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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[MT15]

You pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible.

God doesn’t want women to die from preventable conditions. That’s an offensive position you have on abortion.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

You pick and choose what you want to believe from the Bible.

God doesn’t want women to die from preventable conditions. That’s an offensive position you have on abortion.

1) A baby's life being terminated is NOT a "condition".
2) Most abortions are not performed because otherwise the mother will die.
Get real.

 

[Dragon]

God is FOR the protection of the unborn in the womb.
God also allowed for the death penalty for adults
See Leviticus 24:17
and
Exodus 21: 12 -16
*
My being in favor of protecting the baby in the womb and wanting the death row inmate to face the justice the jury of his peers decided on....these are not contradictions and do not make me a hypocrite.
Both align with scripture.


There were times that I HOPED America would reject both Trump and Biden and there were times I HOPED a third party would actually become viable.
Like @TampaJoe Joe (a new to ME poster) I wanted an America where voters did not have to feel obligated to only choose between the D or the R candidates. That was my hope and I was ridiculed for that hope.

You cherrypick from the scripture

From Genesis "

Genesis 2:7: “God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.”"​

This part was why the catholic church for centuries refused to recognize a stillborn child as a "human with a soul" and prohibited a christian burial.

Exodus 21:22-25: “When people […] injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined […]. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life.”​

Notice that is is considered a lesser crime and not a murder because a featus is not considered a human with a soul"

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

1) A baby's life being terminated is NOT a "condition".
2) Most abortions are not performed because otherwise the mother will die.
Get real.

The natural reading of the bible says that life begins with first breath. It's the position of the Jews and until the 1960's the Evangelicals. You literally have thousands of years of tradition that hold this. The early Catholic church had conflicting views of abortion as well, it was until 1869 that they decided that life began at conception. It's not like this is some sort of position that has been immutable.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

This can quickly turn into an abortion thread and bible quote slinging. Not sure that's the direction we want to go...

The idea of voting/not voting basically comes down to a couple of points -- 1, if you believe the likely outcomes from the various administrations will be materially the same. 2, if you believe you won't be affected by one more than the other. 3. By not voting, things will eventually change in the direction I want, or it will never change no matter what I do. A lot of the time it comes down to privilege. "I believe I won't be hurt by any particular administration, and therefore I can deal with it".

I think not voting is always a mistake. I've voted in every election whether I like the candidates or not -- if I really don't like any of the candidates, I'll write someone in. The point is to show that there is an electorate out there that cares about things and is willing to vote. If you don't vote, it's too easy for the politicians to ignore you altogether. Why should they cater to you if you can't be bothered to show up? There absolutely is a large segment of the powerful that is counting on the continued apathy of the American voter.

As pertains to this election - I really don't understand the idea that the two candidates were indistinguishable. I don't understand how someone can watch a former president try to overthrow the government (and promise to pardon those who violently beat police officers in an attempt to overthrow the government), and say -- well, it's basically the same as the president's son getting a position he would not have if he weren't the son of a powerful politician - even if I don't have any evidence of any favors being traded.

It's weird to me... I get not liking the general nepotism and insider access that is prevalent in Washington, and would 100% support policies and laws to prevent that. But to say that it's remotely similar is insane to me.

 

[superchuck500]

So Trump goes into her church - where she is the bishop. And listens to her sermon which was in-line with modern Episcopalian doctrine. And then he shirts all over her because Trump will always be more important than anything.

How the supposed Christian America supports this disgusting human being I will never understand.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

So Trump goes into her church - where she is the bishop. And listens to her sermon which was in-line with modern Episcopalian doctrine. And then he shirts all over her because Trump will always be more important than anything.

How the supposed Christian America supports this disgusting human being I will never understand.

I know Bishop Budde (she's the bishop in my diocese and comes to my church periodically). I'm very proud of her for actually preaching to the president the message of Christ as she understands it.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

FYI - here is the transcript of her direct plea to Trump:
"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you and, as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings; who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants; who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They…may not be citizens or have the proper documentation. But the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, gurudwaras and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. And that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land. May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love and walk humbly with each other and our God for the good of all people. Good of all people in this nation and the world. Amen”

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

1) A baby's life being terminated is NOT a "condition".
2) Most abortions are not performed because otherwise the mother will die.
Get real.

The only person I want to quote me is @TampaJoe
I already know what the rest of you feel.
Not interested.

 

[RobF]

The only person I want to quote me is @TampaJoe
I already know what the rest of you feel.
Not interested.

You should probably just message him directly then, because that's not how posting in a public discussion forum works.

You should also reflect on why you're so uncomfortable with people challenging your views. Often that's the case when someone knows there's a problem with their position and is unwilling to work through it.

 

[TampaJoe]

See, in the context we're talking about, in the restaurant analogy you don't get to have nothing. Everyone gets the same one item from the menu. Whether you wanted it or not. Abstaining from having a say doesn't change that; it doesn't put better items on the menu, it doesn't let you opt out from eating what ends up being served, it just means you didn't have a say.

And your argument is, essentially, that if the two items on the menu are, let's be polite, a probably poisonous rotten meat sandwich and a stale piece of bread, the best option is not to vote for the stale piece of bread, but to opt out, because... something will magically happen to provide a better option? You won't have to eat it?

Doesn't work like that. Which is why you're now enjoying a sickening sandwich along with everyone else over there.

Again, you don’t get to make the rules. People will do as they wish whether you like it or not; whether you think it’s logical or not. Voters have more than two choices. How many elections do you need to see to figure that out? It’s HAS worked like that in every election since I began voting.

If you don’t like the choices people make, perhaps you should determine what THEY want; what is important to THEM, and give them better alternatives. Offering them your version of stale bread and telling them it isn’t bad or it’s better than a sickening sandwich just guarantees more bad food in the future. That’s why we are enjoying the sickening sandwich. The voters didn’t see much difference between the two or they decided not to order at all.

 

[Optimus Prime]

FYI - here is the transcript of her direct plea to Trump:
"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you and, as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings; who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants; who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They…may not be citizens or have the proper documentation. But the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, gurudwaras and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. And that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land. May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love and walk humbly with each other and our God for the good of all people. Good of all people in this nation and the world. Amen”

sounds like Trump hating woke whining to me

 

[superchuck500]

FYI - here is the transcript of her direct plea to Trump:
"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you and, as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings; who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants; who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They…may not be citizens or have the proper documentation. But the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, gurudwaras and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. And that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land. May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love and walk humbly with each other and our God for the good of all people. Good of all people in this nation and the world. Amen”

And for that he shirts all over her and demands an apology. From the National Cathedral!

Repugnant

 

[coldseat]

sounds like Trump hating woke whining to me

Everything that is compassionate or inclusive of people sounds like woke whining these days. That's how much Trump and the MAGA movement have turned the people in this country into a cesspool of hate and bitterness. The next four years will be a constant dragging down of America's soul, I don't have hope that anything a value will be left after Trump is done.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

And for that he shirts all over her and demands an apology. From the National Cathedral!

Repugnant

That's what I don't get -- you'd think she'd gotten up there and told him he was terrible and his policies were horrible. She just asked him to have mercy - which is very consistent with pretty much all Christian theology. A leader would have said something like this if he thought she was being unfair about her understanding of her policies: "I appreciate the bishop's call for mercy. I have always intended to treat everyone with respect according to the rule of law, and will continue to do so. My first obligation is to the citizens of this country, and that is what I will work towards. While I want to enforce a secure border and an orderly immigration policy, all people will be treated with respect, and all deportation orders will be consistent with that respect and the rule of law." Or something like that.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

You should probably just message him directly then, because that's not how posting in a public discussion forum works.

You should also reflect on why you're so uncomfortable with people challenging your views. Often that's the case when someone knows there's a problem with their position and is unwilling to work through it.

Good point.
Done here.

 

[RobF]

Again, you don’t get to make the rules. People will do as they wish whether you like it or not; whether you think it’s logical or not. Voters have more than two choices. How many elections do you need to see to figure that out? It’s HAS worked like that in every election since I began voting.

Again, you haven't understood the post you're replying to, or, apparently, the entire premise of the discussion. There's nothing there about 'making the rules', just a recognition that while voters have multiple options in what they do with their vote, in practice there are two outcomes, whether they like it or not. And to quote you, "It’s HAS worked like that in every election".

If you don’t like the choices people make, perhaps you should determine what THEY want; what is important to THEM, and give them better alternatives. Offering them your version of stale bread and telling them it isn’t bad or it’s better than a sickening sandwich just guarantees more bad food in the future. That’s why we are enjoying the sickening sandwich. The voters didn’t see much difference between the two or they decided not to order at all.

I was broadly using your characterisations; personally, I think it's pretty clear that Harris was substantially better than stale bread, and it's an understatement to describe Trump as a rotten sandwich.

But to bring us way back to @MT15 's original point, even if we continue with 'stale bread', if the "voters didn't see much difference" between stale bread and a poisonous sandwich and a bunch of them actually voted for the poisonous sandwich, it's a very reasonable question to ask what the heck they were thinking.

And your argument, to sum up your many repetitive posts, seems to be that they were all indulging in a mass fantasy where they could vote for poison or not vote at all and magically get something better. That the voters have no individual responsibility for the outcome whatsoever; that it's not even on the provider of the poisonous sandwich and whatever tactics they took to get elected, no matter how dubious or immoral; that it's actually entirely the responsibility of the provider of the alternative.

It's not a great argument.

 

[Dragon]

Everything that is compassionate or inclusive of people sounds like woke whining these days. That's how much Trump and the MAGA movement have turned the people in this country into a cesspool of hate and bitterness. The next four years will be a constant dragging down of America's soul, I don't have hope that anything a value will be left after Trump is done.

I fondly remember attending church in Tennessee, where the pastors always emphasized compassion and understanding in their sermons. None of them were firebrand preachers filled with hate. I visited multiple churches and congregations, often joining friends and their families since there wasn’t a Lutheran congregation nearby.

After services, we would bring food to the sick and elderly, lending a helping hand wherever it was needed. What stood out to me was that politics were never mentioned in any of the churches I attended—it was all about community, kindness, and support.