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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[Sendai]

What do special needs kids do there? What do kids from rural areas surrounding your area do?

What you are describing is like the perfect situation. That’s great for your area, but I think this situation is a rare exception rather than the rule. I read many reports that after vouchers passed in various states that private schools immediately upped their tuition by the exact amount of the vouchers, thereby essentially making it a straight up transfer of taxpayer money into private schools.

As for no indoctrination, I would imagine there are mandatory masses to attend and mandatory religious instruction classes for those kids. I’ve never seen a religious school that didn’t find various ways to highlight and push their own religion. Not one.

Do you mind revealing the state or the area? I understand if you don’t want to.

The catholic inner city program schools are connected to the states special needs programs. A lot of the students are special needs. Open to all faiths. No pressure to become catholic. In our state the public schools
transportation system is required to service the students in private schools. These are not the cheap to educate children - quite the contrary.

Now the suburban parochial schools teach the catholic faith and do have mandatory mass.

 

[J-DONK]

Many ( but not all ) of these people are not worth your time @TampaJoe
*
Their beliefs don't align with much of America
There is a Republican President
A Republican House
A Republican Senate
and there are more Republican Governors than Democrat Governors.
They can't face reality but they ARE really good at posted laughing emojis.

The conserative larping needs to stop on this board.

I personally went into detail about conserative lies put forward in the last two days:

1. Christians aren't concerned with political power or influence.
2. American education is among the worst in the first world.

The board ask for a source, and none is provided. Counter-sources are then brought in.

No one want's to have a conversation about your Fox News fantasyland ideas.

There is lack of respect being shown by all of the MAGA crowd. Instead of either just going away, or saying "I'm obviously wrong." You guys double, trible, and quadruple down while trying to keep the same debate frame despite it being a proven lie. You guys try to constantly gish gallop past your original false premise.

The post I'm replying to is literally the bandwagon fallacy. "We must be right look at everyone who agrees with us."

In closing I'll just say, everyone falls for propaganda, on both sides of this. No one has time to lookup every fact. That should be a big part of coming here. To be challenged on your ideas, and then readjust your views on topics as a response. That's how adults should carry themselves.

 

[Optimus Prime]

U.S. President Donald Trump fired 17 independent watchdogs at multiple government agencies on Friday, a person with knowledge of the matter said, eliminating a critical oversight component and clearing the way to replace them with loyalists.

The inspectors general at agencies including the departments of state, defense and transportation were notified by emails from the White House personnel director that they had been terminated immediately, the source said on condition of anonymity.

The dismissals appeared to violate federal law, which requires the president to give both houses of Congress reasons for the dismissals 30 days in advance.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

An inspector general is an independent position that conducts audits and investigations into allegations of waste, fraud and abuse of power……..


Trump fires 17 independent inspectors general at federal agencies, source says

 

[Optimus Prime]

…….Oversight of some of the government’s largest agencies was affected: the departments of Defense, State, Transportation, Veterans Affairs, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Energy, Commerce and Agriculture, as well as the Environmental Protection Agency, Small Business Administration and the Social Security Administration.

It was unclear Friday whom the Trump administration would install to replace the ousted watchdogs.

Most of those dismissed were Trump appointees from his first term, which stunned the watchdog community. One prominent inspector general survived the purge — Michael Horowitz at the Justice Department, an appointee of President Barack Obama who has issued reports critical of both the Biden administration and Trump’s first administration.

“It’s a widespread massacre,” said one of the fired inspectors general. “Whoever Trump puts in now will be viewed as loyalists, and that undermines the entire system.”

The emails informing the watchdogs of their dismissals rippled across the agencies Friday.

Another fired inspector general learned of his ouster by reading the email for the first time while on the phone with a Washington Post reporter who had called to ask about it.

The person reacted by saying the new administration “does not want anyone in this role who is going to be independent.”

“IGs have done exactly what the president says he wants: to fight fraud waste and abuse and make the government more effective,” that person added. “Firing this many of us makes no sense. It is counter to those goals.”………..

Trump ousts at least 12 independent inspectors general in late-night purge​

 

[TampaJoe]

Anecdotal.

The destruction of public schools has been a goal since Brown v Bd of Ed. It is race-based.

I can also show you examples of inner-city schools that perform well.

People that do not work in education have no clue about the actual workings of education. This particularly applies to politicians in general and Republicans in particular.

Do I have experience in education, you might ask? Nope. Why is my opinion more valid than say, the current Secretary of Education designate? 39 years of living with and observing a teacher that taught in first ring suburban Chicago high schools and an inner-city Catholic high school.

As always. Hats off to Ms Bird. You and I may differ politically but we do agree that teachers are special people who are often underpaid and under appreciated.

I don’t seek to destroy public education. Where it works well it should be preserved. Where it under performs, it should be fixed or replaced or alternatives should be made available to those students and parents who desire and deserve something better. Lastly, parents need to be involved. These are their children and their responsibility.

I went to public schools and attended a state university. The best teacher I had in math, science and history were public schools teachers at Jackson Central Merry HS. They knew their craft and they were really good at it.

My math teacher retired five years ago. He was in his 70’s. Remarkable man.

 

[TampaJoe]

You said the US ranks last in eduction among the industrialized world. We have been shown that is far from true.

Again. A misstatement on your part. I did say we ranked in the basement among industrialized nations. I didn’t say last.

The latest studies have us underperforming in math and slightly above average in science. Our university system still performs well. But as I mentioned, we lag what you would expect from a country that is the “richest in the world”. Further the GAP between top performers in our country and low performers is now larger. So the kids at the bottom are doing worse. Those are the folks I worry about.

 

[TampaJoe]

None of this addresses the fact that the funding is controlled by the GOP in the state for the last 20 years according to you.

No. I don’t think I said the state controlled all the funding. The city and country control much of the funding. I haven’t heard that the MCS complain over lack of funding. As I said, over the last 20 years they have rebuilt or upgraded schools across the city and county.

We have seen school superintendent after school superintendent come and go. They are the highest paid employee in the city or county. They all promise to turn things around and yet many of our inner city schools rank poorly. People of all races and income levels move to neighboring counties or to North MS because of the school system. Teachers do the same or move into the private school system.

I don’t believe this is all about money or all about race. Teachers I know (I have a few of them as clients) don’t complain about the money. That’s not to say they wouldn’t like to make more. They speak to safety, security, lack of parental involvement, bureaucracy, teaching to tests, social promotion, etc.

So I don’t have all the answers but I doubt just throwing money at the problem without changing the dynamic is going to solve the problem. I’m open to ideas.

 

[TampaJoe]

What do special needs kids do there? What do kids from rural areas surrounding your area do?

What you are describing is like the perfect situation. That’s great for your area, but I think this situation is a rare exception rather than the rule. I read many reports that after vouchers passed in various states that private schools immediately upped their tuition by the exact amount of the vouchers, thereby essentially making it a straight up transfer of taxpayer money into private schools.

As for no indoctrination, I would imagine there are mandatory masses to attend and mandatory religious instruction classes for those kids. I’ve never seen a religious school that didn’t find various ways to highlight and push their own religion. Not one.

Do you mind revealing the state or the area? I understand if you don’t want to.

Your concern over upping tuition is valid. I do think that problem can be mitigated. The same problem exists with student loans in secondary education. The Obama administration kicked the banks out of the process with the claim that banks were making too much money on the backs of students. But all that happened is that colleges and universities just upped tuition. The students are no better off.

So your point in that regard is well taken. But we cannot wait another 40 years for the public system in some districts to figure things out. You worry about kids not being educated and getting left behind. Look around. That is already happening and has been happening in many inner city school districts.

 

[bird]

The catholic inner city program schools are connected to the states special needs programs. A lot of the students are special needs. Open to all faiths. No pressure to become catholic. In our state the public schools
transportation system is required to service the students in private schools. These are not the cheap to educate children - quite the contrary.

Now the suburban parochial schools teach the catholic faith and do have mandatory mass.

Unless the Catholic schools have the resources to deal with special needs students they will fail.

As an anecdote, one inner city Catholic high school was taking a fair amount of special needs kids. They got assistance in the form of para-pros and teachers from the public school system.

And, yeah, they do have mass. Not every day or week but they do.

 

[MT15]

Again. A misstatement on your part. I did say we ranked in the basement among industrialized nations. I didn’t say last.

The latest studies have us underperforming in math and slightly above average in science. Our university system still performs well. But as I mentioned, we lag what you would expect from a country that is the “richest in the world”. Further the GAP between top performers in our country and low performers is now larger. So the kids at the bottom are doing worse. Those are the folks I worry about.

We are more than slightly above average in science and top ten in reading. Middle of the pack in math.

How can you characterize those results as “in the basement”? It’s okay to admit you were exaggerating.

I do think UTJ brought up a valid point - that for the money, we could be doing better and there is validity in the criticism of the growth in administrative positions over classroom teaching positions.

But the GOP idea of throwing taxpayer money into religious schools is one that turns me off totally. After seeing what religious zealots want to do to this country, I don’t want them anywhere near education. The science denial is an obvious reason just by itself.

 

[SystemShock]

....the majority of rank and file GOP members do not wish to dismantle public education.

How do you explain Betsy DeVos?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

No. I don’t think I said the state controlled all the funding. The city and country control much of the funding. I haven’t heard that the MCS complain over lack of funding. As I said, over the last 20 years they have rebuilt or upgraded schools across the city and county.

We have seen school superintendent after school superintendent come and go. They are the highest paid employee in the city or county. They all promise to turn things around and yet many of our inner city schools rank poorly. People of all races and income levels move to neighboring counties or to North MS because of the school system. Teachers do the same or move into the private school system.

I don’t believe this is all about money or all about race. Teachers I know (I have a few of them as clients) don’t complain about the money. That’s not to say they wouldn’t like to make more. They speak to safety, security, lack of parental involvement, bureaucracy, teaching to tests, social promotion, etc.

So I don’t have all the answers but I doubt just throwing money at the problem without changing the dynamic is going to solve the problem. I’m open to ideas.

"The majority of funding for public schools comes from the state level. At the state level, public school funds are appropriated through the state legislature’s annual budget process."

You've got a bad habit of offering up completely uninformed opinions as though they were fact.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/education/2021-funding-engagement/Public%20Education%20Funding%20FAQs.pdf

 

[TampaJoe]

We are more than slightly above average in science and top ten in reading. Middle of the pack in math.

How can you characterize those results as “in the basement”? It’s okay to admit you were exaggerating.

I do think UTJ brought up a valid point - that for the money, we could be doing better and there is validity in the criticism of the growth in administrative positions over classroom teaching positions.

But the GOP idea of throwing taxpayer money into religious schools is one that turns me off totally. After seeing what religious zealots want to do to this country, I don’t want them anywhere near education. The science denial is an obvious reason just by itself.

I am not about financing private school education for the rich. I am interested in providing better educational opportunities for those less advantaged students and their parents who desire something better. If that is a public school. I’m good with that. If it is a private institution. I am also good with that. That decision Inwould leave to the parent. It’s their child. As long as the school meets standards and delivers a good education. I don’t have an issue with religious schools as long as they meet educational standards. Again. Up to the parents. So if a Muslim inner city kid in Memphis wants to go to Briarcrest, they will have to respect that it’s a religious school. That doesnt mean they have to adopt the religion. The most important thing is that they get a quality education.

 

[J-DONK]

I am not about financing private school education for the rich. I am interested in providing better educational opportunities for those less advantaged students and their parents who desire something better. If that is a public school. I’m good with that. If it is a private institution. I am also good with that. That decision Inwould leave to the parent. It’s their child. As long as the school meets standards and delivers a good education. I don’t have an issue with religious schools as long as they meet educational standards. Again. Up to the parents. So if a Muslim inner city kid in Memphis wants to go to Briarcrest, they will have to respect that it’s a religious school. That doesnt mean they have to adopt the religion. The most important thing is that they get a quality education.

What system are proposing then? School Vouchers don't work. Those just end being used by rich people to pay for rich kids going to private school. This sounds like you want school vouchers, but only for kids who parents make below a certain amount. Those would largely go unused, according to all the data that's out there.

 

[Heathen]

Not sure if already posted.

Is this a surprise to anyone?

Idaho Lawmakers Want Supreme Court to Overturn Same-Sex Marriage Decision

A state legislative committee has advanced a resolution asking that the power to regulate marriage be returned to the states.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

…….Oversight of some of the government’s largest agencies was affected: the departments of Defense, State, Transportation, Veterans Affairs, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Energy, Commerce and Agriculture, as well as the Environmental Protection Agency, Small Business Administration and the Social Security Administration.

It was unclear Friday whom the Trump administration would install to replace the ousted watchdogs.

Most of those dismissed were Trump appointees from his first term, which stunned the watchdog community. One prominent inspector general survived the purge — Michael Horowitz at the Justice Department, an appointee of President Barack Obama who has issued reports critical of both the Biden administration and Trump’s first administration.

“It’s a widespread massacre,” said one of the fired inspectors general. “Whoever Trump puts in now will be viewed as loyalists, and that undermines the entire system.”

The emails informing the watchdogs of their dismissals rippled across the agencies Friday.

Another fired inspector general learned of his ouster by reading the email for the first time while on the phone with a Washington Post reporter who had called to ask about it.

The person reacted by saying the new administration “does not want anyone in this role who is going to be independent.”

“IGs have done exactly what the president says he wants: to fight fraud waste and abuse and make the government more effective,” that person added. “Firing this many of us makes no sense. It is counter to those goals.”………..

Trump ousts at least 12 independent inspectors general in late-night purge​

Unfortunately, Congress will not enforce the law prohibiting this actions, which will force the IG's to either accept it or try to fight it by taking legal action on their own.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

It says a lot about the voters that elected this...man.

Idiot.

He was on fire!

 

[bird]

It says a lot about the voters that elected this...man.

Idiot.

He was on fire!

Every time I think that he can’t possibly be more ignorant, arrogant and just plain stupid, I completely underestimate him.