Over 93% of BLM demonstrations are non-violent (1 Viewer)

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I did. I think I have been pretty clear on my thoughts and yes, this board has been invaluable in forming those, so thank you.

Also, when someone can provide a link to an actual current law that is racist in this country, it would also be appreciated.
Until then, I will hold out on my conclusion that this nation and its citizens are VASTLY good, decent and moral people.

Farb, sorry what is the connection between the vast majority of citizens being good, decent and moral people on the one hand, and systemic/institional racism on the other? totally unclear on that. I consider myself moral and good, but I pay taxes that go to producing nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that are designed solely to murder millions of non-combatants. That is an institutional problem that I have no direct control over.

Also, don't you think the laws that require substantially higher sentences for crack possession as opposed to cocaine possession to have disproportionately racial consequences? Or not voting on Sunday laws, as proposed in Georgia? I guess that I'm not clear on what your threshold for racism is. Does the law have to mention black and white?
 

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Farb, sorry what is the connection between the vast majority of citizens being good, decent and moral people on the one hand, and systemic/institional racism on the other? totally unclear on that. I consider myself moral and good, but I pay taxes that go to producing nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that are designed solely to murder millions of non-combatants. That is an institutional problem that I have no direct control over.

Also, don't you think the laws that require substantially higher sentences for crack possession as opposed to cocaine possession to have disproportionately racial consequences? Or not voting on Sunday laws, as proposed in Georgia? I guess that I'm not clear on what your threshold for racism is. Does the law have to mention black and white?

@Farb can certainly speak for himself, but it seems that he'll only accept it if there's an explicit law that targets only one race. To my knowledge he has not commented on unequal application of the law which is what the rest of have been talking about for over a year.
 

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Also, when someone can provide a link to an actual current law that is racist in this country, it would also be appreciated.
You're so disingenuous. You KNOW we provided you examples (VoterID laws).
 

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Are there racist people. Yes, there are. I have met some.
Do they hold positions of power, sometimes yes. Should they? Debatable but I generally answer with as long as it doesn't interfere with their job execution.
If they do, should they be removed? Yes, they should if their action is legitimately racist and not perceived racism.
You guys rail about how evil racist and terrible our system of government/civilization/culture is from the it's inception. I find that incorrect. I think this is the best cultivation of western civ the world has ever seen and the most forgiving, open and accepting civilization in the world. Just my opinion and not shared by the 95% on this board. So far, no one has even moved the neddle for me on that, but not for the lack of trying.
Was the past horrible. Yes, most things in the past are. Far more histories written about war, famine and injustices than warm sunny spring days. Have we as a country had horible and disgusting events, you bet your arse we have. Have we, as a country corrected, I would say more than most other civilizations/cultures around the globe and we are continuing the evolution. That is something that should be celebrated and protected, not look to tear it down and start over.
 

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I've said it many times, and get beat up for it by both sides, but I think the issue is we need a more nuanced categorization of race-based discussions than the binary racist or not racist. It's just not that simple and it keeps us from having truly productive conversations on the subject.
 

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You guys rail about how evil racist and terrible our system of government/civilization/culture is from the it's inception. I find that incorrect. I think this is the best cultivation of western civ the world has ever seen and the most forgiving, open and accepting civilization in the world. Just my opinion and not shared by the 95% on this board. So far, no one has even moved the neddle for me on that, but not for the lack of trying.

There seems to be a whole lot projection/victimization in this statement. Are you the type of person who believes that either America is a great place full of opportunity OR it has problems with race that exist today? Or do you believe that both things can be possible? America is a nation with lofty ideals, made up by flawed humans who fail to live up to those ideals, that we have achieved great things, but that we can do better and we should never stop seeking to do better. You seem to think it's all or nothing.

There seems to be a certain weakness with American conservatives today where they believe America is so fragile and weak that any criticism of it cannot be endured. Either you have to believe that everything is great with just some minor issues or you have to believe, what is it that you said - oh yeah, we're evil racists and our system of government is terrible. I utterly reject that. That's pure weakness. The inability to endure criticism and seek to become better is not something I want our country to stoop to.


Was the past horrible. Yes, most things in the past are. Far more histories written about war, famine and injustices than warm sunny spring days. Have we as a country had horible and disgusting events, you bet your arse we have. Have we, as a country corrected, I would say more than most other civilizations/cultures around the globe and we are continuing the evolution. That is something that should be celebrated and protected, not look to tear it down and start over.

You again are arguing against something I'm not sure anyone here is advocating for. Maybe if you quoted the post you are referring to when you say we shouldn't tear something down and start over. Who/where on this board is it being argued that we should tear it all down and start over?

And if you a genuinely interested in discussion, would you please discuss your thoughts on the examples of the unequal application of the law that we have brought up?
 

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Are there racist people. Yes, there are. I have met some.
Do they hold positions of power, sometimes yes. Should they? Debatable but I generally answer with as long as it doesn't interfere with their job execution.
If they do, should they be removed? Yes, they should if their action is legitimately racist and not perceived racism.
You guys rail about how evil racist and terrible our system of government/civilization/culture is from the it's inception. I find that incorrect. I think this is the best cultivation of western civ the world has ever seen and the most forgiving, open and accepting civilization in the world. Just my opinion and not shared by the 95% on this board. So far, no one has even moved the neddle for me on that, but not for the lack of trying.
Was the past horrible. Yes, most things in the past are. Far more histories written about war, famine and injustices than warm sunny spring days. Have we as a country had horible and disgusting events, you bet your arse we have. Have we, as a country corrected, I would say more than most other civilizations/cultures around the globe and we are continuing the evolution. That is something that should be celebrated and protected, not look to tear it down and start over.
The crazy irony about conservatives hailing the US’s cultural standing in Western Civilization, is the tacit admission that it was liberal progressivism that made the US such a ‘beacon’
And then will turn around and rail against lib/prog with intense vituperation

It’s a trip
 

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I thought of making a thread just for BLM since I have a feeling that they will be in the news a lot in the next few weeks/months but this will fit here.

I guess this bad optics, but you have to spend all that money you swindled out of Americans at some point and no matter when, it would be brought up on line. It is cool place, I expect more of the house but I guess 1.4 million only gets so much in LA.
 

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I thought of making a thread just for BLM since I have a feeling that they will be in the news a lot in the next few weeks/months but this will fit here.

I guess this bad optics, but you have to spend all that money you swindled out of Americans at some point and no matter when, it would be brought up on line. It is cool place, I expect more of the house but I guess 1.4 million only gets so much in LA.

People who take advantage of causes and defraud other supporters just to enrich themselves should be punished severely.
 

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I thought of making a thread just for BLM since I have a feeling that they will be in the news a lot in the next few weeks/months but this will fit here.

I guess this bad optics, but you have to spend all that money you swindled out of Americans at some point and no matter when, it would be brought up on line. It is cool place, I expect more of the house but I guess 1.4 million only gets so much in LA.

Are you claiming that she has no other sources of income that could help her and her spouse afford this place and that the only answer is that she must be stealing or skimming from BLM donations?
 

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Are you claiming that she has no other sources of income that could help her and her spouse afford this place and that the only answer is that she must be stealing or skimming from BLM donations?
Did you read the article? Optics.
 

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Did you read the article? Optics.

I did. I was not focusing on the optics of the situation. I was asking you if you think that the only way she and her partner could afford this house is by stealing money.
 

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Are you claiming that she has no other sources of income that could help her and her spouse afford this place and that the only answer is that she must be stealing or skimming from BLM donations?
Activists for social change are only allowed to live in run down housing and are not allowed to make more than a decent living. Didn’t you get the memo?
 

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Activists for social change are only allowed to live in run down housing and are not allowed to make more than a decent living. Didn’t you get the memo?

I did not. Must have gotten lost in the same place my Soros check went.
 

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Interesting way to frame the study:


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"Campbell’s research also indicates that these protests correlate with a 10 percent increase in murders in the areas that saw BLM protests. That means from 2014 to 2019, there were somewhere between 1,000 and 6,000 more homicides than would have been expected..."

 

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