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[Farb]

In another thread, it was brought to my attention that we am not allowed to use certain centuries old definitions because they have been 'updated'. That discussion was about the definition of 'racism'. I asked who controls the 'words' and who exactly gets to update the meaning of those commonly used words.

I saw this yesterday and thought this would be a discussion to attempt to have.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-terms-like-birthing-parents-human-milk.html

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-replace-women-birthing-people-033500864.html

IMO this is a move to be 'inclusive' to trans people at the sake of women (we are discussing birthing humans after all).

The recent call to change the word for a person who comes into a country illegally from Alien to undocumented. Why? What possible purpose does it serve?

Even 'white supremacy' doesn't mean 'white supremacy'.

I am sure we are all somewhat familiar with Orwell and 1984. So i thought this would be a good place to post and discuss the language that we are seeing right in front of us. If we can't even share a language with common definitions, how do we expect to share a government?

 

[RobF]

What about the facism that democrats currently support with the merging of the Democratic party, national security state and big tech like Facebook and Twitter? You guys love censorship.

What about the merging of the Democratic party with the Squirrel Overlords who plan to enslave us all to work in their underground nut mines?

Whataboutery doesn't work generally, it certainly doesn't work when the thing isn't even a thing.

If Russia was such a big threat during the Trump administration, why did the constant talk about Russia by the Democrats and the media disappear? Is Russia not a threat anymore or did the Russia hysteria serve it's purpose and now its not necessary with Trump out of office?

What? Russia is still being talked about, which, again, completely undermines what you're saying.

E.g. https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...eading-misinformation-ahead-of-2022-elections

 

[samiam5211]

If Russia was such a big threat during the Trump administration, why did the constant talk about Russia by the Democrats and the media disappear? Is Russia not a threat anymore or did the Russia hysteria serve it's purpose and now its not necessary with Trump out of office?

There isn't any reason to be hysterical anymore because Putin's useful idiot is out of office.

That doesn't not mean that we won't be hearing about investigations into Trump and Russia. When we do hear about it again, you will be saying the left is hysterical over Russia.

 

[Paul]

Guys: fascism and socialism are both very evil in that they are authoritarian and intolerant of other views. The both operate under the "the end justifies the means" principle. In this regards socialists can be as vicious as the fascists.

 

[Saintamaniac]

If Russia was such a big threat during the Trump administration, why did the constant talk about Russia by the Democrats and the media disappear?

Because the Russian threat has been removed from office.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Guys: fascism and socialism are both very evil in that they are authoritarian and intolerant of other views. They both operate under the "the end justifies the means" principle. In this regards socialists can be as vicious as the fascists.

This is precisely how the Republican party is functioning. McConnell led the way with denying Obama a supreme court seat and then turning around and confirming a replacement for RBG ignoring his own precedent. So-called Christians support Trump because he put in conservative, and in at least one case, unqualified judges to the supreme court. Republicans are a living breathing example of the ends justify the means.

 

[SaintForLife]

Because the Russian threat has been removed from office.

Apparently Putin has Biden under his control. Y'all would have become apoplectic if this happened under Trump.

 

[Paul]

This is precisely how the Republican party is functioning. McConnell led the way with denying Obama a supreme court seat and then turning around and confirming a replacement for RBG ignoring his own precedent. So-called Christians support Trump because he put in conservative, and in at least one case, unqualified judges to the supreme court. Republicans are a living breathing example of the ends justify the means.

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Saintamaniac]

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry. Forgot to add that both sides do it.

 

[coldseat]

If Russia was such a big threat during the Trump administration, why did the constant talk about Russia by the Democrats and the media disappear? Is Russia not a threat anymore or did the Russia hysteria serve it's purpose and now its not necessary with Trump out of office?

Talk of the constant threat from Russia has not disappeared. You may have been oblivious to it because of the news sources you choose to consume, but Russia and their treat from hacking and ransomware attacks and what we're (the Biden administration) have been doing to combat it has been all over the news.

You're just to myopic to notice it, I guess.

 

[samiam5211]

Apparently Putin has Biden under his control. Y'all would have become apoplectic if this happened under Trump.

Maybe it's Merkel that has Biden under her control.

 

[JRad]

If Russia was such a big threat during the Trump administration, why did the constant talk about Russia by the Democrats and the media disappear? Is Russia not a threat anymore or did the Russia hysteria serve it's purpose and now its not necessary with Trump out of office?

It didn’t, you are just too busy with your hysteria of choice:

What about the facism that democrats currently support with the merging of the Democratic party, national security state and big tech like Facebook and Twitter? You guys love censorship.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Guys: fascism and socialism are both very evil in that they are authoritarian and intolerant of other views. The both operate under the "the end justifies the means" principle. In this regards socialists can be as vicious as the fascists.

But you can have one without the other. Republican could strive for Fascism and still not be Socialists.

 

[Paul]

But you can have one without the other. Republican could strive for Fascism and still not be Socialists.

Paranoia noted

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Paranoia noted

But you are not paranoid that Democrats want to become socialists or Marxists?

I was simply making a comparison that if Democrats want to become socialists that Repubs want to be fascists. I don't believe either party want to become that, its just a fear tactic both sides use to rail in their followers. It would be darn near impossible to count how many time you compared the Democrats to socialists in this and the other threads. But I'm the one who is paranoid. Prove me wrong.

 

[samiam5211]

But you are not paranoid that Democrats want to become socialists or Marxists?

I was simply making a comparison that if Democrats want to become socialists that Repubs want to be fascists. I don't believe either party want to become that, its just a fear tactic both sides use to rail in their followers. It would be darn near impossible to count how many time you compared the Democrats to socialists in this and the other threads. But I'm the one who is paranoid. Prove me wrong.

Are you saying that two wrongs don't make right?

 

[Paul]

But you are not paranoid that Democrats want to become socialists or Marxists?

I was simply making a comparison that if Democrats want to become socialists that Repubs want to be fascists. I don't believe either party want to become that, its just a fear tactic both sides use to rail in their followers. It would be darn near impossible to count how many time you compared the Democrats to socialists in this and the other threads. But I'm the one who is paranoid.

You have me confused. I don't even think AOC is a socialist

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Depends on if you are referring to a true socialist or a democratic socialist.
Is she a Fidel Castrol/Cuba socialist, absolutely not. Is she more like Canada/france/Norway, etc socialist, i think that is what she wants to be.
Do you acknowledge there is a difference in Socialism and a Social Democracy?

 

[coldseat]

Depends on if you are referring to a true socialist or a democratic socialist.
Is she a Fidel Castrol/Cuba socialist, absolutely not. Is she more like Canada/france/Norway, etc socialist, i think that is what she wants to be.
Do you acknowledge there is a difference in Socialism and a Social Democracy?

Fidel Castro isn't even a Cuba socialist, he's a Cuba communist.