Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (5 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Optimus Prime]

If the United States was a country that valued women and girls, or that understood the moral gravity of misogyny, then there would be statues to people like Caitlin Bernard.

The Indiana doctor has long been a champion of reproductive rights; she joined a 2019 lawsuit challenging her state’s Roe-era ban on dilation and evacuation abortions, or D&E procedures; she’s long been outspoken, in her very red state, about her faith that women and girls are worthy of control over their own bodies.

So maybe Indiana Republicans, like the attorney general Todd Rokita, already thought of her as an enemy in July 2022, when, just days after the supreme court’s Dobbs decision overturned Roe and threw an anti-abortion trigger ban into effect in neighboring Ohio, Bernard performed an abortion on a patient who had had to travel to Indiana to get her procedure: a 10-year-old girl, the victim of rape.

This act alone – Bernard’s gesture of compassion and respect to an abused child, one that spared the young girl the danger and torture of an underage, rape-produced pregnancy and helped to end the suffering and indignity that followed her assault, is itself a solemn kind of service.

Bernard’s work brought her into the darkest realities of what men do to women – raping and impregnating them as children, making laws that will keep them pregnant against their will, as children, unless they can flee – and to face that darkness with integrity and courage. Few of us would have the capacity to do what Bernard did in treating that child; few of us would be able to face that truth about our world.

Fewer still would survive what came next: Bernard became the target of a large-scale, coordinated campaign of hate, intimidation and professional harassment, coordinated by Republican officials in her state government, in retaliation for her pro-choice speech……..

But this was a reality that the Republican party did not want the public to see. Almost immediately after the story broke, party officials tried to deny it.

Ohio’s Republican attorney general, Dave Yost, spoke to USA Today and claimed that the child never even existed, saying that there was “not a damn scintilla of evidence” that his state’s abortion ban had forced a raped girl to flee.

When it became clear that simply denying the child’s existence would not work (a 27-year-old Ohio man has since received a life sentence for his crimes), Republicans pivoted to an attack on Bernard herself. Rokita, the attorney general of Bernard’s home state, went on TV to swear revenge against her. “We’re gathering evidence as we speak and we’re going to fight this to the end,” Rokita said of the physician.

What followed was a year-long campaign of harassment and intimidation by Rokita, who, with the backing of Indiana Republicans and using his government powers, sought to make an example of Bernard so as to intimidate other abortion providers and pro-choice Hoosiers from speaking out……….

…….But not even that board, which is staffed with Rokita’s political allies, could substantiate his claims of wrongdoing by the doctor.

Unable to have her license revoked, Rokita settled for punishing her symbolically: at the end of his year of harassment and abuse of his office in order to target Bernard, Rokita had the licensing board fine her $3,000, allegedly for violating the girl’s privacy.

If the notion that Rokita, a man who wants abortion policy to be able to pry into the uterus of a little girl, sincerely cares about patient privacy seems suspicious to you, that’s because the privacy fine was always a pretext for the ordeal’s real purpose: retribution, harassment and intimidation of a valuable and politically effective pro-choice voice.

It was a case of a government official using government powers to punish truthful statements made in the public interest, because he did not like the political content of those statements. It was a chilling violation of the spirit of free speech……..

She performed an abortion on a 10-year-old rape victim. The right vilified her | Moira Donegan

Caitlin Bernard deserves a statue for her service. Instead, she’s been harassed and persecuted

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Chris Christie just repeated the malignant lie about abortions up until the 9th month. It’s so infuriating. Viable healthy fetuses in the 9th month are NOT being aborted by anyone. That is a birth. Nobody is committing infanticide and people who infer that are just lying. Late term abortions happen when a fetus is deceased, or has severe complications incompatible with life. It is safer for the woman to have an abortion than to wait for normal labor. But there is a point where they will just induce labor anyway when the pregnancy is that far advanced. It’s either extreme ignorance or deliberate disinformation.

What is wrong with these guys? He also smugly said that abortion wouldn’t be a driving issue for the election. I have news for them…..

 

[MT15]

What is the deal with these guys who want to deny women with dire pregnancy outcomes medical treatment? When the fetus isn’t viable, it’s safest for the woman to get a termination rather than waiting. Women should absolutely have that choice, or they are not fully people. They have no bodily autonomy. Nobody would ever force a man to wait for medical treatment when he is in a situation that could cause a bad outcome. Nobody will ever force a woman to have the termination if she doesn’t believe in it either. I hate the way this is being forced on everyone. I don’t usually hate at all, but this has me feeling something close to it.

 

[SFIDC3]

What is the deal with these guys who want to deny women with dire pregnancy outcomes medical treatment? When the fetus isn’t viable, it’s safest for the woman to get a termination rather than waiting. Women should absolutely have that choice, or they are not fully people. They have no bodily autonomy. Nobody would ever force a man to wait for medical treatment when he is in a situation that could cause a bad outcome. Nobody will ever force a woman to have the termination if she doesn’t believe in it either. I hate the way this is being forced on everyone. I don’t usually hate at all, but this has me feeling something close to it.

Keep in mind, this is a guy that put party over family....these religious zealots are trying to ruin this country....the weaponization of Christianity is in full force and it's coming almost exclusively from one side of the aisle.....I hope they all get the karma they deserve.....

 

[DaveXA]

What is the deal with these guys who want to deny women with dire pregnancy outcomes medical treatment? When the fetus isn’t viable, it’s safest for the woman to get a termination rather than waiting. Women should absolutely have that choice, or they are not fully people. They have no bodily autonomy. Nobody would ever force a man to wait for medical treatment when he is in a situation that could cause a bad outcome. Nobody will ever force a woman to have the termination if she doesn’t believe in it either. I hate the way this is being forced on everyone. I don’t usually hate at all, but this has me feeling something close to it.

Yeah, that definitely rules out Pence for me.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What is the deal with these guys who want to deny women with dire pregnancy outcomes medical treatment? When the fetus isn’t viable, it’s safest for the woman to get a termination rather than waiting. Women should absolutely have that choice, or they are not fully people. They have no bodily autonomy. Nobody would ever force a man to wait for medical treatment when he is in a situation that could cause a bad outcome. Nobody will ever force a woman to have the termination if she doesn’t believe in it either. I hate the way this is being forced on everyone. I don’t usually hate at all, but this has me feeling something close to it.

I can hate for two on this one.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Abortion rights advocates sued the Idaho government on Tuesday, claiming a state law that prohibits adults from helping minors get an abortion is unconstitutional.

Idaho has one of the strictest abortion bans in the nation, forcing patients to seek care in neighboring states such as Oregon and Washington, where the procedure is legal. But in April, Idaho lawmakers passed legislation requiring any person under 18 to get permission from a parent or guardian before traveling out of state to get an abortion.

The controversial law marks the first major push since the fall of Roe v Wade in 2022 to explicitly block people from traveling across state lines to access abortion.

“It is a new level of government intrusion on what it means to be an American,” said Wendy Heipt, a lawyer at Legal Voice, an advocacy group representing the plaintiffs challenging the Idaho statute.

The new lawsuit said the Idaho statute violates multiple constitutional protections, including the right to free speech, due process, and the ability to travel between states. Under the law, anyone who helps a minor get an abortion could be sentenced to two or five years in prison, but adults are also prohibited from “recruiting” a pregnant minor, a term that reproductive justice advocates in the state said is confusing and vague.

“Does ‘recruit’ mean handing someone a brochure? Does that mean a conversation about options?” said Heipt. “It is incredibly hard for the average person to know what they can and can’t legally do under this law.”…….

Idaho sued over law banning adults from helping minors get abortions

Lawsuit challenges statute that under-18s must get permission from parent or guardian before leaving state for an abortion

www.theguardian.com

 

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meanwhile

House Votes to Limit Abortion Access in the Military, Bowing to the Right (Published 2023)

G.O.P. leaders acceded to the demands of ultraconservatives to use the annual defense policy bill to lodge cultural grievances and protest continued U.S. support for Ukraine. Now its fate is in doubt.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

meanwhile

House Votes to Limit Abortion Access in the Military, Bowing to the Right (Published 2023)

G.O.P. leaders acceded to the demands of ultraconservatives to use the annual defense policy bill to lodge cultural grievances and protest continued U.S. support for Ukraine. Now its fate is in doubt.

www.nytimes.com

Right-wing extremist attack on on law enforcement has expanded to the military. Not only have they used terroristic tactics to get their way, they have turned, what used to be a non-partisan/ apolitical department, the DoD into another political football.

I foresee their next attack will be against the UCMJ itself. They will find someone that's facing disciplinary action for violating the UCMJ and make the claim that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Right-wing extremist attack on on law enforcement has expanded to the military. Not only have they used terroristic tactics to get their way, they have turned, what used to be a non-partisan/ apolitical department, the DoD into another political football.

I foresee their next attack will be against the UCMJ itself. They will find someone that's facing disciplinary action for violating the UCMJ and make the claim that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

It's mostly a bad situation, but it could be a lot worse if the right wing radicals were wooing the military instead of alienating them. The first rule of any coup is to make sure that you got the guys with the biggest and most guns on your side.

 

[MT15]

meanwhile

House Votes to Limit Abortion Access in the Military, Bowing to the Right (Published 2023)

G.O.P. leaders acceded to the demands of ultraconservatives to use the annual defense policy bill to lodge cultural grievances and protest continued U.S. support for Ukraine. Now its fate is in doubt.

www.nytimes.com

 

[superchuck500]

Right-wing extremist attack on on law enforcement has expanded to the military. Not only have they used terroristic tactics to get their way, they have turned, what used to be a non-partisan/ apolitical department, the DoD into another political football.

I foresee their next attack will be against the UCMJ itself. They will find someone that's facing disciplinary action for violating the UCMJ and make the claim that their Constitutional rights are being violated.

My rep Nancy Mace recognized how mean spirited the amendment was . . . but voted for it anyway. This is where we are now, you don’t vote for a person anymore. You get a party.

 

[MT15]

I saw that. It’s not the first time she has spoken out against something only to cave, give up her free will, and vote for it anyway. Why would anyone vote for her after this? She’s not representing her district, she’s just a rubber stamp for the extremists in the GOP.

 

[DaveXA]

I saw that. It’s not the first time she has spoken out against something only to cave, give up her free will, and vote for it anyway. Why would anyone vote for her after this? She’s not representing her district, she’s just a rubber stamp for the extremists in the GOP.

I wouldn't say that. I think she's trying to keep her influence in the party. The alternative is to become Liz Cheney, and we saw what happened to her. I think she'd stand for her principles if the party wasn't such a mess.

That said, her constituents probably won't care about all that and vote her out anyway. She damned either way.

Personally, I'd rather be Liz and stand for what I believe in, but that's probably why I'm not a politician. I wouldn't last long there.

 

[MT15]

How can this be constitutional?

 

[Neworleansfan]

How can this be constitutional?

Demand from who? Healthcare providers? Yup, good luck with that. I think HIPAA would apply in this instance unlike those crazies who waving HIPAA around during Covid restrictions.

 

[MT15]

Demand from who? Healthcare providers? Yup, good luck with that. I think HIPAA would apply in this instance unlike those crazies who waving HIPAA around during Covid restrictions.

No, they say it is related to a criminal act, which makes HIPAA void. If I’m reading it right, which I very well may not be.

HHS has proposed a new rule that would exempt any type medical info about reproductive care from being compelled to be provided when it is part of a criminal, civil, or administrative investigation from another state, when the medical care is legal in the state where it was provided. This seems pretty straightforward to me. They want the proposed rule withdrawn and they threaten to sue to block it.

I will readily admit I don’t truly understand why they think they have a right to follow state residents to other states and try to discover what they do there. It’s a frightening overreach, IMO.

 

[Neworleansfan]

No, they say it is related to a criminal act, which makes HIPAA void. If I’m reading it right, which I very well may not be.

HHS has proposed a new rule that would exempt any type medical info about reproductive care from being compelled to be provided when it is part of a criminal, civil, or administrative investigation from another state, when the medical care is legal in the state where it was provided. This seems pretty straightforward to me. They want the proposed rule withdrawn and they threaten to sue to block it.

I will readily admit I don’t truly understand why they think they have a right to follow state residents to other states and try to discover what they do there. It’s a frightening overreach, IMO.

Criminal act? I am no lawyer but no way that would fly. If that is the case, theoretically people can be charge for lighting up a joint or visiting a brothel in Las Vegas.

Plus since HIPAA is a federal law, don’t healthcare providers from other states have to follow it?