled an ambitious young woman to abandon her education and raise two kids on the $9.75 an hour her then-boyfriend made working at a burrito restaurant. People on both sides of the issue donated more than $80,000 to a GoFundMe account that Brooke created, providing a financial cushion the couple says has kept them out of debt.

    At the center of the abortion debate is the question of how an unwanted pregnancy, carried to term, reverberates through the lives of those directly involved. The most prominent study on the subject, conducted by a pro-abortion-rights research group at the University of California at San Francisco, included interviews with nearly 1,000 women over the course of eight years.

    The study, which was published as a book in 2020, found that women who are denied abortions experience worse financial, health and family outcomes than those who are able to end their pregnancies.................

     

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