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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[DaveXA]

I can live with that as long as breaches are quickly, professionally and independently investigated and dealt with on a consistent basis. No excuses. No equivocation. No exceptions.

That is the only way we will “drain the swamp”.

IMO

And? Who wasn't investigated sufficiently? No exceptions eh?

 

[TampaJoe]

And? Who wasn't investigated sufficiently? No exceptions eh?

No exceptions. No excuses. How else do you enforce such a standard without it getting political? When you swear an oath to protect and defend, you accept that means an investigation if you cross that legal or ethical boundary. It has real consequences.

I am a CPA. I know where the lines are. Nobody is gonna protect me if I cross those lines. Public servants should be no different.

No exceptions. I don’t see a need for exceptions. Do you?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I never said differently. But conflicts of interest and influence peddling at the highest levels of government isn’t stealing apples off the apple cart. It is no excuse able IMV to ignore such allegations. They should be thoroughly and professionally investigated whether the accused is a legislator, or a cabinet secretary or a judge or POTUS or VPOTUS regardless of party. No excuses. No equivocation. No running around whining about witch hunts. You cross that line, you should expect to be investigated. Period. Full Stop.

When you are a public servants, you commit to serving the public first and foremost. No self dealing. Most of us would get fired for that. We shouldn’t expect less of “public” servants.

YMMV

And Hunter Biden, who you won't shut up about, was. Yet you are silent on the blatant corruption running rampant through the current White House.

 

[TampaJoe]

And Hunter Biden, who you won't shut up about, was. Yet you are silent on the blatant corruption running rampant through the current White House.

I am not silent. If you bothered to get off your arse and read this thread you will see on several occasions I have admitted that Trump IMO has huge conflicts of interest.

And Hunter was only investigated after two whistleblowers spoke up and a federal judge threw out his plea agreement. I know people who went to prison for tax evasion for lesser amounts. I believe he borrowed 2 million to pay back taxes. So it wasn’t checking the wrong box on your return. That kind of evasion requires intent. Still in the end he was pardoned by the same POTUS who said the rich should pay their fair share. Ironic isn’t it?

Until the political parties agree to a standard and enforce it consistently and rigorously, nothing will change. The swamp will never be drained.

 

[DaveXA]

No exceptions.

Yes...and?

No excuses.

Who's making excuses?

How else do you enforce such a standard without it getting political?

Forget politics, how about follow the law and ethical standards?

When you swear an oath to protect and defend, you accept that means an investigation if you cross that legal or ethical boundary. It has real consequences.

Of course, who said otherwise?

I am a CPA.

So what? I'm a financial management analyst, Chuck is an attorney, others here are in IT, in insurance and other professions. Not sure why you're talking about being a CPA. Every one of our professions have some sort of code of ethics. That doesn't somehow make you special.

I know where the lines are. Nobody is gonna protect me if I cross those lines. Public servants should be no different.

Who said otherwise? You keep making points no one is disputing.

No exceptions. I don’t see a need for exceptions. Do you?

Of course not. Lol. Again with the pointless comments. Instead of beating around the bush about both sides and silly circular pointless comments, how about actually answer the question being posed to you?

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes...and?

Who's making excuses?

Forget politics, how about follow the law and ethical standards?

Of course, who said otherwise?

So what? I'm a financial management analyst, Chuck is an attorney, others here are in IT, in insurance and other professions. Not sure why you're talking about being a CPA. Every one of our professions have some sort of code of ethics. That doesn't somehow make you special.

Who said otherwise? You keep making points no one is disputing.

Of course not. Lol. Again with the pointless comments. Instead of beating around the bush about both sides and silly circular pointless comments, how about actually answer the question being posed to you?

The last Democrat administration that has an AG who had a spine was Clinton. Since then we have had wingmen. Congressional investigations were slow walked and stonewalled and the AG fought appointing special prosecutors until Garner appointed Hur.

So if you want to pretend that the Obama Administration fully cooperated with Congressional oversight and that Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch investigated allegations against the administration with the same vigor that they did with Russiagate. I can’t help you. You are too far gone.

We had millions of dollars flowing from foreign interests all over the world thru the Clinton Foundation, a red flag, and we couldn’t look into that. But hey, nothing to see here. No possibility of a conflict of interest. No talk of emoluments. A first year audit student knows better. I don’t know what your professional code of ethics looks like but in my code of ethics, that’s a violation. You pissed about Trump and the plane or Jared and the Saudi’s but not a peep about the Clinton Foundation.

As for the Biden brand, when you have the son of the President and the Presidents brother receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars laundered thru 20 shell companies and distributed to various Biden family members tripping money laundering controls at Treasury. I dunno about your code of ethics, but in my code, that’s a violation. And if IRS investigators are influenced or interfered with, that’s another violation.

So it all stunk. Reeked. And I heard all the excuses then and now. We have folks comparing it to stealing apples. And now you are asking stupid questions like you don’t get it.

Just today, we learn that former President Biden was diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer that experts are saying would have been diagnosed with a standard PSA test years ago. Is that kind of lie and deception okay in your code?

Nah. Democrats don’t lie Dave. They were ready to put him back in office knowing he wasn’t well. I guess that’s just a little fib. Stealing apples.

I repeat. I will abide by the same standard of ethics and will hold the people I vote for accountable to that standard. I would do that in a NY second if I believed the other side could be counted upon to do the same. That is the only way this works. Otherwise you are griping about symptoms of a problem and you aren’t interested in doing what it takes to solve the problem.

So if you see a different way to rid government of corruption. I’d like to hear it.

 

[Lapaz]

“Lessons from History: House Incumbents from the Non-Presidential Party Rarely Lose Reelection in Midterms”

“The non-presidential party often picks up House seats in midterms, and as a part of it, that party’s incumbents rarely lose in midterms.”

Lessons from History: House Incumbents from the Non-Presidential Party Rarely Lose Reelection in Midterms - Sabato's Crystal Ball

The non-presidential party often picks up House seats in midterms, and as a part of it, that party’s incumbents rarely lose in midterms.

centerforpolitics.org

History favors democratic control of at least the House or Senate.

History assumes normal elections. With Trump, and MAWA, I expect that there will be voter suppression and intimidation beyond anything we’ve experienced since the 60s.

 

[Lapaz]

Do you even understand what is meant by a “conflict of interest”. I don’t give a crap about Hunters qualifications or whether he was a government employee. The fact that he was the son of the VP who was making policy in Ukraine created the conflict. You wouldn’t know a potential conflict of interest if it bit you on the arse. That IS willful ignorance on your part. You demonstrate it post after post. So yes there was an obvious conflict of interest.

There is an obvious conflict of interest with Trump. There is a potential conflict of interest with Thomas as far as Harlan Crowe is concerned and a real conflict on interest with Thomas as far as cases where his wife is indirectly involved.

This is exactly why I don’t trust folks like you who claim Democrats would police their own. You are full of excuses and you can’t recognize potential conflicts of interest when they are starring you in the face. That why this won’t change. You have no standard that you are willing to hold when it comes to your party. You will just make the same excuses that your criticize the GOP for making.

It’s rich for you to call someone out for willful ignorance. What policy did Biden set? Do you understand the role of a VP?

 

[Lapaz]

You're hung up on this point when nobody in this conversation is saying certain people should be able to get away with corruption while others shouldn't. You might believe that is happening but it isn't.

We all want a government free of corruption. Corruption doesn't benefit us. Nobody here is arguing for more corruption when certain conditions are met. You're arguing a point nobody else is arguing.

But...and this has been said over and over and over, the corruption that Trump is engaging in far exceeds anything we've seen before. If you can't see the significance of that, then I'm not sure you really care about corruption as much as you want people to believe you do.

In fairness, I have been arguing that low level corruption is the last thing that should be prosecuted. Resources should go after the big corruption. Then you go after the other low lying fruit. I also argue that you can’t expect perfection. Some crimes are minor, and hard to prove, so it would be too costly to try to eliminate those. All enforcement requires discretion. That isn’t arguing against standards, but clearly Hunter’s crimes were trivial to the nation. The standard of his prosecution was purely political. The nature of Trump’s crimes are far more serious to the country.

 

[TampaJoe]

It’s rich for you to call someone out for willful ignorance. What policy did Biden set? Do you understand the role of a VP?

Did you happen to watch Biden’s news conference in the Ukraine? Did you watch his coverage when he returned? Did you hear him brag about how he got the prosecutor fired? So evidently he influenced policy and he should have recused himself and asked for the administration to send the SOS or the SOD or some other official to deliver that message. Because his lack of independence undermined the administrations policy because people rightfully questioned his conflict of interest.

So yeah. I understand the role of the VP. Do you understand how such a conflict of interest undermines that role as well as confidence in government policy and the office he swore to uphold?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump ribbed the Kennedy Center during a board dinner at the White House on Monday in the president’s latest criticism of the institution after effectively installing himself as its chair in February.

“The Kennedy Center, when I said I’ll do this, I hadn’t been there,” Trump told attendees. “It’s the last time I’ll take a job without looking at it.”

The president went on to criticize the facilities at the Washington arts complex, saying “tremendous amounts of money” had been spent there to little effect.

“I don’t know where they spent it,” Trump added. “They certainly didn’t spend it on wallpaper, carpet, or painting.”

Earlier this year, Trump broke with tradition and ousted members of the Kennedy Center board who had been appointed under the Biden administration, and the replacements Trump installed voted the president to be the center’s chair.

As part of the takeover, Trump administration special envoy Richard Grenell now serves as the interim director of the Kennedy Center, while Attorney General Pam Bondi and White House chief of staff Susie Wiles serve on the board.

Trump has said under his leadership, the Kennedy Center will not feature “woke” programming, a theme the president touched on Monday during his speech at the dinner.

“The programming was out of control with rampant political propaganda, DEI, and inappropriate shows,” Trump said, claiming the center hosted a “Marxist anti-police performance” and “lesbian-only Shakespeare.”...............

‘Last time I’ll take a job without looking’: Trump slams Kennedy Center at dinner

Trump cleared his own way to be installed as chair of Kennedy Center in February

www.the-independent.com

 

[Lapaz]

Did you happen to watch Biden’s news conference in the Ukraine? Did you watch his coverage when he returned? Did you hear him brag about how he got the prosecutor fired? So evidently he influenced policy and he should have recused himself and asked for the administration to send the SOS or the SOD or some other official to deliver that message. Because his lack of independence undermined the administrations policy because people rightfully questioned his conflict of interest.

So yeah. I understand the role of the VP. Do you understand how such a conflict of interest undermines that role as well as confidence in government policy and the office he swore to uphold?

Yes, and Joe didn’t set policy. Do you think Rubio or Vance set policy? Do you understand how policy is set?

 

[Lapaz]

Did you happen to watch Biden’s news conference in the Ukraine? Did you watch his coverage when he returned? Did you hear him brag about how he got the prosecutor fired? So evidently he influenced policy and he should have recused himself and asked for the administration to send the SOS or the SOD or some other official to deliver that message. Because his lack of independence undermined the administrations policy because people rightfully questioned his conflict of interest.

So yeah. I understand the role of the VP. Do you understand how such a conflict of interest undermines that role as well as confidence in government policy and the office he swore to uphold?

If Joe had a conflict of interest, it is the opposite of what you think. If Joe was corrupt, he would’ve preferred to keep the corrupt inspector, since he did NOT want to investigate Burisma.

 

[TampaJoe]

In fairness, I have been arguing that low level corruption is the last thing that should be prosecuted. Resources should go after the big corruption. Then you go after the other low lying fruit. I also argue that you can’t expect perfection. Some crimes are minor, and hard to prove, so it would be too costly to try to eliminate those. All enforcement requires discretion. That isn’t arguing against standards, but clearly Hunter’s crimes were trivial to the nation. The standard of his prosecution was purely political. The nature of Trump’s crimes are far more serious to the country.

So fine. Tell me what is immaterial corruption. I mean the whole talking point of Trump being a convicted felon really boils down to down to a 3 misdemeanor reporting violations paid to a porn actress totaling $130K. The other judgement was for “fraud” where there was no reliance on the numbers he provided and no victims. Were those “material” to the country? Were those the serious crimes you are referencing.

Gimme a number. A million, ten million, 100 million. Where is the line between material corruption versus immaterial corruption. Cause it would be a shame to waste time worrying about immaterial corruption. What’s the standard or is that some kind discretionary sliding scale giving politicians wiggle room to CYA and circle the wagons? Cause that is exactly what will happen. Give them an inch of discretion and they will take mile after mile.

 

[Incumbent]

In fairness, I have been arguing that low level corruption is the last thing that should be prosecuted. Resources should go after the big corruption. Then you go after the other low lying fruit. I also argue that you can’t expect perfection. Some crimes are minor, and hard to prove, so it would be too costly to try to eliminate those. All enforcement requires discretion. That isn’t arguing against standards, but clearly Hunter’s crimes were trivial to the nation. The standard of his prosecution was purely political. The nature of Trump’s crimes are far more serious to the country.

I’m not sure resources are the problem, but my point is that nobody having this discussion with Joe wants corruption to occur.

I just don’t know how many times it needs to be said.

Getting lost in the weeds about this is just deliberate deflection from the massive, unrivaled con Trump is running on our county, and the lasting damage it’s doing.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes, and Joe didn’t set policy. Do you think Rubio or Vance set policy? Do you understand how policy is set?

I understand those people influence policy. That is their job. If not then we can replace them all with robotics. So yeah, I think Rubio and Vance influence policy. I believe Biden influenced policy. Do you think he was just an empty suit?

 

[TampaJoe]

If Joe had a conflict of interest, it is the opposite of what you think. If Joe was corrupt, he would’ve preferred to keep the corrupt inspector, since he did NOT want to investigate Burisma.

Not the point. He had a conflict of interest. And you don’t know what other factors could have been at play.

If I have a client that is asking me to represent them in negotiations with a company where my brother is an officer or where my brother is a silent investor. Do I have a conflict of interest? Yes I do. You don’t need to know anymore that that. I have a conflict by definition from the start. My involvement and my independence can be questioned. If I failed to disclose the conflict, I could lose my license and be sued personally.

 

[Lapaz]

So fine. Tell me what is immaterial corruption. I mean the whole talking point of Trump being a convicted felon really boils down to down to a 3 misdemeanor reporting violations paid to a porn actress totaling $130K. The other judgement was for “fraud” where there was no reliance on the numbers he provided and no victims. Were those “material” to the country? Were those the serious crimes you are referencing.

Gimme a number. A million, ten million, 100 million. Where is the line between material corruption versus immaterial corruption. Cause it would be a shame to waste time worrying about immaterial corruption. What’s the standard or is that some kind discretionary sliding scale giving politicians wiggle room to CYA and circle the wagons? Cause that is exactly what will happen. Give them an inch of discretion and they will take mile after mile.

There is no such thing as a number. Trump’s crimes are so numerous., it’s hard to keep up. He’s gotten away with most due to technicalities and settling. He’s probably the most corrupt politician in history. I’ll set the standard to start with prosecuting the most corrupt in history, just like Capone was prosecuted for mail fraud. His crime was worse than Cohen’s. If your accomplice is in jail for a felony, then you should be prosecuted. Regarding the fraud case, many people have been prosecuted for similar fraud in New York. The crimes he hasn’t been prosecuted for are far worse, and he’s currently committing more. Trump is a gangster. I think the standard should be that all gangsters should be prosecuted.