President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (9 Viewers)

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[brandon]

There's quite a few countries in China that aren't the same race as what we would call "Chinese."

India, Russia, hell even Israel is Asian.

 

[DaveXA]

There's quite a few countries in China that aren't the same race as what we would call "Chinese."

India, Russia, hell even Israel is Asian.

I didn't realize India, Russia and Israel are located in China. Because that sounds like what you said. So I'm confused as to your point.

To be clear, Chinese isn't a race. They're citizens of China. Same as Americans aren't a race. They're citizens of America.

 

[wardorican]

Making our military great again....oops.

 

[brandon]

I didn't realize India, Russia and Israel are located in China. Because that sounds like what you said. So I'm confused as to your point.

Sorry, that was a typo. I mean to say " There's quite a few countries in Asia that aren't the same race as what we would call "Chinese.""

 

[wardorican]

The parade thing is a wash. The Walter Reed doctors said he wasn't contagious then and they approved everything.

I listened to that entire briefing you posted. I don't recall them saying he wasn't contagious...

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I think I have you beat. I was asking one of my neighbors if he had eaten at one of the nicer Chinese restaurants in the area, and he said they won't eat Chinese food because China released the virus on us.

At the start of the pandemic, I bought a bunch of furniture online because I was using my time locked in the house to redecorate. One of my QAnonish friends commented that I'm buying a lot of Chinese "junk" and I don't I care what they did to us.

 

[DaveXA]

Sorry, that was a typo. I mean to say " There's quite a few countries in Asia that aren't the same race as what we would call "Chinese.""

There are numerous Chinese who are not Asians. All of China isn't a single race. I admit it's splitting hairs a bit. But nationalism is a big problem and I hate that as much as I hate racism.

 

[RobF]

There's quite a few countries in China that aren't the same race as what we would call "Chinese."

India, Russia, hell even Israel is Asian.

I'd add that the target of their prejudice presumably includes Chinese Americans. That's racism more than nationalism. Assuming a fellow citizen represents another country on the basis of their appearance, perceived ancestry, or type of cuisine provided, is racist. Similar thing with antisemitism claimed to be rooted in opposition to Israel, but directed at Jews who have nothing to do with Israel.

Additionally, developing that racism because of the origin of a novel coronavirus is ridiculous. And (to get loosely back on topic) for it to have been inflamed by the President is shameful.

 

[brandon]

There are numerous Chinese who are not Asians.

I'm gonna need clarification here. It's like saying there's numerous French people who aren't European. It doesn't make any sense.

All of China isn't a single race.

I never said they were. I said the person you were talking about was racist. I also assume that the person you were talking about was also not thinking about the nuanced racial makeup of the Chinese people.

I admit it's splitting hairs a bit. But nationalism is a big problem and I hate that as much as I hate racism.

It's euphemistic. There's a reason why most white nationalists will adamantly argue that they are not racists.

 

[DaveXA]

I'd add that the target of their prejudice presumably includes Chinese Americans. That's racism more than nationalism. Assuming a fellow citizen represents another country on the basis of their appearance, perceived ancestry, or type of cuisine provided, is racist. Similar thing with antisemitism claimed to be rooted in opposition to Israel, but directed at Jews who have nothing to do with Israel.

Additionally, developing that racism because of the origin of a novel coronavirus is ridiculous. And (to get loosely back on topic) for it to have been inflamed by the President is shameful.

That's an excellent point. This bothers me more than anything because of the nonsense my Chinese friends have to put up with. Totally unfair to them.

 

[DaveXA]

I'm gonna need clarification here. It's like saying there's numerous French people who aren't European. It doesn't make any sense.

I never said they were. I said the person you were talking about was racist. I also assume that the person you were talking about was also not thinking about the nuanced racial makeup of the Chinese people.

It's euphemistic. There's a reason why most white nationalists will adamantly argue that they are not racists.

There are numerous French people who aren't European. Many are from the Middle East and have become French citizens. Many Europeans have become citizens in China. They're Chinese. They're not of Asian descent.

Typically, I think of racism as being something where you prejudice an entire group of people who look different or tied to that group of people.

Anyway, this is turning into something else. Whether racist or nationalist, the point stands that it's unacceptable regardless.

 

[wardorican]

I think I have you beat. I was asking one of my neighbors if he had eaten at one of the nicer Chinese restaurants in the area, and he said they won't eat Chinese food because China released the virus on us.

The only appropriate response...

 

[brandon]

There are numerous French people who aren't European. Many are from the Middle East and have become French citizens. Many Europeans have become citizens in China. They're Chinese. They're not of Asian descent.

Ok, it looks like we're going to be splitting the mother of all hairs here, but once someone becomes a French citizen, they are also a European. As you said, race and nationality are two different things. If you are French, you are European. In furtherance of this point, all French citizens are also granted citizenship by the European Union.

A citizen of China is also an Asian by nature of the continent they live on. Asian is not a race. Asian is a descriptor for people who live in Asia.

 

[wardorican]

Guys.. can we move on about nationalism vs ethnicity? vs whatever other descriptor you want to use.

 

[FullMonte]

What did you say to that?

I smiled and said, "Oh, ok."

 

[DaveXA]

Guys.. can we move on about nationalism vs ethnicity? vs whatever other descriptor you want to use.

But wait...ethnicity is distinct and different from race...so...I keed, I keed.

 

[Complex Kid]

Making our military great again....oops.

 

[brandon]

Guys.. can we move on about nationalism vs ethnicity? vs whatever other descriptor you want to use.

Yes, dad.