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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[TampaJoe]

Again, you haven't understood the post you're replying to, or, apparently, the entire premise of the discussion. There's nothing there about 'making the rules', just a recognition that while voters have multiple options in what they do with their vote, in practice there are two outcomes, whether they like it or not. And to quote you, "It’s HAS worked like that in every election".


I was broadly using your characterisations; personally, I think it's pretty clear that Harris was substantially better than stale bread, and it's an understatement to describe Trump as a rotten sandwich.

But to bring us way back to @MT15 's original point, even if we continue with 'stale bread', if the "voters didn't see much difference" between stale bread and a poisonous sandwich and a bunch of them actually voted for the poisonous sandwich, it's a very reasonable question to ask what the heck they were thinking.

And your argument, to sum up your many repetitive posts, seems to be that they were all indulging in a mass fantasy where they could vote for poison or not vote at all and magically get something better. That the voters have no individual responsibility for the outcome whatsoever; that it's not even on the provider of the poisonous sandwich and whatever tactics they took to get elected, no matter how dubious or immoral; that it's actually entirely the responsibility of the provider of the alternative.

It's not a great argument.

I dunno that I mentioned a mass fantasy. Those are your words. Not mine. They certainly have a difference calculus than you. Insulting them as delusional or irresponsible isn’t really a winning argument. You don’t sound as if you are really interested in their point of view. My guess is that you won’t know anymore about what motivates folks want in the future than you have today.

 

[Optimus Prime]

...............Musk, X, and the Trump administration did not immediately respond to requests for comment, but after this article was published Musk responded to the backlash in a post on X, writing: “Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired.”

The response from the neo-Nazi community across the globe was instant and unanimous.

“Incredible things are happening already,” Andrew Torba, the founder of Gab, a social media platform popular with antisemites and white supremacists, wrote over a picture of Musk giving the salute.

“The entire neo-Nazi movement seems to be eating it up,” says Nick Martin, an investigative journalist who closely tracks extremist groups and runs the online publication The Informant. “He gave two unmistakable Nazi salutes, and they got the message loud and clear.”

“WE ARE FORKING BACK,” the administrator of a Nazi meme channel on Telegram wrote under a clip of Musk giving the salute. Members of the group responded with the lightning bolt emoji, a well-known neo-Nazi reference to the SS.

“I don’t care if this was a mistake, I’m going to enjoy the tears over it,” Christopher Pohlhaus, the leader of the American neo-Nazi group Blood Tribe, wrote on his Telegram channel under a gif of the Musk salute.

Keith Woods, a prominent far-right influencer from Ireland who has repeatedly praised Musk, responded to the actions by writing on X: “OK maybe woke really is dead.”

Evan Kilgore, a right-wing political commentator, wrote on X: “Holy crap … did Elon Musk just Heil Hitler at the Trump Inauguration Rally in Washington DC … This is incredible.” Kilgore later wrote: “We are so back.”

Kilgore, who is a Holocaust denier, has worked as an ambassador for Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA. The conservative activist group hosted a pre-inauguration ball on Sunday evening that featured JD Vance, who was inaugurated as vice president today, and the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr.............

Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump’s Inauguration

The far right is celebrating what it views as a clear signal from the X owner and Donald Trump associate, who made the gestures onstage Monday.

www.wired.com

 

[TampaJoe]

I fondly remember attending church in Tennessee, where the pastors always emphasized compassion and understanding in their sermons. None of them were firebrand preachers filled with hate. I visited multiple churches and congregations, often joining friends and their families since there wasn’t a Lutheran congregation nearby.

After services, we would bring food to the sick and elderly, lending a helping hand wherever it was needed. What stood out to me was that politics were never mentioned in any of the churches I attended—it was all about community, kindness, and support.

Southern Hospitality.

 

[Optimus Prime]

..............One group, though, was unbothered: The Anti-Defamation League, which has as its mission fighting antisemitism and bigotry more broadly.

“It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge,” the ADL posted on the Musk-owned X.

“In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath. This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead.”

Musk responded “Thanks guys” with a laugh-crying emoji.

Ha ha. The joke is on us.

The entire ethos of the men and women (but mostly men) who make up the white-supremacist-adjacent fascist-friendly too-online right is one of saying what they really think with enough plausible deniability to claim it’s all just a big joke, and if you take offense, it’s because you’re a triggered woke scold. There’s always a veneer of irony, a little smirk. If the story gets too big, then it’s yet another example of a biased media engaged in, as Musk called the latest headlines, dirty tricks..............

It’s Clear Enough What Elon Musk Did. The ADL’s Response Is Pathetic.

The “hand gesture” didn’t happen in a vacuum.

slate.com

 

[Dragon]

Southern Hospitality.

No - it was another time - a time of hope. Yes, there was plenty of racism during that time (1979–1983), and people didn’t often mingle socially across racial or cultural lines. However, Knoxville, being a university town, had a more "liberal" atmosphere compared to the rural areas of middle Tennessee where I visited family.

Even in those rural areas, I experienced a sense of compassion. People genuinely helped each other, and despite the societal issues, I never encountered a single hateful sermon in any of the churches I attended.

 

[Dragon]

..............One group, though, was unbothered: The Anti-Defamation League, which has as its mission fighting antisemitism and bigotry more broadly.

“It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge,” the ADL posted on the Musk-owned X.

“In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath. This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead.”

Musk responded “Thanks guys” with a laugh-crying emoji.

Ha ha. The joke is on us.

The entire ethos of the men and women (but mostly men) who make up the white-supremacist-adjacent fascist-friendly too-online right is one of saying what they really think with enough plausible deniability to claim it’s all just a big joke, and if you take offense, it’s because you’re a triggered woke scold. There’s always a veneer of irony, a little smirk. If the story gets too big, then it’s yet another example of a biased media engaged in, as Musk called the latest headlines, dirty tricks..............

It’s Clear Enough What Elon Musk Did. The ADL’s Response Is Pathetic.

The “hand gesture” didn’t happen in a vacuum.

slate.com

Nazism and fascism should always be taken very, very serious. Europe and even my own family has learned that the very hard way...

 

[coldseat]

..............One group, though, was unbothered: The Anti-Defamation League, which has as its mission fighting antisemitism and bigotry more broadly.

“It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge,” the ADL posted on the Musk-owned X.

“In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath. This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead.”

Musk responded “Thanks guys” with a laugh-crying emoji.

Ha ha. The joke is on us.

The entire ethos of the men and women (but mostly men) who make up the white-supremacist-adjacent fascist-friendly too-online right is one of saying what they really think with enough plausible deniability to claim it’s all just a big joke, and if you take offense, it’s because you’re a triggered woke scold. There’s always a veneer of irony, a little smirk. If the story gets too big, then it’s yet another example of a biased media engaged in, as Musk called the latest headlines, dirty tricks..............

It’s Clear Enough What Elon Musk Did. The ADL’s Response Is Pathetic.

The “hand gesture” didn’t happen in a vacuum.

slate.com

Playing right into his hands, .

Why put out a post excusing it when you don't know what his intention was? Just don't comment. Now he has cover to do even more questionable/borderline crap that continues to excite the neo-nazi's while using the ADL as cover.

 

[TampaJoe]

No - it was another time - a time of hope. Yes, there was plenty of racism during that time (1979–1983), and people didn’t often mingle socially across racial or cultural lines. However, Knoxville, being a university town, had a more "liberal" atmosphere compared to the rural areas of middle Tennessee where I visited family.

Even in those rural areas, I experienced a sense of compassion. People genuinely helped each other, and despite the societal issues, I never encountered a single hateful sermon in any of the churches I attended.

I attended UTK in that time frame.

I grew up in TN and have lived all over the state. Good people. Still are good people.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Again, you don’t get to make the rules. People will do as they wish whether you like it or not; whether you think it’s logical or not. Voters have more than two choices. How many elections do you need to see to figure that out? It’s HAS worked like that in every election since I began voting.

If you don’t like the choices people make, perhaps you should determine what THEY want; what is important to THEM, and give them better alternatives. Offering them your version of stale bread and telling them it isn’t bad or it’s better than a sickening sandwich just guarantees more bad food in the future. That’s why we are enjoying the sickening sandwich. The voters didn’t see much difference between the two or they decided not to order at all.

Yes technically you're right. There are more than 2 choices. Nobody is doubting or questioning that

I've told before about my first presidential election I voted in, it was 1996, Clinton vs Dole

I go in the booth, look at the ballot and to my great surprise there were like 8 people running for President, people and parties I have never heard of before that moment

Yes, there were options. Not voting is also an option

But you seem to think that the election is like a horse race.

Even though you have 2 prohibitive favorites both with the same high odds of winning any of the other horses can also win

The presidential election is not a horse race. Nobody but one of the two favorites is winning the race no matter how many horses are in the race

How many elections do you need to see to figure that out?

 

[SFIDC3]

The only person I want to quote me is @TampaJoe
I already know what the rest of you feel.
Not interested.

Above is hilarious.....

 

[Dragon]

I attended UTK in that time frame.

I grew up in TN and have lived all over the state. Good people. Still are good people.

I agree—there are still many good people. But even in those circles, the rot is spreading. One of my friends left her church just two months ago because the minister declared to the congregation that Trump was a messenger from God—a statement she saw as pure blasphemy.

 

[Optimus Prime]

FYI - here is the transcript of her direct plea to Trump:
"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you and, as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings; who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants; who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They…may not be citizens or have the proper documentation. But the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, gurudwaras and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. And that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land. May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love and walk humbly with each other and our God for the good of all people. Good of all people in this nation and the world. Amen”

 

[Dragon]

"Freedom of speech - except when you say something I don't want to hear..." - and I guess Mike Collins think he is a good Christian..

 

[TampaJoe]

I agree—there are still many good people. But even in those circles, the rot is spreading. One of my friends left her church just two months ago because the minister declared to the congregation that Trump was a messenger from God—a statement she saw as pure blasphemy.

Ministers are like everyone else I guess. Some are better than others. Growing up about the only time I heard about politics from the pulpit was when the minister would say something about praying for the country and the leadership. Occasionally you might hear something about local issues like blue laws and liquor sales and abortion.

Politics is always divisive. Touchy subject to address from the pulpit. Bound to turn some folks off.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes technically you're right. There are more than 2 choices. Nobody is doubting or questioning that

I've told before about my first presidential election I voted in, it was 1996, Clinton vs Dole

I go in the booth, look at the ballot and to my great surprise there were like 8 people running for President, people and parties I have never heard of before that moment

Yes, there were options. Not voting is also an option

But you seem to think that the election is like a horse race.

Even though you have 2 prohibitive favorites both with the same high odds of winning any of the other horses can also win

The presidential election is not a horse race. Nobody but one of the two favorites is winning the race no matter how many horses are in the race

How many elections do you need to see to figure that out?

I never questioned that there can be only one winner. Nor did I imply that everyone has an equal chance. That is not the point. Never has been the point. The point is that it is not a binary choice. It appears that’s something we agree upon based on this post.

 

[MT15]

1) A baby's life being terminated is NOT a "condition".
2) Most abortions are not performed because otherwise the mother will die.
Get real.

Neither of these statements have a damn thing to do with what I said you do.

How many women dying needlessly is acceptable to you Steve? What’s your number?

 

[MT15]

The only person I want to quote me is @TampaJoe
I already know what the rest of you feel.
Not interested.

How old are you? This would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I never questioned that there can be only one winner. Nor did I imply that everyone has an equal chance. That is not the point. Never has been the point. The point is that it is not a binary choice. It appears that’s something we agree upon based on this post.

There are two different points being made

Your point: Many people are on the ballot - not a binary choice - you are correct on this point

Our point: Only one of two will win - it's a binary outcome - everyone making this point is correct