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    May as well say, well, when we had inter planetary aliens not invade, we had less shooting.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Facts say the incidents of violence were lower. Are you arguing against fact now?
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    No, but you have yet to prove that school violence is connected to the absence of school prayers, rather than the far more likely factor: the increased availability of firearms today compared to 1960. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban, officially known as the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, expired on September 13, 2004. This legislation had prohibited the manufacture and sale of certain semi-automatic firearms classified as assault weapons, as well as magazines holding more than ten rounds.
    With the expiration of this ban, access to firearms, including semi-automatic weapons, became significantly easier. This is a much more plausible explanation for the dramatic increase in school shootings.
    • 1960 to 2004 (44 years): Fewer than 100 documented school shootings occurred. Until 1979, only one major school shooting stood out—the 1966 University of Texas tower shooting.
    • 2004 to Present (21 years): There have been over 400 documented school shooting incidents—a stark and troubling increase.
    If school prayers were truly a decisive factor, we would expect to see a spike in school shootings in the early 1960s when prayer in schools started being legally challenged. Instead, the data clearly show that the major increase occurred after 2004, aligning with the removal of restrictions on assault weapons.
    This pattern strongly suggests that easy access to guns, particularly semi-automatic firearms, is the real driver behind the school shooting epidemic—not the absence of prayer in schools.
     
    Dragon said:
    No, but you have yet to prove that school violence is connected to the absence of school prayers
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    I didn't make the claim other than when there was prayer in schools, violence was lower. I didn't say it was BECAUSE of prayers, that is something some must have erroneously concluded.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    I didn't make the claim other than when there was prayer in schools, violence was lower. I didn't say it was BECAUSE of prayers, that is something some must have erroneously concluded.
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    Backtracking again are you

    "Kind of hard to dispute the facts that when prayers were said in school, there was far less school violence." Direct quote...

    Kind of hard to dispute" So again writing something and backtracking when shown data does not support your claim,
     
    Dragon said:
    Backtracking again are you

    "Kind of hard to dispute the facts that when prayers were said in school, there was far less school violence." Direct quote...

    Kind of hard to dispute" So again writing something and backtracking when shown data does not support your claim,
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    Didn't backtrack, stop letting your imagination run wild.
    The data DOES support the claim.
    At the time we had prayer in schools, incidences of school violence were far lower.
    Now, that doesn't mean that prayer was THE reason but it may have been a factor.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Didn't backtrack, stop letting your imagination run wild.
    The data DOES support the claim.
    At the time we had prayer in schools, incidences of school violence were far lower.
    Now, that doesn't mean that prayer was THE reason but it may have been a factor.
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    There’s zero evidence of prayer in the schools being any sort of factor in stopping school shootings.

    Correlation doesn’t equal causation, even if you want it to.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Didn't backtrack, stop letting your imagination run wild.
    The data DOES support the claim.
    At the time we had prayer in schools, incidences of school violence were far lower.
    Now, that doesn't mean that prayer was THE reason but it may have been a factor.
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    Do you claim that there is a direct correlation between mandatory school prayer and school shootings, and if so, do you have data to support the claim?
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    Do you claim that there is a direct correlation between mandatory school prayer and school shootings, and if so, do you have data to support the claim?
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    Not at all. Nothing I have written should have prompted such a question.
     
    On a per capita basis I'm not sure that school violence has gotten worse.

    When my dad was in high school a student blew up the gym with diamite. Students shooting other students was not unheard of.

    During my time in school there were two cases of student murder.

    Right after I was through with school a student held my old school hostage for most of a day. Two years after that one student killed two other students and one adult at home. It started at the school.

    We had lots of bomb threats, Vietnam unrest caused most of that.

    There clearly has been a decline of small and petty violence in schools. Way fewer fistfights.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Did you read somewhere that I stated that?
    Or is this a strawman argument?
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    You claimed the data supports your argument. It doesn’t, because correlation does not equal causation.

    Also, a straw man argument has an actual definition. It’s not just “arguments I don’t agree with/understand”.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Well, unless you can prove it, it MAY have been a contributing factor.
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    I’m not making the assertion. What is your evidence, other than two things happening at the same time and it “feels” like it’s right, that it was a contributing factor?
     
    brandon said:
    You claimed the data supports your argument. It doesn’t, because correlation does not equal causation
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    I kindly suggest you take 2 minutes to do a modicum of research. Anyone who thinks there is less violence in schools today compared to the 1950's is just wrong on the facts.

    List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

    en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
     

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