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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

When laws are only applied to those that doesn't support the nation's dear leader, that nation has become a lawless, rogue nation.

 

[Dragon]

It’s real. My goodness, he’s completely deranged.

But let’s talk about Biden’s supposed issues, right?

Donald Trump threatens to take away Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship

The president has had a long-standing conflict with the comedian turned talk show host.

www.newsweek.com

And a perfect answer from Rosie

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

You prove my point.

You said I don't care about really care about corruption. That I only used that to bash Trump. That was you point.

In every case of a Democrats corruption, I've said it's corrupt and should stop. Even in your mostly false explanation of how the investigation into Trump and Russian connections prior to the 2016 election I said this, "What really happened is corrupt and shouldn't happen..."

If you were honestly and sincerely listening to what I tell you, then you'd know that I disproved your point. Your mind seems completely closed, because you don't hear what people actually say. Instead, you hear only what you want and need to hear in order to continue to deny objective reality and objective facts that contradict what you mistakenly believe to be true.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Someone on Blue Sky said that as dementia takes hold people begin living more and more in the past.

Some do. Some people with dementia also get more and more paranoid. I expect Trump to get more and more paranoid. I expect him to turn on those around him more irrationally and worse than he normally does.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

He is and has been since Musk first threatened him.

If Trump is afraid of the Epstein file, then I think it's because they know that Elon or someone else has an original, unaltered and verifiable copy of the files. Trump controls whatever files Bondi has, so I don't see him being worried about whatever she has, unless he knows someone else has it too.

Trump and Bondi gave DOGE access to DOJ earlier in the year, so Musk or one of his staffers might have gotten their hands on the files.

My guess is that Bondi was set to release an altered version of the files that removed any references to Trump, but they found out someone had the unaltered files that implicate Trump, so they then went into panicked damage control mode. That would explain going from bragging about having the client list on her desk to realease, to suddenly claiming there isn't a client list, and now to Trump claming the list was faked by a who's who roster of Democrats.

 

[TampaJoe]

You said I don't care about really care about corruption. That I only used that to bash Trump. That was you point.

In every case of a Democrats corruption, I've said it's corrupt and should stop. Even in your mostly false explanation of how the investigation into Trump and Russian connections prior to the 2016 election I said this, "What really happened is corrupt and shouldn't happen..."

If you were honestly and sincerely listening to what I tell you, then you'd know that I disproved your point. Your mind seems completely closed, because you don't hear what people actually say. Instead, you hear only what you want and need to hear in order to continue to deny objective reality and objective facts that contradict what you mistakenly believe to be true.

Point taken. I would honestly say that you also hear what you want to hear.

I have also said that corruption should stop. I have not said that one party or the other gets a pass. Said it multiple times. And when I do then the whole conversation spirals down a rabbit hole about which corruption is better or worse than the other. So instead not focusing on the problem, corruption, we focus on the symptoms without solving the problem. Obviously what we are doing isn’t working.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Point taken. I would honestly say that you also hear what you want to hear.

I have also said that corruption should stop. I have not said that one party or the other gets a pass. Said it multiple times. And when I do then the whole conversation spirals down a rabbit hole about which corruption is better or worse than the other.

There has not been any spiraling down a rabbit hole. You have said multiple times that Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and Republicans.

That's factually and verifiably not true. Trump and the Republicans are verifiably more corrupt than Democrats. A person has to believe the lies of Trump and the Republicans to believe the falsehood that Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and Republicans.

So instead not focusing on the problem, corruption, we focus on the symptoms without solving the problem.

The biggest cause of corruption right now is Trump and the Republicans. Vote them out of office and a lot of the current corruption ends.

We still need to put stronger systems in place to prevent everyone and anyone from reaching the level of corruption that Trump and the Republicans are currently operating at.

The system having flaws that allow corruption is not the cause of corruption. I can get away with buying a cheeseburger at McDonald's, but if I go buy a cheeseburger at McDonald's I'm the sole cause of me buying a cheeseburger at McDonald's. The system did not cause Senator Menendez's corruption. Senator Menendez was the sole cause of his corruption.

Obviously what we are doing isn’t working.

The only thing that's broken or not working is voters. Too many voters keep voting for people who have proven they are corrupt and that's a bigger issue with Trump and Republicans than it is with Democrats.

Voters knew Trump was corrupt when they voted for him, but enough of them still voted for Trump to put his corrupt arse right back in the Oval Office. The same is true for all of the MAGA Republicans which is the vast majority of Republicans now. MAGA is corrupt to its core and it is tyrannical bigotry to its core.

You keep trying to blame the system as the cause of corruption. The governmental system is not the cause of corruption. Campaign finance laws are a bigger contributor to corruption. The primary contribution to corruption is voters voting for people they know are completely, or almost completely, corrupt. If voters didn't vote for corrupt people, then we'd have a lot less corruption in government, even if we didn't change anything about the system.

 

[TampaJoe]

There has not been any spiraling down a rabbit hole. You have said multiple times that Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and Republicans.

That's factually and verifiably not true. Trump and the Republicans are verifiably more corrupt than Democrats. A person has to believe the lies of Trump and the Republicans to believe the falsehood that Democrats are just as corrupt as Trump and Republicans.


The biggest cause of corruption right now is Trump and the Republicans. Vote them out of office and a lot of the current corruption ends.

We still need to put stronger systems in place to prevent everyone and anyone from reaching the level of corruption that Trump and the Republicans are currently operating at.

The system having flaws that allow corruption is not the cause of corruption. I can get away with buying a cheeseburger at McDonald's, but if I go buy a cheeseburger at McDonald's I'm the sole cause of me buying a cheeseburger at McDonald's. The system did not cause Senator Menendez's corruption. Senator Menendez was the sole cause of his corruption.


The only thing that's broken or not working is voters. Too many voters keep voting for people who have proven they are corrupt and that's a bigger issue with Trump and Republicans than it is with Democrats. Voters new Trump was corrupt, but enough of them voted for him to put his corrupt arse right back in the Oval Office. The same is true for all of the MAGA Republicans which is the vast majority of Republicans now. MAGA is corrupt at its core and it is tyrannical bigotry at its core.

You keep trying to blame the system for the corruption. The system is not the cause of corruption. Voters voting for people they know are completely, or almost completely, corrupt are the root cause of the corruption in our government.

And again, you prove my point.

I’m not gonna argue the point. You have your opinion. All those voters you think are broken will decide for themselves. According to the latest polling, both parties have serious trust issues. Blaming the voters isn’t a good strategy IMV.

 

[Bolo]

So Trump is selling weapons to Ukraine, that will make a lot of his base who is already mad, more mad because they're no more weapons to Ukraine crowd.

What did people even get for voting for him? They got a crappy bill that the house started 14 months before he won the election. No Epstein transparency, everything is still the same in regards to transparency on the other issues he promised his base he'd get to the bottom of.

 

[MT15]

So Trump is selling weapons to Ukraine, that will make a lot of his base who is already mad, more mad because they're no more weapons to Ukraine crowd.

What did people even get for voting for him? They got a crappy bill that the house started 14 months before he won the election. No Epstein transparency, everything is still the same in regards to transparency on the other issues he promised his base he'd get to the bottom of.

I guess I don’t have anything to offer someone who saw Trump’s first term, and thought he would do anything on his own to help anyone but himself. What were they thinking?

 

[Sendai]

So Trump is selling weapons to Ukraine, that will make a lot of his base who is already mad, more mad because they're no more weapons to Ukraine crowd.

What did people even get for voting for him? They got a crappy bill that the house started 14 months before he won the election. No Epstein transparency, everything is still the same in regards to transparency on the other issues he promised his base he'd get to the bottom of.

NATO is buying and transferring the weapons to Ukraine.

“The United States is selling weapons to its NATO allies in Europe so they can provide them to Ukraine as it struggles to fend off a recent escalation in Russia’s drone and missile attacks, President Donald Trump and his chief diplomat said.

“We’re sending weapons to NATO, and NATO is paying for those weapons, 100%,” Trump said in an interview with NBC News late Thursday. “So what we’re doing is, the weapons that are going out are going to NATO, and then NATO is going to be giving those weapons (to Ukraine), and NATO is paying for those weapons.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Friday that some of the U.S.-made weapons that Ukraine is seeking are deployed with NATO allies in Europe. Those weapons could be transferred to Ukraine, with European countries buying replacements from the U.S., he said.”

US is selling weapons to NATO allies to give to Ukraine, Trump says

President Donald Trump says the United States is selling weapons to its NATO allies in Europe so they can provide them to Ukraine as it struggles to fend off a recent escalation in Russia’s drone and missile attacks.

apnews.com

 

[Dragon]

Basically Trump is taking the credit for actions done by Europe. Classic Trump

 

[MT15]

Isn’t this how some of the weapons transfers have happened before?

 

[Sendai]

This appears to be NATO telling Russia they are going to sufficiently arm Ukraine and it’s not going to stop.

 

[efil4]

Isn’t this how some of the weapons transfers have happened before?

yes. But it appears that EU will take the lead with the assurances from US that replenishment is available and not "cut off".

They fully recognize Trumps affinity for Putin. They wanted assurances.

And got em.

for now. lol

 

[Dragon]

yes. But it appears that EU will take the lead with the assurances from US that replenishment is available and not "cut off".

They fully recognize Trumps affinity for Putin. They wanted assurances.

And got em.

for now. lol

Indeed, Europe is rapidly expanding its own defense industry — and doing so with strategic foresight. Take the JAS-39 Gripen, for example. It outperforms the F-16 on several parameters, but its real advantage lies in how it was designed: to operate from small, improvised airstrips like country roads, using minimal infrastructure.

Unlike American jets, which require large bases and complex logistics, the Gripen can land on a 500-yard stretch of road, where a couple of trucks and a minibus show up. After just 10–15 minutes of refueling and rearming by a small crew — often just young conscripts trained for a few weeks — the fighter is back in the air. Next landing? Maybe 80 miles away. Same process, different team. That kind of mobility and decentralization makes it much harder to target or disable in a modern conflict.

And the innovation doesn’t stop there. Europe is also ramping up drone warfare capabilities. In a win-win approach, several European countries are providing medical treatment to injured or disabled Ukrainian drone operators — while these same veterans are helping train European military drone specialists. It’s a smart way to accelerate learning, transfer battlefield-tested knowledge, and build stronger ties between Ukraine and European defense structures.

So while the U.S. and NATO are coordinating arms deliveries and replenishment, Europe is not just relying on that pipeline — it’s actively building resilience, autonomy, and battlefield innovation of its own.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

And again, you prove my point.

I very much disproved your point and your false notion that the system is the cause of corruption. You're copping out of responding to what I said by falsely saying that I proved your point.

I’m not gonna argue the point.

You just did by falsely claiming that I proved your point. That's an argument. It's a flawed argument, but it's still you arguing the point.

You have your opinion.

No, Tampajoe, I have historical facts that support what I'm saying. You're the one that's only stating an opinion.

All those voters you think are broken will decide for themselves.

I can see how me saying, "the only thing that's broken or not working is voters" can be taken as me saying voters are broken. That's not how I meant it. What I meant is that voting and how voters vote is what's broken. I don't see voters as broken, just how they vote. When voters elect someone as openly corrupt as Trump is two times, then how voters vote is definitely broken and it's an equal contributor/cause of the corruption that exists under Trump and his Republicans.

According to the latest polling, both parties have serious trust issues.

Corruption is not the only thing that creates trust issues for voters, so that polling doesn't really mean anything in regards to corruption.

Blaming the voters isn’t a good strategy IMV.

I'm talking about truth and reality. We are in the mess we are in because of how voters have voted. Full stop. Anyone who voted for Trump helped put Trump in position to do all the corrupt things he is doing, so everyone who voted for Trump contributed to what's happening and bears equal responsibility for what's happening. If they don't vote for Trump, then Trump isn't doing any of the inhumane and corrupt things that he's doing. You can try to dodge that responsibility all you want, but it's stuck with you whether you acknowledge it or not, speaking to those who voted for Trump of course.

Also, "blaming voters isn't a good strategy" is what people who helped vote a terrible person into office say, whenever that terrible person starts doing the terrible things that the people who voted for him knew he was going to do. It's a weaselly argument from people trying to weasel out of their responsibility for helping to put a terrible person in power.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

NATO is buying and transferring the weapons to Ukraine.

“The United States is selling weapons to its NATO allies in Europe so they can provide them to Ukraine as it struggles to fend off a recent escalation in Russia’s drone and missile attacks, President Donald Trump and his chief diplomat said.

“We’re sending weapons to NATO, and NATO is paying for those weapons, 100%,” Trump said in an interview with NBC News late Thursday. “So what we’re doing is, the weapons that are going out are going to NATO, and then NATO is going to be giving those weapons (to Ukraine), and NATO is paying for those weapons.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Friday that some of the U.S.-made weapons that Ukraine is seeking are deployed with NATO allies in Europe. Those weapons could be transferred to Ukraine, with European countries buying replacements from the U.S., he said.”

US is selling weapons to NATO allies to give to Ukraine, Trump says

President Donald Trump says the United States is selling weapons to its NATO allies in Europe so they can provide them to Ukraine as it struggles to fend off a recent escalation in Russia’s drone and missile attacks.

apnews.com

That's an oversimplification. We still have to approve the arm sales to NATO when we know they are going to give their weapons to Ukraine. The full truth is that we are supplying more weapons to Ukraine and NATO countries are paying for what we give them and then giving Ukraine some of their weapons.

Regardless of who pays for them, the weapons are still coming from us and Trump promised he wouldn't send more weapons to Ukraine. He didn't promise that he wouldn't pay for more weapons to send to Ukraine. Many in the MAGA world don't want us to give Ukraine any weapons, regardless of who pays for them. The reason many in MAGA don't want to send more weapons to Ukraine is because they are heavily influenced by Putin propaganda and Putin doesn't want any more US weapons going to Ukraine at all, regardless of who pays for them.