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    Yeah, any competent politician would know better, even if they didn’t actually have a soul they would know better than to reveal it like that.
     
    Listening to a podcast on conspiracy theories with Jordan Klepper and they were going over Jade Helm back during the Obama presidency, and they reminded me that Greg Abbott was idiotic enough that he actually activated the TX National Guard during that. (Conspiracy theory was that Obama was going to use the military to stay in office). So we’re not dealing with a genius in Abbott.
     
    MT15 said:
    Listening to a podcast on conspiracy theories with Jordan Klepper and they were going over Jade Helm back during the Obama presidency, and they reminded me that Greg Abbott was idiotic enough that he actually activated the TX National Guard during that. (Conspiracy theory was that Obama was going to use the military to stay in office). So we’re not dealing with a genius in Abbott.
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    What is the name of this podcastM
     
    I think it’s called Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy.

    Edit: It was The Daily Show - Ears Edition, Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy, Hunter Biden’s Laptop episode.
     
    MT15 said:
    I think it’s called Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy.

    Edit: It was The Daily Show - Ears Edition, Jordan Klepper Fingers the Conspiracy, Hunter Biden’s Laptop episode.
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    Thanks! I always love the Jordan Klepper bits. He was great last week hosting the Daily Show. Desi is also really good.
     
    MT15 said:
    Yeah, any competent politician would know better, even if they didn’t actually have a soul they would know better than to reveal it like that.
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    They don't care any more. They know their voters will love it and won't vote them out of office for being such heartless dicks. This is a feather in Greg's cap, to him.

    The problem is not only the right wing politicians, it's the right wing voters.
     
    …….Abbott's response also tells us a lot about why most Republican leaders refuse to do anything to keep guns out of the hands of unhinged people, even as most Americans support better regulations on guns. The grim reality is Republicans believe they benefit politically from mass shootings.

    For decades, the two most reliable emotions Republicans can tap into in order to motivate their base are racism and fear. A country overrun with guns allows them to dial up the fear to the maximum.

    Watch Fox News any given night or listen to Trump's speeches. It's all about how America is supposedly a crime-ridden apocalyptic wasteland, and how only authoritarian leaders can save us from all the violence. Having a steady drumbeat of murder stories helps prop this narrative up.

    But, of course, tied into that narrative is blatant racism. That's why Abbott labeled these victims "illegal immigrants." He's selling a story where it's not the guns that are the problem, but that some dark-skinned foreigners are somehow bringing the violence to this country.

    Dehumanizing the victims also helps convince white conservatives that they don't have to care about these deaths. That the problem isn't that a clearly disturbed person had access to a gun that can take out a whole family in the space of a few seconds. No, they can tell themselves that the real problem is racial diversity…….

    Republican voters have been trained to see people of color not as fellow human beings, but as an existential threat to themselves. That mentality, as history tells us, leads straight to genocidal thinking.

    Stories like this, where victims of a mass shooting are predominantly people of color, function on two levels for the Republican base. It stokes fear of chaos, justifying their desire for fascistic leadership.

    But it also satisfies their cruel desire to inflict pain on immigrants, or see them erased entirely. Why on earth would Republicans pass policies that save the lives of people they hate?

    This line of thinking is always pulsing beneath the Republican discourse on guns, living in the subtext of their reactions to any murder story where the victims aren't white.

    Sometimes, however, the subtext becomes the text, such as when the 2022 GOP nominee for Arizona's senate seat, Blake Masters, said the reason we have a gun violence problem is "Black people, frankly."

    Abbott layered a little more plausible deniability into his tweet, but he was pointing in the same direction: Using this horrible crime to imply a whiter country would be a less violent one……..



    Gov. Abbott exploits another shooting for a racist story about guns

    The GOP base has embraced white nationalist conspiracy theories — and they don't care if immigrants get murdered
    www.salon.com
     
    We saw it by some on SR thread on the teen shot for going to the wrong house

    Combination of victim blaming/perpetrator excusing

    The kid opened the screen door, he knocked ‘aggressively’, how did he get the address wrong?
     
    LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Karen Kobylik knew her daughter should not have a gun. She had repeatedly called the police since her daughter turned 21, pleading with them to take her firearms because of the risk she posed to herself and others.

    “They said we can’t take any guns away from her because we cannot step on her Second Amendment right,” Kobylik told The Associated Press. “I was like, ‘I’m a mother telling you that this kid’s got a mental issue that is not currently being addressed.’”

    Kobylik’s daughter, Ruby Taverner, shot and killed her brother and boyfriend before taking her own life in the early morning of May 8 last year. Kobylik believes all three lives could have been saved had red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders, existed in Michigan that would have allowed police to remove her daughter’s guns and prevented her from purchasing more.

    Now Michigan is poised to become the 20th state — and the first in nearly three years — to pass a red flag law. It would allow family members, police, mental health professionals, roommates and former dating partners to petition a judge to remove firearms from those they believe pose an imminent threat to themselves or others.

    Kobylik said her daughter had been treated for mental health problems including depression since the age of 7 but had stopped taking her medication at 18. Just days before the killings, Taverner purchased the Glock 43X used in the shooting after she had been released from a psychiatric hospital for threatening to take her own life, Kobylik said.

    Taverner and her brother, Bishop, were both 22. Her boyfriend, Ray Muscat, was 24.

    The red flag measure faces pushback on the local level in a state where gun-owning culture runs deep. Over half of the state’s counties have passed resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment “sanctuaries,” opposing laws they believe infringe on gun rights. Some sheriffs have said they will have trouble enforcing something they believe is unconstitutional.

    “At the end of the day, the utmost responsibility for a sheriff is to uphold the Constitution,” Van Buren County Sheriff Daniel Abbott said………

    Michigan nears red flag gun law, but some sheriffs likely to ignore it

    Michigan could become the 20th state to pass a red flag law as the state looks for ways to address gun violence after its second mass school shooting in 15 months. The legislation has passed the Democratic-led Legislature and would be the first red flag gun legislation to pass in nearly three...
    apnews.com
     

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