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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

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WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Here is what is plainly obvious. You aren’t interested in corruption. You are obcessed with getting rid of Trump. That is all you want to talk about. Correct me if I am wrong.

First, I want to get rid of Trump, because he is terribly and lethally corrupt. That's plainly obvious to everyone, except to you and Sendai apparently. Second, I'm interested in removing anyone who is corrupt from government. I wanted Bob Menendez removed from the Senate immediately. I didn't want to wait for the outcome of his trial.

Any corruption short of Trump gets a pass.

Not from me it doesn't. I said just a few days ago to my fellow Californian @longtime lurker that I would never vote for Newsum again for anything, because he opposed ballot measures that would have helped get runaway rent prices under control. He also opposed banning prisons from using prisoners as below minimum wage labor.

I have no confidence that you or any of your fellow party members...

I'm not a member of any party and I don't vote by party. I vote by person. It just so happens that right now almost every Democrat is a better choice than almost every Republican. That's Trump's and his Republican's fault. You are the one that seems to vote Republican, even when the Republican is Trump.

...will go after corruption in your party. None. It will be stonewalled, called a witch hunt, etc.

You’re projecting how you are onto others. You keep making excuses for Trump's and his Republican's corruption. You keep trying to change the subject of Trump's and his Republican's corruption to something else, like you're doing right now. You keep falsely saying "they're just as bad" whenever someone points out Trump's and his Republican's corruption.

You constantly deny, deflect, and distort to defend Trump and his Republicans. Why do you keep doing this if you honestly don't support and/or sympathize with the corruptness of Trump and his Republicans?

That is exactly what I mean when I say that the underlying problem will remain long after Trump is gone.

You falsely believe that as a whole the Democrats are as corrupt as Trump and his Republicans are. That is false and the last 9 years is proof that it's false to anyone who isn't a supporter and/or sympathizer of Trump and his Repbublicans.

You are focused on treating the symptoms of the problem and not the problem itself.

That's false. I'm focused on treating both the cause and the symptoms at the same time. The best course of action is to deal with both the symptoms and the causes at the same time. It does no good to treat the cause of a heart attack if you don't treat the symptoms of the heart attack first. I've spoken about specific reforms in a lot of different areas that we need to help decrease corruption and the influence of corruption.

Trump and his Republicans are both a symptom and a cause, so getting rid of Trump and his Republicans goes a long ways toward treating both the cause and the symptoms of most of the corruption in our government. We have to remove them to clear the way for the changes we need to make to deal with corrupton. As long as they have even a little power, they will continue to block and undermine everything we do to try to end corruption.

When the shoe is on the other foot, your party will circle the wagons just like the GOP.

I'm not a member of any party. Name one thing any Democrat has done in the last 9 years that is as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capitol to overturn the will of the voters?

You and Sendai keep ignoring that Trump and his Republicans did that and it's the most corrupt thing any president and any members of Congress have ever been involved with. The two of you constantly ignoring that fact and doing your damnedest to try to distract away from that fact is proof that you know that's the most corrupt thing ever done and that no Democrat comes close to being that corrupt.

That's proof to me that neither you nor Sendai are being honest or acting in good faith. You're both on a mission to run interference for Trump's and his Republican's corruption. You know they are corrupt, but instead of calling it out, you try to excuse it, deny it, distract from it, distort it and at times outright defend it.

You jumped into a conversation that was only about Trump's corruption compared to former presidents to say "why aren't you talking about the Democrats' corruption" and then added the falsehood "you're not really interested in ending corruption because you're only talking about Trump." I was only talking about Trump's corruption in that conversation, because that conversation was only about Trump's corruption. Even then, I pointed out how I have a long history of being I'm interested in ending all corruption, regardless of party affiliation.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

yep, so this happened

Trump doesn't look like that, but that is exactly how he stands. Trump looks like the Leaning Tower of Pisa when he's standing.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I am surprised that someone hasn't edited the picture to change the red undies to a pair of Depends.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I’m saying it (DC) operates like a college fraternity. You don’t succeed by ratting on your fellow party brothers and sisters. So they ( D’s and R’s) play from the same playbook.

Wrong and history proves it. Several Democratic senators called for a vote to have Menendez removed without waiting for a conviction. Other Democrats said everyone deserves due process. Immediately after Menendez was convicted, the Democratic majority leader publicly told Menendez to resign or be ousted. Menendez resigned.

Circle the wagons, delay, stonewall, deflect, run out the clock.

This is projecting, because this is exactly what Trump and his Republicans do. The Democrats do not do this when one of their members has truly crossed a line. Al Franken is another example of that.

Occasionally you get someone like Menendez...

Al Franken and others. Now, name the time Republicans have done it to one of their own who was still in good standing with Trump.

The ONLY reason Biden...

Talk about moving the goal posts. Biden being pressured to step down from running had nothing to do with corruption at all. You're not acting in good faith, TampaJoe, in my humble opinion.

Supporters and sympathizers of Trump and his Republicans are deceptive and act in bad faith, because that's all the Republican party is now. Trump and the Republicans are nothing but deception and bad faith smothered in a whole lot of lethally bad intentions.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Are the two sides equally corrupt. I dunno. Opinions will vary.

But the facts stay the same no matter how much opinions may vary.

Name one thing a Democrat has done in the last 9 years that is as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capitol to try to overturn the will of the voters.

No matter how many times I keep asking this, you and Sendai ignore it completely. I wonder why that is?

The question is whether either side is any more ethical or willing to stand up to its own members than the other. My opinion is no.

You're opinion is contradicted by recent historical facts. You're free to have a mistaken opinion, but your mistaken opinion does not change facts that are verified by history. No matter how many times you repeat your factually incorrect opinion.

 

[MT15]

So you expect the GOP to do something the Dems wouldn’t do if the shoe were on the other foot. That’s the point.

And they wouldn’t. Hell, they would have run the entire race with Biden if it hadn’t been for his face plant during the debate in front of the nation. The only reason the ditched him was because they couldn’t gaslight the public after the debate. It wasn’t because the party found its balls.

If you can’t see that then it’s you who are biased. You think there is some big difference between the parties. Nobody outside the party believes that. They watched the party lie and coverup for Biden. They watched the party lie about the border. They watched the party lie about the crime problem. So telling us that the party would behave any differently from the Republicans is just another lie.

Party politics is like a college fraternity. You don’t get ahead with that crowd siding against your fellow brothers/sisters.

So you can keep telling yourself that your party is different if it helps you. But outside your party, nobody is buying it.

All of this is just more bobbing and weaving to try to avoid discussing Jan 6 and the attempt to overthrow a free and fair election that including trying to influence lawmakers to decertify properly certified elections and award the election to Trump even though he lost. It also included incitement to riot at the Capitol, and sitting and gleefully watching the carnage on TV for hours and refusing to call out the National Guard. Nothing like this has ever been done by any politician of either party. Not to mention pardoning rioters who smashed into the Capitol and beat up cops mercilessly.

This should have been a bright line that nobody in the GOP would cross. And they made noises right after Jan 6, but when it came right down to it they refused to convict in the Senate. They welcomed him back into the fold. They called the rioters who smeared feces on the walls of the Capitol “patriots” and “victims”.

I don’t have a party. But I can tell you which party has capitulated to an autocrat who wanted to do away with the Constitution and which party has not done that.

My conscience is clear in this matter. I’m not making excuses for the abomination written above.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Yeah the party “forced” him out...

Biden being forced out of running had nothing to do with corruption, so it's oddly irrelevant for you to keep trying to use that as an example of Democrats allowing corruption like Trump and his Republicans most certainly do. It seems to me you're grasping at straws to try to defend what you know is an indefensible "opinion."

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

But that isn’t what I’m talking about.

It's exactly what you first started talking about. You are now changing what you are talking about, because you know you are wrong about what you first started talking about. You know you are wrong that the Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and his Republicans are corrupt.

You're now trying to run as far away from your original statement as you can, because you know it's not true and you see how easily several different people have proven that is false.

...sounds like the same playbook to me. Nothing to see here. Move along.

This is just more projecting what you actually do onto other who actually aren't doing it.

 

[TampaJoe]

First, I want to get rid of Trump, because he is terribly and lethally corrupt. That's plainly obvious to everyone, except to you and Sendai apparently. Second, I'm interested in removing anyone who is corrupt from government. I wanted Bob Menendez removed from the Senate immediately. I didn't want to wait for the outcome of his trial.


Not from me it doesn't. I said just a few days ago to my fellow Californian @longtime lurker that I would never vote for Newsum again for anything, because he opposed ballot measures that would have helped get runaway rent prices under control. He also opposed banning prisons from using prisoners as below minimum wage labor.


I'm not a member of any party and I don't vote by party. I vote by person. It just so happens that right now almost every Democrat is a better choice than almost every Republican. That's Trump's and his Republican's fault. You are the one that seems to vote Republican, even when the Republican is Trump.


You’re projecting how you are onto others. You keep making excuses for Trump's and his Republican's corruption. You keep trying to change the subject of Trump's and his Republican's corruption to something else, like you're doing right now. You keep falsely saying "they're just as bad" whenever someone points out Trump's and his Republican's corruption.

You constantly deny, deflect, and distort to defend Trump and his Republicans. Why do you keep doing this if you honestly don't support and/or sympathize with the corruptness of Trump and his Republicans?


You falsely believe that as a whole the Democrats are as corrupt as Trump and his Republicans are. That is false and the last 9 years is proof that it's false to anyone who isn't a supporter and/or sympathizer of Trump and his Repbublicans.


That's false. I'm focused on treating both the cause and the symptoms at the same time. The best course of action is to deal with both the symptoms and the causes at the same time. It does no good to treat the cause of a heart attack if you don't treat the symptoms of the heart attack first. I've spoken about specific reforms in a lot of different areas that we need to help decrease corruption and the influence of corruption.

Trump and his Republicans are both a symptom and a cause, so getting rid of Trump and his Republicans goes a long ways toward treating both the cause and the symptoms of most of the corruption in our government. We have to remove them to clear the way for the changes we need to make to deal with corrupton. As long as they have even a little power, they will continue to block and undermine everything we do to try to end corruption.


I'm not a member of any party. Name one thing any Democrat has done in the last 9 years that is as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capitol to overturn the will of the voters?

You and Sendai keep ignoring that Trump and his Republicans did that and it's the most corrupt thing any president and any members of Congress have ever been involved with. The two of you constantly ignoring that fact and doing your damnedest to try to distract away from that fact is proof that you know that's the most corrupt thing ever done and that no Democrat comes close to being that corrupt.

That's proof to me that neither you nor Sendai are being honest or acting in good faith. You're both on a mission to run interference for Trump's and his Republican's corruption. You know they are corrupt, but instead of calling it out, you try to excuse it, deny it, distract from it, distort it and at times outright defend it.

You jumped into a conversation that was only about Trump's corruption compared to former presidents to say "why aren't you talking about the Democrats' corruption" and the added the falsehood "you're not really interested in ending corruption because you're only talking about Trump." I was only talking about Trump's corruption in that conversation, because that conversation was only about Trump's corruption. Even then, I pointed out how I have a long history of being I'm interested in ending all corruption, regardless of party affiliation.

I have condemned Trumps corruption several times. I have condemned corruption in government. I have normalized none of it. Zero. Zilch. No excuses.

So if you want to discuss how to deal with corruption, all of it, I’m all ears. But if all you want to do is talk about one parties corruption and ignore the other, that’s simply a waste of time. Both parties have their problems. Both parties defend, deflect, destroy, delay when it comes to dealing with this issue within their party. Unless you deal with it comprehensively rather than unilaterally, nothing will ever get done. It hasn’t worked since Nixon. It won’t work now. Unless both parties agree to a standard and are willing to toe that line regardless of party, neither side will do a thing. That’s how trust is built and right now neither party trusts the other to do the right thing.

 

[TampaJoe]

But the facts stay the same no matter how much opinions may vary.

Name one thing a Democrat has done in the last 9 years that is as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capitol to try to overturn the will of the voters.

No matter how many times I keep asking this, you and Sendai ignore it completely. I wonder why that is?




Your opinion is contradicted by recent historical facts. You're free to have a mistaken opinion, but your mistaken opinion does not change facts that are verified by history. No matter how many times you repeat your factually incorrect opinion.

When then sitting President, Vice President, the FBI director knowingly and purposefully use false information obtained for money from the Russians to launch an investigation into the opposition candidate. When that information is used to deceptively obtain warrants from a FISA court to surveil a citizen. That is clear abuse of power and as unethical and corrupt as it gets. That is screwing with an election. And that predated Jan 6 and cost this country millions of dollars in two special counsel investigations.

So you can dump all that BS about your party would never do such a thing. It did. And I’m betting you will defend it this very day.

 

[TampaJoe]

Biden being forced out of running had nothing to do with corruption, so it's oddly irrelevant for you to keep trying to use that as an example of Democrats allowing corruption like Trump and his Republicans most certainly do. It seems to me you're grasping at straws to try to defend what you know is an indefensible "opinion."

Covering for Biden and lying to the electorate was the corruption. The debate just made it undeniable. Think all those folks who listened to that BS for months from the party and the administration didn’t believe they were lied to? Do you believe that?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

But if all you want to do is talk about one parties corruption and ignore the other...

I keep asking you a question that gives you an opportunity to talk about corruption by Democrats. I've been giving you a golden invitation to show why you think the Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and the Republicans and you keep ignoring it. Let's try it again.

Name one thing a Democrat has done in the last 9 years that is as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capitol to try to overturn the will of the voters.

Both parties defend, deflect, destroy, delay when it comes to dealing with this issue within their party.

That's false and it's observably false. Trump, his Republicans, his supporters and his sympathizers all defend, deflect, destroy, and delay to a much greater and more corrupt degree than Democrats do.

It's mostly what you do whenever someone points out how corrupt Trump and his Republicans are. You always try to defend it with false "both sides" nonsense, deflect by trying to change the focus to something else, distorting what someone said to destroy what they actually said, and delay giving a straight forward answering by tap dancing around the question.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

When then sitting President, Vice President, the FBI director knowingly and purposefully use false information obtained for money from the Russians to launch an investigation into the opposition candidate. When that information is used to deceptively obtain warrants from a FISA court to surveil a citizen. That is clear abuse of power and as unethical and corrupt as it gets. That is screwing with an election.

That never really happened as you described and believed it to have happened. There are a couple of grains of accurate facts in there, but the entire false narrative is Trump's and his Republican's false narrative. The fact that you believe that false narrative in its entirety pretty much proves that you're a true believer in Trump and his Republicans, because only they believe in that false narrative as gospel.

What really happened is corrupt and shouldn't happen, but it's on the same level of corruption as what Nixon did. It's not nearly as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capital to overthrow the will of us voters after they’ve cast their votes. Nothing anyone else has done is as corrupt as what Trump and the Republicans did January 6th, 2021.

So you can dump all that BS about your party...

I'm not a member of any party.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Covering for Biden and lying to the electorate was the corruption.

I've witnessed firsthand multiple times with my father, that when an elderly person gets an infection it can cause them temporary cognitive decline. My father is in the hospital right now, because he's completely disoriented to people, place, and time. On Saturday night he was fully oriented, but he was completely disoriented by Sunday morning.

In the past, it’s been UTI's that have caused him to have rapid, temporary cognitive decline. Yesterday, the doctors started him on an antibiotic that the culture report shows the bacteria is susceptible to. He's already had a slight improvement in orientation. He still has to have one-on-one care around the clock, because he’s still mostly disoriented. He’s never declined this much before, so we don’t know how much he will or won’t recover. The doctors don’t think it’s because of the UTI this time. I’m hoping they are wrong. We won’t know for a few more days if he'll recover this time.

Biden had flu or some other infection the night of the debate. Biden demonstrated on several public occasions after the debate that what happened during the debate was an exception and not the norm for him. Biden had the normal increased frailty, slowing down and decrease in stamina that naturally comes with age, but his baseline was at a level of mental fitness. Like all candidates, Biden’s team tried to control his image to cast him in the most favorable light. Biden was mentally fit, so there was no mental unfitness and no cover up.

The only reason you believe that the Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and his Republicans is because you believe the lies that Trump and the Republicans tell you.

 

[MT15]

When then sitting President, Vice President, the FBI director knowingly and purposefully use false information obtained for money from the Russians to launch an investigation into the opposition candidate. When that information is used to deceptively obtain warrants from a FISA court to surveil a citizen. That is clear abuse of power and as unethical and corrupt as it gets. That is screwing with an election. And that predated Jan 6 and cost this country millions of dollars in two special counsel investigations.

So you can dump all that BS about your party would never do such a thing. It did. And I’m betting you will defend it this very day.

Where is your proof that any of that happened as you say it did? What source do you have that isn’t in the bag for Trump?

I’ll give you a hint - you don’t have any proof of that. What you have are wild lies told by a candidate desperate to cover up his ties with Russia and his willingness to accept help from anywhere to tilt an election. One that he ended up winning, btw. And formerly respectable party members willing to repeat those lies to curry favor with a sociopath.

What has happened here is that you are using conspiracy theories to prop up your biases. If any of that happened - how did it happen under Trump’s own administration?

Before the election not one official action by the FBI was disclosed to the public, how is that screwing with an election? Especially since the FBI director had no problem making public announcements about the opposition candidate very close to the election?

This is just crazy conspiracy talk to salve Trump’s massive ego, being carried out by a political party that has turned into a personality cult. Nothing more than that. It’s sickening to watch.

Believe me we have discussed all of this ad nauseum before you got here.

 

[TampaJoe]

That never really happened as you described and believed it to have happened. There are a couple of grains of accurate facts in there, but the entire false narrative is Trump's and his Republican's false narrative. The fact that you believe that false narrative in its entirety pretty much proves that you're a true believer in Trump and his Republicans, because only they believe in that false narrative as gospel.

What really happened is corrupt and shouldn't happen, but it's on the same level of corruption as what Nixon did. It's not nearly as corrupt as sending an angry mob to attack the Capital to overthrow the will of us voters after they’ve cast their votes. Nothing anyone else has done is as corrupt as what Trump and the Republicans did January 6th, 2021.


I'm not a member of any party.

You prove my point.

 

[MT15]

You prove my point.

I would love to see you actually prove your point. With real proof - not just “well, it’s my opinion”. Your proof that the 2016 election was tampered with by democrats?

 

[MT15]

Is this real? I want to believe it’s not real, but I haven’t seen anyone saying it’s fake yet.