Republicans moving ahead with Trump’s ‘big’ bill of tax breaks (1 Viewer)

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Republicans moving ahead with Trump's 'big' bill of tax breaks and spending cuts amid tariff uproar

After a long wait, the Senate is launching action on President Donald Trump’s ”“big, beautiful bill” of tax breaks and spending cuts.

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More than a month after House Republicans surprised Washington by advancing their framework for Trump’s $4.5 trillion in tax breaks and $2 trillion in spending cuts, Senate Republicans voted Thursday to start working on their version. The largely party-line vote, 52-48, sets the stage for a potential Senate all-nighter Friday spilling into the weekend.

 

[Eeyore]

What are you getting at with this question? Do you think the November 2026 election is going to be substantially different from previous elections that Democrats have won? If yes, then what specifically do you expect to be substantially different about the November 2026 election?

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Two years from now, when there's a group of ICE clowns at every polling station harassing everybody who isn't a white male, let's not act like we didn't see that coming.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

She’s much more interested in being a Miami socialite these days.

Know Ivanka Trump personally, do you?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

This may be true, yet not certain. I’ve got a friend who lives there, an ex-Pat Brit who washed his hands of the UK and seems very content.

There are always people who can manage to live contently while everything's burning down for everyone else. The legend that Nero fiddled comfortably while Rome burned is an example of that. There were lots of people who lived contently in the Soviet Union before, during and after it's complete collapse.

How much National debt are they juggling? I will acknowledge if there is a house of cards, it’s the environment and the coming climate crisis from Mother Nature railing against our short sightedness.

The national debt is less important to the stability of a country than having enough food for everyone. China is on a razor's edge in that regard. Also, just like we and a lot of the are reliant on China's cheap goods, they also rely on the world buying those cheap goods. They also have the climate and environmental issue you mentioned.

The house of cards analogy is that the house stands on it's own just fine, but the slightest unexpected disturbance sends the whole thing crashing down.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

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Justice Dept. Explores Using Criminal Charges Against Election Officials​

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Two years from now, when there's a group of ICE clowns at every polling station harassing everybody who isn't a white male, let's not act like we didn't see that coming.

That may happen, but it also might not happen. Early voting and mail in voting makes that more difficult to effectively pull off. States and local governments can intervene if they choose. I think you underestimate how much unity their would be against that and how effective unity can be to prevent it. Bullies back down almost every time.

Then there's the Musk wildcard. Musk knows that if Trump gets total control, like you are suggesting, then Musk is cooked. Musk will use all of his powerful resources to make sure that Trump doesn't steal total power and that his Republicans don't keep control of both chambers of Congress. He won't be doing it to protect us, he'll being doing it to save his own arse. That's a very powerful motivator.

If Trump and the Republicans do steal the election in the way you say, then the stolen election won't be as big a problem as the social strife or civil war that will quickly follow. Our society will rip itself apart. I don't know who will come out on top, but it won't be Trump and his Republicans because they have turned the hearts and minds of most active and veteran soldiers against them.

 

[Sendai]

Know Ivanka Trump personally, do you?

She and her family have been encamped to a $24 million mansion on Indian Creek Island, a village in Miami. Been there for several years. years. Her hubby’s investment firm’s offices are in Miami. So, yes a Miami socialite. And now you’re up to date.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

She and her family have been encamped to a $24 million mansion on Indian Creek Island, a village in Miami. Been there for several years. years. Her hubby’s investment firm’s offices are in Miami.

Some of that is kind of insider information. So, I'll ask you again and hopefully you actually answer it this time.

Know Ivanka Trump personally, do you?

 

[Eeyore]

I have members celebrating how sweet Daddy Trump is filling their pockets.

 

[Lapaz]

Most non-partisan assessments disagree with you and Grok. Very few people in the middle class or lower are expected to get any tax relief. Even if they do, that is traditionally not as important to voters as the cost of living. All indications are that the middle class and lower will be worse off financially by the Nov 2026 election.

It depends on where you draw the lines of the classes. The analysis that I’ve heard said that some of the middle class may get a very slight benefit. Most income taxes won’t change since the budget keeps most taxes as is. Some lower class people and a substantial part of the middle class works overtime and get tips, so they’ll pay slightly less income taxes temporarily. The poor are the ones that will end up paying more overall due to losing other benefits. Now if you roll in the impact of the tariffs, which is separate from the budget bill, then the lower and middle classes will pay more due to taxes.

It remains to be seen how people will react to this raise in their cost of living.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

It depends on where you draw the lines of the classes. The analysis that I’ve heard said that some of the middle class may get a very slight benefit.

Correct. Upper middle class will get a decent benefit, but upper middle is a lot closer income to lower upper than it is to middle middle and lower middle. It's also not as many people as the other middle income brackets.

Most income taxes won’t change since the budget keeps most taxes as is.

The upper income brackets are getting deeper cuts. The non-partisan auditors have repeatedly said this.

Some lower class people and a substantial part of the middle class works overtime and get tips, so they’ll pay slightly less income taxes temporarily.

Have you seen how many exemptions and exclusions there are to the "no tips on overtime" changes? It's not going to save as many people in the real world as it indicates it will on paper.

The poor are the ones that will end up paying more overall due to losing other benefits. Now if you roll in the impact of the tariffs, which is separate from the budget bill, then the lower and middle classes will pay more due to taxes.

That's what I see too. What little bit of tax breaks they get are going to be heavily outweighed by how much more they pay for everything else. I should say we, because I'm in those brackets.

It remains to be seen how people will react to this raise in their cost of living.

I agree. We can't know how people will react. Historically, when people are struggling more than they previously were to buy food, pay rent and other bills, they lash out with their votes against whoever is in power.

 

[Optimus Prime]

President Donald Trump defended his “Big, Beautiful, Bill” during a Fox News interview broadcast on Saturday night, claiming "it's not going to cause death, it's going to keep people alive" even as millions are estimated to lose health coverage under the legislation signed into law on July 4.

About 11.8 million people are at risk of losing their health insurance, according to the Congressional Budget Office, but not all at once. The legislation cuts federal health care programs over the course of a decade to remove close to $1 trillion from Medicaid, Obamacare, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program……..

“The Democrats, they only do one thing good, and that's complain, and they say it's going to cause death, and this and that … it's a sound bite. Somebody gave them a sound bite,” Trump added.

“It's not going to cause death. It's going to keep people alive, and it's going to make our country successful,” he said.

Trump claimed that the bill has already led to major investments.

“We are getting investment because of that bill. We're having investment made in this country that nobody's ever believed. We're up to close to $15 trillion,” he claimed.

“We're having car companies come in and build their plants here, which they wouldn't have even thought about. They would have never done it,” he added.……..

Trump’s insists ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ is ‘not going to cause death’

About 11.8 million people are at risk of losing their health insurance, according to the Congressional Budget Office

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

President Donald Trump defended his “Big, Beautiful, Bill” during a Fox News interview broadcast on Saturday night, claiming "it's not going to cause death, it's going to keep people alive" even as millions are estimated to lose health coverage under the legislation signed into law on July 4.

About 11.8 million people are at risk of losing their health insurance, according to the Congressional Budget Office, but not all at once. The legislation cuts federal health care programs over the course of a decade to remove close to $1 trillion from Medicaid, Obamacare, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program……..

“The Democrats, they only do one thing good, and that's complain, and they say it's going to cause death, and this and that … it's a sound bite. Somebody gave them a sound bite,” Trump added.

“It's not going to cause death. It's going to keep people alive, and it's going to make our country successful,” he said.

Trump claimed that the bill has already led to major investments.

“We are getting investment because of that bill. We're having investment made in this country that nobody's ever believed. We're up to close to $15 trillion,” he claimed.

“We're having car companies come in and build their plants here, which they wouldn't have even thought about. They would have never done it,” he added.……..

Trump’s insists ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ is ‘not going to cause death’

About 11.8 million people are at risk of losing their health insurance, according to the Congressional Budget Office

www.independent.co.uk

Does nobody fact check him any longer? The article doesn’t question his lies at all.

 

[Sendai]

Does nobody fact check him any longer? The article doesn’t question his lies at all.

No one has that much time.