Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[SaintForLife]

If Putin, who is actually badly losing a war that he started, would be rewarded by the US forcing Ukraine to concede territory that would set a hugely horrible precedent. Then any head of state who fancies himself a “strong man” would think it is fine to invade a smaller country in order to seize their land and assets. It would lead to more wars all over.

Anyone who suggests that Putin should be rewarded for his invasion is simply pro-Putin. No other way to think about this situation. They are pro-Russia, and anti-American.

Not to mention the insane angle of this POV - Russia starts a war by invading another country, commits heinous war crimes and targets civilians purposefully. The US decides to send aid to the attacked country and now these people blame the US? That’s just crazy talk.

It has nothing to do with rewarding Putin. It has everything to do with not trying to provoke or get involved in a nuclear war or World War 3. Is it really worth it in Uraine to risk nuclear war? I mean seriously. This is crazy.

 

[SaintForLife]

Could you try to make a point without spamming half a dozen fringe Twitter feeds? Putin is the aggressor, to concede anything to him is laughable. Appeasement didn't work on Hitler. You're going to cave every time this guy says 'I have nukes?' Reality is, nothing can stop him from using nukes unless a few key Russian officials decide they have had enough of his insanity and off him.

Considering you haven't complained about anyone else posting Twitter posts, multiple Twitter posts, or Twitter posts with no comment I'll continue to ignore your partisan complaints.

 

[SaintForLife]

This is so mind numbingly blind that it boggles my mind how someone can see what is happening and take the side of the aggressor who is losing. I'll just say that I feel sorry for you.

It's a sad state of affairs when someone who was(or currently) in the military seems to not care that we are the closest to nuclear war since the Cuban missle crisis.

 

[SaintForLife]

We all know Tucker was on Fox News openly blaming America and rooting for Russia to take Ukraine right up until the bombs started flying and that position became politically untenable.

People like him only really respect power and the ability to wield it, and so a strongman like Putin was right up his alley.

I'm sure the way this has all played out has been very shocking and disappointing to him and other like-minded individuals.

Do you believe everything the government says especially dealing with foreign policy and the long list of lies that we were told so we would support all the wars that we have been involved with?

 

[bdb13]

Do you believe everything the government says especially dealing with foreign policy and the long list of lies that we were told so we would support all the wars that we have been involved with?

No.

How is that relevant to Tucker's support for Russia?

 

[SaintForLife]

Here's a broken clock:

I would hold off on giving him credit though, he'll change his tune any second now.

Good Ole Lindsey Graham who never met a war he didn't like.

 

[SaintForLife]

No.

How is that relevant to Tucker's support for Russia?

Oh so questioning the US narrative automatically means someone supports Russia? New age McArthysm.

Have you heard anyone give any rational reasons why Russia would destroy their only leverage play against Europe in regards to the pipeline?

 

[bdb13]

Oh so questioning the US narrative automatically means someone supports Russia? New age McArthysm.

Have you heard anyone give any rational reasons why Russia would destroy their only leverage play against Europe in regards to the pipeline?

Tucker isn't simply questioning of the US/western narrative he is outright supportive of Russia doing what it wants with Ukraine. There is a difference there but for some reason you will not acknowledge it.

 

[SaintForLife]

suggesting a country give up part of itself to an invading force is not a peace deal.
in your opinion, should Ukraine just give Russia what they want because it's just territory? and you really think Russia would just be happy with that?
I don't think Musk is pro Russia, he's just gotten to the point where he likes to be inserted into major current events, put in his 2 cents.
he's a business man, he didn't help Ukraine because it was the right thing to do, he did it because it's showing the world his technology and capability.
I wouldn't be surprised that if the Twitter sale goes through, he would make it accessible to Russia leaders accounts again.

Do you think anything you listed is worth risking nuclear war or World War 3?

I don't think Ukraine should have to give their land to Russia, but whatever can be done to avert a possible nuclear war should be on the table. Unfortunately you have to deal with nuclear armed countries differently.

 

[samiam5211]

Regime change is not the only acceptable outcome. Russia leaving Ukraine is the only acceptable outcome. Regime change in Russia is a wildcard. The instability of a regime change in and of itself is dangerous. Also, we never know if the new regime could be worse. I don’t think Putin is crazy, but a successor could be.

The negotiations should center around lifting sanctions once Russia leaves, not giving them any land. If some regions no longer want to be part of Ukraine, then autonomy for those regions can be added, but they shouldn’t become Russian, because that rewards Russia for their actions.

I don't think Putin survives a situation where Russia doesn't end up with owning the eastern part of Ukraine.

 

[SaintForLife]

Tucker isn't simply questioning of the US/western narrative he is outright supportive of Russia doing what it wants with Ukraine. There is a difference there but for some reason you will not acknowledge it.

We are taking about Tucker speculating that the US blew up the pipeline right? Or are you talking about other things?

Can you list any rational reasons why Russia would blow up their only leverage play against Europe? I haven't heard anyone put for any. It makes zero sense that Russia would do that. If anything Russia would have blown up the new Greece-Bulgaria pipeline if they were looking to do something like that.

 

[Lapaz]

Do you think anything you listed is worth riskimg nuclear war or World War 3?

I don't think Ukraine should have to give their land to Russia, but whatever can be done to avert a possible nuclear war should be on the table. Unfortunately you have to deal with nuclear armed countries differently.

Unfortunately, allowing Putin to annex part of Ukraine is fool's gold. If we allow Russia to keep the land they invaded, we're encouraging not only Russia, but other would-be invading nations. It will get us closer to Armageddon than holding the line that he must get out.

 

[SaintForLife]

Unfortunately, allowing Putin to annex part of Ukraine is fool's gold. If we allow Russia to keep the land they invaded, we're encouraging not only Russia, but other would-be invading nations. It will get us closer to Armageddon than holding the line that he must get out.

So it's worth it to risk Nuclear War?

 

[bdb13]

We are taking about Tucker speculating that the US blew up the pipeline right? Or are you talking about other things?

Can you list any rational reasons why Russia would blow up their only leverage play against Europe? I haven't heard anyone put for any. It makes zero sense that Russia would do that. If anything Russia would have blown up the new Greece-Bulgaria pipeline if they were looking to do something like that.

I don't know what he's said about the pipeline and I wasn't talking about that in the post you first replied to.

I was talking about the general opinions Tucker has expressed over the years regarding Russia and Ukraine.

 

[Lapaz]

I don't think Putin survives a situation where Russia doesn't end up with owning the eastern part of Ukraine.

It may be true that Putin doesn't survive, but that isn't a foregone conclusion, and it shouldn't be our priority. We may hate Putin, as we hated Saddam Hussein, but while the instability that toppling Hussein caused was a problem, toppling Putin would be far more dangerous.

 

[Lapaz]

So it's worth it to risk Nuclear War?

My opinion is that we get closer to nuclear war if we don't stand up to Putin. Imagine 1920s Germany with nukes! He would be emboldened. There isn't a move here that isn't risky, but I think letting Putin have his way is riskier.

 

[Taurus]

So it's worth it to risk Nuclear War?

Are we really going to fall for this?

 

[SaintForLife]

Are we really going to fall for this?

It's a simple question.