Now is not the time to talk about gun control (2 Viewers)

[brandon]

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[Texan1211]

I’m not making the assertion. What is your evidence, other than two things happening at the same time and it “feels” like it’s right, that it was a contributing factor?

gee, what does the sentence "MAY have been a contributing factor mean to you?

 

[brandon]

gee, what does the sentence "MAY have been a contributing factor mean to you?

It means you don’t have any evidence to support this claim and the entire post is useless.

Like, Domino’s pizza MAY be the source of COVID because we didn’t have COVID until we had Domino’s pizza.

 

[brandon]

I kindly suggest you take 2 minutes to do a modicum of research. Anyone who thinks there is less violence in schools today compared to the 1950's is just wrong on the facts.

Press Release - New NCES Data Show Increases in School Shootings and Cyberbullying in K–12 Schools Over the Last Decade - June 28, 2022

List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Uh, I don’t think there was more gun violence in the 1950s.

Congrats on using “modicum” in a sentence, though.

 

[Texan1211]

t means you don’t have any evidence to support this claim and the entire post is useless.

Oh, compared to your "proof" that it could not have been even a small factor? Okey-dokey!
Many things can contribute--like video games, the glorification of violence in movies and television, breakdown of families, more single-parent households, access to the internet and social media, etc.

 

[t_rav_82]

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[Dragon]

I kindly suggest you take 2 minutes to do a modicum of research. Anyone who thinks there is less violence in schools today compared to the 1950's is just wrong on the facts.

Press Release - New NCES Data Show Increases in School Shootings and Cyberbullying in K–12 Schools Over the Last Decade - June 28, 2022

List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cyberbullying is a key issue highlighted in one of the articles, and social media has become one of the most harmful inventions of the past decade. Adding to this problem was a president who openly mocked and bullied anyone he disagreed with, behaving more like an immature high school student than a leader. His remarks frequently targeted individuals’ appearance, intelligence, or character, rather than addressing their criticisms or ideas. The tone and content of his comments were often crafted to belittle, humiliate, or silence dissent, exacerbating the toxic environment fostered by social media.

 

[brandon]

Oh, compared to your "proof" that it could not have been even a small factor? Okey-dokey!
Many things can contribute--like video games, the glorification of violence in movies and television, breakdown of families, more single-parent households, access to the internet and social media, etc.

Also, Domino’s Pizza.

Edit: Sorry, I meant easy access to guns.

 

[Texan1211]

Uh, I don’t think there was more gun violence in the 1950s.

Congrats on using “modicum” in a sentence, though.

DUH!!! That has been my point, oft repeated.
There is more violence today.
Some want to argue against that fact, though, for some strange reason.

 

[Texan1211]

Adding to this problem was a president who openly mocked and bullied anyone he disagreed with, behaving more like an immature high school student than a leader. His remarks frequently targeted individuals’ appearance, intelligence, or character, rather than addressing their criticisms or ideas. The tone and content of his comments were often crafted to belittle, humiliate, or silence dissent, exacerbating the toxic environment fostered by social media.

Gee, why am I not surprised that Trump gets dragged into it.
SMH

 

[Texan1211]

Also, Domino’s Pizza.

Edit: Sorry, I meant easy access to guns.

Do minors really have more access to guns today?
Looks like it is very restricted, no state allows minors to purchase handguns, and I think only one lets minors purchase long guns.

State by State: A Guide to Age Requirements for Buying a Gun – GunSkins

Buying a new gun can be a complicated process. Understanding local and national age requirements and other regulations is the first step to purchasing your dream gun today.

www.gunskins.com

 

[MT15]

DUH!!! That has been my point, oft repeated.
There is more violence today.
Some want to argue against that fact, though, for some strange reason.

Nobody is arguing that - absolutely nobody. What we are trying to show you is that your “feelings” aren’t proof of anything - other than what you desperately want to be true.

For example - back before we had the polio vaccine there wasn’t this much violence in schools, so the polio vaccine could be a contributing factor for school shootings.

That’s what you are arguing for school prayer. Exactly. And there is zero proof of it.

 

[MT15]

Do minors really have more access to guns today?
Looks like it is very restricted, no state allows minors to purchase handguns, and I think only one lets minors purchase long guns.

State by State: A Guide to Age Requirements for Buying a Gun – GunSkins

Buying a new gun can be a complicated process. Understanding local and national age requirements and other regulations is the first step to purchasing your dream gun today.

www.gunskins.com

Another crazy assertion. Think back - how do school shooters obtain weapons? I know you can do this. It doesn’t have anything to do with purchasing guns, especially handguns.

 

[Texan1211]

Another crazy assertion. Think back - how do school shooters obtain weapons? I know you can do this. It doesn’t have anything to do with purchasing guns, especially handguns.

So how is access easier today?

 

[MT15]

So how is access easier today?

Think about where most school shooters have obtained their weapons. Think about the number of homes with assault rifles today compared to your favorite period of the 1950’s. I know you can do this.

 

[Texan1211]

Nobody is arguing that - absolutely nobody. What we are trying to show you is that your “feelings” aren’t proof of anything - other than what you desperately want to be true.

False, most of you have been making strawman arguments. I don't suppose you even know what a possibility is, but are ready to dismiss one out of hand, probably because you might be afraid it is true. Why else whine so much over me saying that it might be one contributing factor?

 

[Texan1211]

Think about where most school shooters have obtained their weapons. Think about the number of homes with assault rifles today compared to your favorite period of the 1950’s. I know you can do this.

Did people in the 50's 60's 70's not keep weapons at home? I remember seeing plenty of rifles in the back of pickup--even at SCHOOL--back in the day.

 

[Texan1211]

Nobody is arguing that - absolutely nobody. What we are trying to show you is that your “feelings” aren’t proof of anything - other than what you desperately want to be true.

For example - back before we had the polio vaccine there wasn’t this much violence in schools, so the polio vaccine could be a contributing factor for school shootings.

That’s what you are arguing for school prayer. Exactly. And there is zero proof of it.

How can you so definitively rule it out even as a possibility?

 

[MT15]

Did people in the 50's 60's 70's not keep weapons at home? I remember seeing plenty of rifles in the back of pickup--even at SCHOOL--back in the day.

Here is your answer to where underage school shooters get their guns. This is from a study that goes back decades. So as you can see - laws preventing minors from purchasing guns do not have anything to do with how adolescents get guns.

“About 42% of adolescent school shooters obtained the firearm from relatives, mostly through theft. About 30% procured a firearm from the street or an illegal market, 22% did so from friends, 5% obtained one from a stranger or victim and 2% got one through a licensed dealer.”

Here is the link to the study:

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/27379/Study-Adolescent-school-shooters-often-use-guns?autologincheck=redirected

Also, while the percentage of households owning guns has risen only about 10% over the years, from 37% to 48% or so depending on the source, the actual number of firearms owned has gone up considerably. So it’s fair to say that guns are more accessible today, since there are so many of them.

“With 120.5 civilian-owned firearms per 100 people, the United States has the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world—nearly double that of the second-place country, in fact.”

Gun Ownership by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com