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We are moving into a new phase of the pandemic, one of partial vaccination. Though there’s good legal authority that the US or states could require all inhabitants get a vaccine, that’s almost certainly not going to happen for several compelling reasons.

But governments could require vaccination for certain specific applications such as public employment, public school attendance, or travel. Commercial/private interests have even more leeway to require it: airlines could choose to require it, employers could choose to require it, event venues or promoters could choose to require it. Some, in fact, are already making plans on how a vaccination requirement would work.

But it’s complicated - there are a host of considerations that go with it. From the very practical issue of how to best evidence vaccination for these purposes (right now all we really have are low-tech, easily forged vaccination cards), to accessibility questions (how to accommodate those who legitimately should not or cannot get vaccinated), to more deeply fundamental concerns of individual self-determination in society, these components are challenging and are not easily answered. Some arbitrariness is most certainly going to come from this, and people are going to get angry.

So what do you think? Would you be okay with TSA requiring proof of vaccination to fly? Is it different if it isn’t TSA but the major airlines make it their policy? What about the Superdome requiring it to go to Saints games? What about private employers?

And what’s the best solution for proof? Since government hasn’t really focused on this, can we expect some business to come up with a vaccine verify app that becomes the industry standard?

It’s all really interesting stuff.



Atlantic article about the proof issue:

 
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When I filled out the paper work for both rounds of Moderna at Walmart, I initialed the ok for my name to be added to some state vaccine database. Have others seen or not seen the same?
 

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In my state there is an electronic certificate, in addition to the card I received. I’m sure I could access the electronic certificate if I had to, but I’d have to look around to be sure where it resides.
 

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When I filled out the paper work for both rounds of Moderna at Walmart, I initialed the ok for my name to be added to some state vaccine database. Have others seen or not seen the same?

Not I.

In my state there is an electronic certificate, in addition to the card I received. I’m sure I could access the electronic certificate if I had to, but I’d have to look around to be sure where it resides.

I took a picture of mine while I was waiting, so I have something on me, even if it's not official. But an actual electronic one would be neat. Kinda like the digital drivers licenses.
 

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My wife set up ours using the Ochner App (My Chart). So i do have a digital version of mine and a hard copy.
 

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I'm going to bring my card next time I visit my primary care, maybe I'll get something cool.
 
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Focus group demonstrates that unvaccinated may be willing to obtain fraudulent proof of vaccination.

 

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They are doing it electronic here. You get an app which will can then show either your vacination status or your latest test. And NO - even though we're beginning to open up again, either a Vacination Card or a negative test less than 24 hours old will have to be shown to eat at restaurants, visit the hairdresser or attend a game or a movie.

This is not voluntary. Restaurants, hairdressers and other service providers are required by law to check the status of their customers when they enter the business It will set you back 300$ if you are found sitting in a restaurant without it and the owner will be fined 1000$ the FIRST time and the fine will double for every new instance.
 

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They are doing it electronic here. You get an app which will can then show either your vacination status or your latest test. And NO - even though we're beginning to open up again, either a Vacination Card or a negative test less than 24 hours old will have to be shown to eat at restaurants, visit the hairdresser or attend a game or a movie.

This is not voluntary. Restaurants, hairdressers and other service providers are required by law to check the status of their customers when they enter the business It will set you back 300$ if you are found sitting in a restaurant without it and the owner will be fined 1000$ the FIRST time and the fine will double for every new instance.

How are the public and businesses there reacting overall to all of this?

Is it more acceptance and understanding? or anger, defiance and "my freedom!"?
 
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How is the public and businesses there reacting overall to all of this?

Is it more acceptance and understanding? or anger, defiance and "my freedom!"?
We do have a few lunatics but most are reacting positively. It is after all a question of their own safety and that of their families. Schools are mostly open and every student is testet twice a week at the schools and every outbreak results in 2 weeks of remote education. We are very much working with zones. So not every part of the country face the same restrictions. It depends on the current level of infections. So some places many businesses are open and in others almost everything including schools are shut down.

We're doing a lot of contact tracing and trying to put out every hot spot as soon as it is registered. Those not working from home are encouraged to get tested twice a week until they have been vacinated. Vacination is a bit delayed due the our surgeon general have stopped all use of AstraZ and Johnson vaccines, so the entire schedule has been moved 4 week. We're at 20% right now and would have been a lot higher with the other two vaccines but they don't want to risk it
 

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They are doing it electronic here. You get an app which will can then show either your vacination status or your latest test. And NO - even though we're beginning to open up again, either a Vacination Card or a negative test less than 24 hours old will have to be shown to eat at restaurants, visit the hairdresser or attend a game or a movie.

This is not voluntary. Restaurants, hairdressers and other service providers are required by law to check the status of their customers when they enter the business It will set you back 300$ if you are found sitting in a restaurant without it and the owner will be fined 1000$ the FIRST time and the fine will double for every new instance.
Good luck with that happening here.
 

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This is an example from 50s-60s and the American FDA rejected its use. The story in Europe may be quite different from America, but the lesson learned from this should be that corporations can illegally distribute drugs that kill/cripple people and governments won’t hold them accountable.
 

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This will be interesting to watch with sports teams
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CNN)Fully vaccinated baseball fans won't have to maintain social distancing this weekend at Dodger Stadium.

The Los Angeles Dodgers, reigning World Series champs, designated two sections of its 56,000-seat stadium for fully vaccinated attendees starting Saturday. Guests from different households will be seated next to each other and masks are still required.

To gain entry to the Dodgers-Padres match-up, fully vaccinated fans ages 16 and up will need to present proof that at least two weeks have passed since their final vaccine dose.

If they're underage and not eligible to be vaccinated, they must prove they tested negative for Covid-19 within the last 72 hours. And if they can't provide proof, they won't be admitted, according to the team..........

 

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First case in the country - first of many I'm sure
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A California bar owner has been accused of selling fraudulent COVID-19 vaccination cards, state and county officials said this week.

Todd Anderson, the owner of Old Corner Saloon in Clements, California, has been charged with identity theft, forging government documents, and falsifying medical records, San Joaquin County District Attorney Tori Verber Salazar said in a statement.

An investigation was launched after California's Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control received a complaint regarding fake vaccination cards being sold at the bar, the county district attorney's office said.

In the month after receiving the complaint, undercover agents bought four fake vaccination cards from the bar for $20 each, investigators told The Washington Post.

While later searching the bar, investigators found 30 blank cards, a lamination machine, and two more completed fraudulent cards.............

 

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Christopher Neve had a spotless record and several pay raises in his six years as a deputy sheriff with the Durham County Sheriff’s Office.

In March, he was put on leave without pay for insubordination and then terminated, court and personnel records show.

This happened because Neve, 33, refused to get vaccinated, according to his North Carolina federal lawsuit filed in April.

Christopher Neve, as a deputy sheriff with the Durham County Sheriff’s Office, could take the vaccine against his will or risk job loss, potential career consequences, a federal lawsuit alleges. —
Months earlier, Durham County’s Sheriff Clarence Birkhead sent a staff memo, the lawsuit said. “Getting vaccinated now will help protect you and the public we serve …I am requiring all employees to be vaccinated. It is mandatory,” an excerpt from the memo said.

That put Neve in an impossible situation, his attorneys alleged. He could either take the vaccine against his will or risk job loss, potential career consequences “and having his life upended.”

Neve “stood by his informed medical decision to not take an experimental product and, as a result, was illegally fired,” the lawsuit alleged.

The day he was put on leave, Neve had to turn over his badge and gun, and “humiliated” with an escort out of the office, the lawsuit said.

Neve wants his job back and a court order blocking the office from carrying out its staff vaccination policies.............

Can you be fired for refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine? America is about to find out
 

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