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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[Lapaz]

Not the point. He had a conflict of interest. And you don’t know what other factors could have been at play.

If I have a client that is asking me to represent them in negotiations with a company where my brother is an officer or where my brother is a silent investor. Do I have a conflict of interest? Yes I do. You don’t need to know anymore that that. I have a conflict by definition from the start. My involvement and my independence can be questioned. If I failed to disclose the conflict, I could lose my license and be sued personally.

Messengers don’t have conflicts of interest, unless you think he won’t deliver. Do you know Burisma was NOT being investigated? What is the conflict?

With your example, Joe would’ve convinced Obama to keep the corrupt investigator. Whatever influence you think Joe had didn’t benefit Hunter.

 

[TampaJoe]

I’m not sure resources are the problem, but my point is that nobody having this discussion with Joe wants corruption to occur.

I just don’t know how many times it needs to be said.

Getting lost in the weeds about this is just deliberate deflection from the massive, unrivaled con Trump is running on our county, and the lasting damage it’s doing.

Point well taken. Not sure if there is anything we can do. Damage has been piling up over several administrations but that is beside the point.

 

[Lapaz]

I understand those people influence policy. That is their job. If not then we can replace them all with robotics. So yeah, I think Rubio and Vance influence policy. I believe Biden influenced policy. Do you think he was just an empty suit?

If Joe had influence, the opposite would’ve happened.

 

[TampaJoe]

Messengers don’t have conflicts of interest, unless you think he won’t deliver. Do you know Burisma was NOT being investigated? What is the conflict?

So the VP was just a “messenger”. My 16 year old nephew can deliver messages.

Go back and reread my post. If you don’t understand, there is nothing I can do. Take an ethics course.

 

[TampaJoe]

If Joe had influence, the opposite would’ve happened.

So empty suit? I guess that fits.

 

[Lapaz]

Not the point. He had a conflict of interest. And you don’t know what other factors could have been at play.

If I have a client that is asking me to represent them in negotiations with a company where my brother is an officer or where my brother is a silent investor. Do I have a conflict of interest? Yes I do. You don’t need to know anymore that that. I have a conflict by definition from the start. My involvement and my independence can be questioned. If I failed to disclose the conflict, I could lose my license and be sued personally.

Joe was delivering Obama’s policy. Hunter wasn’t working for Ukraine, so your example doesn’t make sense. If the Ukrainian prosecutor had been investigating Burisma, then there would be some conflict. In that situation, Joe’s only responsibility would be to recuse himself from policy deliberations. Since there was no ongoing investigation, there was no conflict with that deliberation. Once Obama decided, Joe did his duty to deliver the president’s message.

 

[Lapaz]

So empty suit? I guess that fits.

VP is mostly an empty suit. Does that mean that you understand that he did not have a conflict of interest?

 

[fooferdoggie]

Donald Trump ribbed the Kennedy Center during a board dinner at the White House on Monday in the president’s latest criticism of the institution after effectively installing himself as its chair in February.

“The Kennedy Center, when I said I’ll do this, I hadn’t been there,” Trump told attendees. “It’s the last time I’ll take a job without looking at it.”

The president went on to criticize the facilities at the Washington arts complex, saying “tremendous amounts of money” had been spent there to little effect.

“I don’t know where they spent it,” Trump added. “They certainly didn’t spend it on wallpaper, carpet, or painting.”

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Yeah, they did not cover it in tacky gold. He has no clue, and he just wanted to take it over. Now, he will abandon it. Well, its rep will be in the toilet soon.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So the VP was just a “messenger”. My 16 year old nephew can deliver messages.

Go back and reread my post. If you don’t understand, there is nothing I can do. Take an ethics course.

The stance of the Biden administration, as well as that of the EU and others, was that the investigator stonewalling investigations- which you have already said is unethical- needed to be replaced by someone who would follow through with investigating corruption, including with Burisma.

Joe Biden delivered the message that Viktor Shokin needed to re replaced because of his failure to investigate the company that had Hunter Biden on its board.

What was the conflict of interest?

 

[DaveXA]

The last Democrat administration that has an AG who had a spine was Clinton. Since then we have had wingmen. Congressional investigations were slow walked and stonewalled and the AG fought appointing special prosecutors until Garner appointed Hur.

Ok?

So if you want to pretend that the Obama Administration fully cooperated with Congressional oversight and that Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch investigated allegations against the administration with the same vigor that they did with Russiagate. I can’t help you. You are too far gone.

I haven't given my opinion on the Obama Administration. Presume much? You just keep right on gish galloping into oblivion.

We had millions of dollars flowing from foreign interests all over the world thru the Clinton Foundation, a red flag, and we couldn’t look into that. But hey, nothing to see here. No possibility of a conflict of interest. No talk of emoluments. A first year audit student knows better. I don’t know what your professional code of ethics looks like but in my code of ethics, that’s a violation. You pissed about Trump and the plane or Jared and the Saudi’s but not a peep about the Clinton Foundation.

Old forking news. You sound like a bitter old man here. Keep your eye on the ball. The subject is Trump. He's the current President and the one destroying our government at the moment.

As for the Biden brand, when you have the son of the President and the Presidents brother receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars laundered thru 20 shell companies and distributed to various Biden family members tripping money laundering controls at Treasury. I dunno about your code of ethics, but in my code, that’s a violation. And if IRS investigators are influenced or interfered with, that’s another violation.

Like you've said numerous times, then charge them and send them to prison if you can prove all of that.

So it all stunk. Reeked. And I heard all the excuses then and now. We have folks comparing it to stealing apples. And now you are asking stupid questions like you don’t get it.

If asking questions about Trump's behavior bothers you so much...what does that say about you?

Just today, we learn that former President Biden was diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer that experts are saying would have been diagnosed with a standard PSA test years ago. Is that kind of lie and deception okay in your code?

Of course not. I'm on record as saying Biden shouldn't run for re-election even prior to him announcing he was running. I said the same about Trump...and what we got was a sheet show of an election, and now a worse Administration tearing down a lot of the goodwill we've built over the last 80 years with our Allies, and for what? To find out Trump is a Poots arse kisser? Good lord.

Nah. Democrats don’t lie Dave.

Never said they were innocent, keep up with that strawman nonsense i guess.

They were ready to put him back in office knowing he wasn’t well. I guess that’s just a little fib. Stealing apples.

I ain't defending that. And never did.

I repeat. I will abide by the same standard of ethics and will hold the people I vote for accountable to that standard.

You're full of it. I don't believe you. Do this diatriabe and point it at Trump and i might give you the benefit of the doubt. As it is, you have no credibility.

I would do that in a NY second if I believed the other side could be counted upon to do the same.

Lmao, again, your posts are 99% "Democrats bad!" and hardly anything about Trump, who happens to be the President and guess who controls both chambers of Congress?

That is the only way this works. Otherwise you are griping about symptoms of a problem and you aren’t interested in doing what it takes to solve the problem.

What makes you think I can solve that problem? The answer is democracy and compromise... not the nonsense we're dealing with right now. And lecturing about not being interested in solving the problem is rich and presumptuous. If I wasn't interested in that, I wouldn't be posting here.

So if you see a different way to rid government of corruption. I’d like to hear it.

The tools for enforcing the rules and rooting out corruption are already there. It's simply not being used because Congress is abdicating their responsibilities. That of course is not new, but it's simply reached untenable levels now.

 

[TampaJoe]

VP is mostly an empty suit. Does that mean that you understand that he did not have a conflict of interest?

No. Your empty suit sure bragged like hell that he did more than just deliver a message. VP’s are officers of the government and influence policy decisions. I don’t believe you understand what they do. So we don’t agree.

 

[TampaJoe]

The stance of the Biden administration, as well as that of the EU and others, was that the investigator stonewalling investigations- which you have already said is unethical- needed to be replaced by someone who would follow through with investigating corruption, including with Burisma.

Joe Biden delivered the message that Viktor Shokin needed to re replaced because of his failure to investigate the company that had Hunter Biden on its board.

What was the conflict of interest?

Yes.

 

[TampaJoe]

Ok?

I haven't given my opinion on the Obama Administration. Presume much? You just keep right on gish galloping into oblivion.

Old forking news. You sound like a bitter old man here. Keep your eye on the ball. The subject is Trump. He's the current President and the one destroying our government at the moment.

Like you've said numerous times, then charge them and send them to prison if you can prove all of that.

If asking questions about Trump's behavior bothers you so much...what does that say about you?

Of course not. I'm on record as saying Biden shouldn't run for re-election even prior to him announcing he was running. I said the same about Trump...and what we got was a sheet show of an election, and now a worse Administration tearing down a lot of the goodwill we've built over the last 80 years with our Allies, and for what? To find out Trump is a Poots arse kisser? Good lord.

Never said they were innocent, keep up with that strawman nonsense i guess.

I ain't defending that. And never did.

You're full of it. I don't believe you. Do this diatriabe and point it at Trump and i might give you the benefit of the doubt. As it is, you have no credibility.

Lmao, again, your posts are 99% "Democrats bad!" and hardly anything about Trump, who happens to be the President and guess who controls both chambers of Congress?

What makes you think I can solve that problem? The answer is democracy and compromise... not the nonsense we're dealing with right now. And lecturing about not being interested in solving the problem is rich and presumptuous. If I wasn't interested in that, I wouldn't be posting here.

The tools for enforcing the rules and rooting out corruption are already there. It's simply not being used because Congress is abdicating their responsibilities. That of course is not new, but it's simply reached untenable levels now.

All all this did was prove my point Dave. Thanks for that. One standard we all agree to hold our elected representative to. You asked for example where it hasn’t been done. I gave them to you and you say old news.

So you have no credibility on this issue either. And so it goes. Continue whining about Trump. You expect one side to stand up and do the right thing when the folks you support won’t do the same. It’s like a one sided agreement. A debit with no credit. Why would one side commit to something when they have no trust the other side to do the same?

So the merry go round will keep spinning. Neither one of us can solve the problem. It is what it is. Hope we survive.

 

[Dragon]

You seem like a smart man. There is a line. You either cross it or you don’t. There is no equivocation. You either have a conflict of interest or you don’t. How easy would it be for you to say

We should have high standards for public officials and if we can agree to those standards, I pledge to hold myself and anyone and everyone to those same high standards without excuse and without fear or favor or equivocation.

But you won’t or can’t simply say that. Neither will your elected representative. Therein lies the problem.

Donald Trump ribbed the Kennedy Center during a board dinner at the White House on Monday in the president’s latest criticism of the institution after effectively installing himself as its chair in February.

“The Kennedy Center, when I said I’ll do this, I hadn’t been there,” Trump told attendees. “It’s the last time I’ll take a job without looking at it.”

The president went on to criticize the facilities at the Washington arts complex, saying “tremendous amounts of money” had been spent there to little effect.

“I don’t know where they spent it,” Trump added. “They certainly didn’t spend it on wallpaper, carpet, or painting.”

Earlier this year, Trump broke with tradition and ousted members of the Kennedy Center board who had been appointed under the Biden administration, and the replacements Trump installed voted the president to be the center’s chair.

As part of the takeover, Trump administration special envoy Richard Grenell now serves as the interim director of the Kennedy Center, while Attorney General Pam Bondi and White House chief of staff Susie Wiles serve on the board.

Trump has said under his leadership, the Kennedy Center will not feature “woke” programming, a theme the president touched on Monday during his speech at the dinner.

“The programming was out of control with rampant political propaganda, DEI, and inappropriate shows,” Trump said, claiming the center hosted a “Marxist anti-police performance” and “lesbian-only Shakespeare.”...............

‘Last time I’ll take a job without looking’: Trump slams Kennedy Center at dinner

Trump cleared his own way to be installed as chair of Kennedy Center in February

www.the-independent.com

So Trump is in fact implementing censorship on what kind of shows can be produced. So much for "free speech"

 

[Dragon]

As for the Biden brand, when you have the son of the President and the Presidents brother receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars laundered thru 20 shell companies and distributed to various Biden family members tripping money laundering controls at Treasury. I dunno about your code of ethics, but in my code, that’s a violation. And if IRS investigators are influenced or interfered with, that’s another violation.

Those lies were disputed and some of those were "supported" by obvious fradulently documents and emails. Remember when democrats showed the originals and the doctored side by side during the investigation? Where is your outrage of that fraud? You should be furious,

 

[Optimus Prime]

CNN) — The Trump administration first approached Qatar to inquire about acquiring a Boeing 747 that could be used as Air Force One by President Donald Trump, four sources familiar with the discussions told CNN. That’s contrary to the narrative from the president that Qatar reached out and offered the jet as a “gift” to him.

After Trump took office in January, the Pentagon contacted Boeing and was told the company would not be able to deliver the new jets it was building to replace the aging presidential planes for another two years, the sources said.

The Trump administration, however, wanted a replacement plane much faster, and the Air Force was exploring different options for doing so. At the same time, Trump tasked his Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff with finding a list of viable planes, a senior White House official told CNN.

After the Pentagon’s initial engagement with the company, Boeing provided US defense officials with a list of other Boeing clients around the world with planes that could work in the meantime, three of the sources said.

“And Qatar was one of the clients,” the second source familiar with the discussions said, adding the Pentagon “offered to buy the plane” and Qatar indicated it was willing to sell it.

The Pentagon had launched the discussions with Qatar after learning that the White House supported the idea, the third source familiar said, and Witkoff helped facilitated the initial conversations, the White House official said……..

Sources contradict Trump narrative about Qatar offering plane as ‘gift’ | CNN Politics

The Trump administration first approached Qatar to inquire about acquiring a Boeing 747 that could be used as Air Force One by President Donald Trump, four sources familiar with the discussions told CNN. That’s contrary to the narrative from the president that Qatar reached out and offered the...

www.cnn.com

 

[MT15]

CNN) — The Trump administration first approached Qatar to inquire about acquiring a Boeing 747 that could be used as Air Force One by President Donald Trump, four sources familiar with the discussions told CNN. That’s contrary to the narrative from the president that Qatar reached out and offered the jet as a “gift” to him.

After Trump took office in January, the Pentagon contacted Boeing and was told the company would not be able to deliver the new jets it was building to replace the aging presidential planes for another two years, the sources said.

The Trump administration, however, wanted a replacement plane much faster, and the Air Force was exploring different options for doing so. At the same time, Trump tasked his Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff with finding a list of viable planes, a senior White House official told CNN.

After the Pentagon’s initial engagement with the company, Boeing provided US defense officials with a list of other Boeing clients around the world with planes that could work in the meantime, three of the sources said.

“And Qatar was one of the clients,” the second source familiar with the discussions said, adding the Pentagon “offered to buy the plane” and Qatar indicated it was willing to sell it.

The Pentagon had launched the discussions with Qatar after learning that the White House supported the idea, the third source familiar said, and Witkoff helped facilitated the initial conversations, the White House official said……..

Sources contradict Trump narrative about Qatar offering plane as ‘gift’ | CNN Politics

The Trump administration first approached Qatar to inquire about acquiring a Boeing 747 that could be used as Air Force One by President Donald Trump, four sources familiar with the discussions told CNN. That’s contrary to the narrative from the president that Qatar reached out and offered the...

www.cnn.com

They always lie about everything.

 

[TampaJoe]

Those lies were disputed and some of those were "supported" by obvious fradulently documents and emails. Remember when democrats showed the originals and the doctored side by side during the investigation? Where is your outrage of that fraud? You should be furious,

Yeah. I’m upset by fraud. But there is nothing I can do or you can do to stop it.

Enjoy your day.