Republicans moving ahead with Trump’s ‘big’ bill of tax breaks (2 Viewers)

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Republicans moving ahead with Trump's 'big' bill of tax breaks and spending cuts amid tariff uproar

After a long wait, the Senate is launching action on President Donald Trump’s ”“big, beautiful bill” of tax breaks and spending cuts.

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More than a month after House Republicans surprised Washington by advancing their framework for Trump’s $4.5 trillion in tax breaks and $2 trillion in spending cuts, Senate Republicans voted Thursday to start working on their version. The largely party-line vote, 52-48, sets the stage for a potential Senate all-nighter Friday spilling into the weekend.

 

[SamAndreas]

There is no we. There's only you using a factually unreliable computer program as if it a factual authority. If you are verifying every single thing it's telling you, why waste time with taking the extra step of using it?

There won't be any real "tax relief" for anyone not in the lower upper income brackets and higher. Even if there is, any "tax relief" the middle class gets will be a net loss due to the increased costs of living that are about to start climbing. Keep in mind the core issue is whether or not the majority of voters will be happy enough with Trump and his Republicans to keep the Republicans in charge of both the House and Senate.

A lot of the immigrants that are being abducted or scared into hiding provide really cheap labor for construction, agriculture, warehouse, and tourism. No one is going to replace the labor they provide, so we are going to start having shortages in new construction and food, delays in distribution and shipping, and the quality of food and hospitality services are going to go down. Almost forget about childcare, that's going to get even worse than it already is. The lack of labor that these good people provide is going to wreak havoc on the entire economy.

Trump can say all he wants that he won't go after farm workers, but he's flip flopped so much that the immigrant farm workers don't trust him and a large percentage of them aren't showing up to harvest crops. High prices for food trumps token tax relief every day for the majority of voters. The fall is when food shortages and price increases will start hitting the grocery stores and tables at home. I don't see Trump and his ICE gestapo slowing down their assault on the immigrants that keep the American economy going, so it's going to be really bad by the time November 2026 rolls around.

The Nazi's took advantage of existing rampant poverty to rise to power. They did not wreck a vital economy. Trump and his Republicans are taking a wrecking ball to our economy by targeting the people who make up a foundational work force. I don't see this ending well for Trump and his Republicans.

LA the only part of this post I have a problem with is that comment about my usage of WE. All of the other points of commentary I agree with well enough. I suppose.

This is the way it is, if I want to discuss this as a WE, I have that right. That's my way of citing Grok for the work it has done in the creation of my post. WE were the collaborating authors of that post afterall and WE should share the credit and the blame for it equally.

It seems to me you want me to treat Grok as if it were my servant or slave perhaps. Or you want to discourage my use of Grok altogether.

Hey guy! I'm enjoying myself, leave me be. You're invited by me to enjoy the How to Use AI thread if you have the capacity to enjoy yourself as well. Otherwise don't click that click.

 

[Bolo]

We'll see, this bill gave Democrats something to run on and hone in on. However, they will need to be able to convince voters on the realities of healthcare cuts that will start ramping up nearly 2 months after the '26 midterms.

If the Democrats can run an unknown moderate in 28, its gonna be tough for the Republicans.

Looked up what Trump needs to do to match Obama's last 4 years in office with deportations. Obama was cooking illegals. I don't think Trump gets there number wise, a democrat should adopt this from Obama as it would crush a big MAGA talking point. We'll see, ICE just got a huge funding boost.

 

[Eeyore]

What gives me hope is that congressional Republicans had to stop having town halls, because their votes showed up in force and railed against them making these very cuts. I don't think they will be able to fool Democratic and Independent voters and it looks like they aren't fooling a lot of Republican voters either.

The fact that some of the cuts don't go into effect until after the midterm could be turned to advantage. Candidates should find out what the bill cuts that's the most important to their voters and should doggedly hammer on one message alone going roughly like this, "these things that are the most important to you are about to be cut and the only way to keep them from being cut is to vote for me so I could do everything I can to reverse these cuts and fight to give you more of what's most important to you."

Another thing that gives me hope is that Musk now has a grudge against all things Trump and he's never dropped a grudge. If he turns on Trump's Republicans to hit Trump, then he will keep the Republicans from successfully duping the majority of voters.

Fair elections?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

LA the only part of this post I have a problem with is that comment about my usage of WE. All of the other points of commentary I agree with well enough. I suppose.

This is the way it is, if I want to discuss this as a WE, I have that right.

Of course you have that right, just like I have the right to say that I think there isn't really any "we." I didn't say you couldn't say it or think it.

It seems to me you want me to treat Grok as if it were my servant or slave perhaps.

Well that's a stretch out of left field. My point clearly was that it's not a living entity, so how exactly does one enslave something that's not living? Also, it was literrally created to serve humans, so how is it not a servant in the broad sense of things?

It sounds like you are anthropomorphizing it and that is one of the dangers of the way programmers have setup these publicly available AI's. People are bonding with it. That's bad and it has a very good chance of leading to individually and societally destructive outcomes.

Or you want to discourage my use of Grok altogether.

I've been very clear in what I'm calling for everyone to do with chat AI. Do not ever rely on it to provide factually accurate information. Do not rely on it for providing facts in any way. Let it help you write or rewrite something like your resume, your cover letter, a business email, your bio, or anything else where you tell it the facts that you know to be true.

Ask it for a list of sources that you can then read for yourself, but don't ever ask it what the facts are about anything and trust the facts that it gives you. It does a horrible job at providing accurate facts.

Hey guy! I'm enjoying myself, leave me be.

We are all free to share our thoughts and opinions on anything anyone else says.

You're invited by me to enjoy the How to Use AI thread if you have the capacity to enjoy yourself as well.

Why are you questioning my capacity to enjoy myself with a barbed comment? How does that pertain to the core issue of anything I've said?

Otherwise don't click that click.

Funny that you would actually tell me what to do after making the mistaken complaint that I'm telling you what to do. I've been telling you what I think is the best thing to do in regards to AI chat and I've explained why I think it's the best thing to do.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Fair elections?

What are you getting at with this question? Do you think the November 2026 election is going to be substantially different from previous elections that Democrats have won? If yes, then what specifically do you expect to be substantially different about the November 2026 election?

 

[SamAndreas]

We'll see, this bill gave Democrats something to run on and hone in on. However, they will need to be able to convince voters on the realities of healthcare cuts that will start ramping up nearly 2 months after the '26 midterms.

If the Democrats can run an unknown moderate in 28, its gonna be tough for the Republicans.

Looked up what Trump needs to do to match Obama's last 4 years in office with deportations. Obama was cooking illegals. I don't think Trump gets there number wise, a democrat should adopt this from Obama as it would crush a big MAGA talking point. We'll see, ICE just got a huge funding boost.

Bolo, when my daughter was 7 we were in a pickup traveling over Dinner pass, no wait excuse me, correction I meant to say, Donner Pass.

I told her the story, She seemed fascinated by it, at the end she asked me "did they cook them first."

So Bolo why did you say Obama was cooking Illegals, when Obama would more than likely object to referring to any person as an illegal.

Obama knew and faithfully following current law, sure he deported more persons than previous Republicans typically had because he was more competent insofar as following the law as it was written, as well as being a better manager of the personnel and resources that he had.

I have found that comparing the number of deportations doesn't move conservatives, what upsets Conservative is us objecting to calling them illegals or aliens. Something degrading, it doesn't matter how many are deported in a given year it seems, what matters is that they must be degraded as human beings.

 

[Saint Jack]

Trump's Republicans will not be able to pivot to someone else and carry on. There will be infighting and fracturing that will marginalize them. I expect Trumps children to turn on each other to try to assume his position when he dies.

Here's some relevant and informative historical facts:

Benito Mussolini was about 39 when he took dictatorial control of Italy.
Adolph Hitler was about 43 years old when he and the Nazi's took dictatorial control of Germany.
Vladimir Lenin was bout 47 years old when he rose to power in the Soviet Union.
Joseph Stalin was about 52 when her rose to dictatorial power in the Soviet Union.
Vladimir Putin was about 48 when he rose to power in Russia.
Mao Zedong was about 56 when he rose to power in Russia.

Donald J Trump was 70 years old for is first inauguration and 78 years old for this second term of his. Time is on our side and not Trump's and his Republicans. He developed his cult following too late in life to be able to do as much damage as all of the people listed above.

I think Trump and his Republicans are in a panicked race against time which means they are moving too fast for the majority of people to normalize and to desensitize to what's happening. I don't think they have the patience or the discipline to wait until after the midterms to start kicking people off of food and healthcare assistance programs. They are in MOAR, MOAR, MOAR, NOW, NOW, NOW mode and they have the hubris to think they have the majority of Americans fooled. I don't believe they do.

What are the odds the infighting starts in the middle of next year?
By that time, Trump’s time as a lame duck president begins.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

What are the odds the infighting starts in the middle of next year?

I think it's possible and expect it, but it's unpredictable.

There's little bits of infighting among Trump and his Republicans that have bubbled up to the surface, so it's definitely brewing beneath the facade of public appearances. If things are as bad economically as I think they will by the end of this year, then I think that they will publicly be at each other's throats by the middle of next year.

I already see what I think are signs that the Trump children have started jockeying for position. Don Jr. and Eric have both talked about a Trump dynasty in ways the seem to indicate they each see themselves as the heir apparent. Ivanka and Jerrod have been quiet, perhaps too quiet. Barron's been seeking public attention lately. Tiffany is the only one I don't think will make a power play, so she just might politically Red Wedding the whole lot of them.

By that time, Trump’s time as a lame duck president begins.

The day Trump is seen as a lame duck by his Republicans will be Trump's political Ides of March.

 

[Saint Jack]

I think it's possible and expect it, but it's unpredictable.

There's little bits of infighting among Trump and his Republicans that have bubbled up to the surface, so it's definitely brewing beneath the facade of public appearances. If things are as bad economically as I think they will by the end of this year, then I think that they will publicly be at each other's throats by the middle of next year.

I already see what I think are signs that the Trump children have started jockeying for position. Don Jr. and Eric have both talked about a Trump dynasty in ways the seem to indicate they each see themselves as the heir apparent. Ivanka and Jerrod have been quiet, perhaps too quiet. Barron's been seeking public attention lately. Tiffany is the only one I don't think will make a power play, so she just might politically Red Wedding the whole lot of them.


The day Trump is seen as a lame duck by his Republicans will be Trump's political Ides of March.

I don’t think Ivanka has any interest.
In my opinion, I think she wants the political aspect of her family to end and return to being a New York socialite.

 

[Saint Jack]

I think it's possible and expect it, but it's unpredictable.

There's little bits of infighting among Trump and his Republicans that have bubbled up to the surface, so it's definitely brewing beneath the facade of public appearances. If things are as bad economically as I think they will by the end of this year, then I think that they will publicly be at each other's throats by the middle of next year.

I already see what I think are signs that the Trump children have started jockeying for position. Don Jr. and Eric have both talked about a Trump dynasty in ways the seem to indicate they each see themselves as the heir apparent. Ivanka and Jerrod have been quiet, perhaps too quiet. Barron's been seeking public attention lately. Tiffany is the only one I don't think will make a power play, so she just might politically Red Wedding the whole lot of them.


The day Trump is seen as a lame duck by his Republicans will be Trump's political Ides of March.

I question the Trump’s kids viability as candidates.
There’s always a sling shot effect whenever Trump runs.
He wins. He loses. He wins.
He won’t be on the ballot, but people are still gonna be voting against Trump in 28.
That’s why i give 28 to the Dems.

 

[Saint Jack]

Has there been any discussion about how The Trump Organization is doing?
I know the family has been profiting from Don’s presidency, but I can’t imagine Trump Tower brings in the cash it did before 2015.
Especially being in a blue city like New York.

I don’t see how they open up new properties.
As much as Trump likes to have the support of the rurals, they ain’t gonna open a Trump Tower in Alabama, Mississippi, or West Virginia.

 

[MT15]

Has there been any discussion about how The Trump Organization is doing?
I know the family has been profiting from Don’s presidency, but I can’t imagine Trump Tower brings in the cash it did before 2015.
Especially being in a blue city like New York.

I don’t see how they open up new properties.
As much as Trump likes to have the support of the rurals, they ain’t gonna open a Trump Tower in Alabama, Mississippi, or West Virginia.

They’re making a killing right now. Trump is shamelessly profiting from his position, in violation of the Constitution and several laws. Between the pay for play dinners, the selling of pardons, the crypto scams, the other merchandising scams, and the countries paying him for establishing resorts there, his wealth has substantially increased just since he won the election this time. Oh and I forgot Truth Social.

He’s brought in hundreds and hundreds of millions from his various crypto coins alone. Oh and I should add that a lot of that money is from foreign individuals and even foreign governments. It’s pretty opaque, as is the purpose of crypto after all, but some foreign nations have proudly announced their purchases.

This is illegal and corrupt. But we have lost the ability to do anything - because the GOP is gutless and refuses to uphold the oaths of office they all took.

 

[Sendai]

I don’t think Ivanka has any interest.
In my opinion, I think she wants the political aspect of her family to end and return to being a New York socialite.

She’s much more interested in being a Miami socialite these days.

 

[SFIDC3]

What are the odds the infighting starts in the middle of next year?
By that time, Trump’s time as a lame duck president begins.

Would love for them to turn on themselves but I think the Musk factor will be more of a problem for them.....at least I'm hoping he follows through on his threats.....

 

[Huntn]

With every day that passes, things get worse.

Where is the freaking sad emoji “like” on this board?

 

[Huntn]

China's economy is a house of cards filled with smoke and mirrors too. The reason they have gotten so aggressive on the pacific waters is to expand their harvest of seafood. They are barely able to feed their people and no political regime can survive billions of people angry because they're hungry.

This may be true, yet not certain. I’ve got a friend who lives there, an ex-Pat Brit who washed his hands of the UK and seems very content. How much National debt are they juggling? I will acknowledge if there is a house of cards, it’s the environment and the coming climate crisis from Mother Nature railing against our short sightedness.

 

[SamAndreas]

Where is the freaking sad emoji “like” on this board?

It's on the toolbar, about the center, you have to click it to get it to open, then from the array of emoji's you have to select the sad one. This is the array of sadness which is available.

 

[Bolo]

What is getting lost in the weeds over medicaid cuts is how many people are going to actually lose their coverage when trying to report to various state medicaid offices every 6 months showing they qualify. I don't know how many of you have ever dealt with calling or contacting your state medicaid offices, its incompetent as hell.

1. 7 times out of 10, you're gonna get someone who doesn't speak clear English. Once instance I had to call them due to a letter I received from medicaid about an ER visit over Sepsis that kept me in the hospital for 36 hours. It was a nightmare process to speak to someone who spoke clear enough English to understand.

2. They're super inefficient(big surprise), the increased volume in service will cause problems and backlogs. Redtape and annoyance will cause coverage losses just like it did in 2018 with the state of Arkansas.

So when they blame this on illegals or as dummy Steve Scalise put it "35 year old men need to stop playing video games in their moms basement and go get a job." This will largely affect working people losing coverage.