Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[DJ1BigTymer]

It's crazy that there are so many people, that claim to love democracy or live free under its umbrella, favor that another democratic nation should surrender to an invading force rather than for them to fight for DEMOCRACY! I know that Putin is a hero for some in this country but, for the rest of the civilized world, he's a menace. I had hoped the we, as a species, had grown past the need to invade other nations for the sole purpose of land grabbing but Russia and China have put those hopes to rest. I'm sure there are some smaller nations that still engage in land grab operations but I classify them as third world.

 

[MT15]

If Putin, who is actually badly losing a war that he started, would be rewarded by the US forcing Ukraine to concede territory that would set a hugely horrible precedent. Then any head of state who fancies himself a “strong man” would think it is fine to invade a smaller country in order to seize their land and assets. It would lead to more wars all over.

Anyone who suggests that Putin should be rewarded for his invasion is simply pro-Putin. No other way to think about this situation. They are pro-Russia, and anti-American.

Not to mention the insane angle of this POV - Russia starts a war by invading another country, commits heinous war crimes and targets civilians purposefully. The US decides to send aid to the attacked country and now these people blame the US? That’s just crazy talk.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Heaven forbid that anyone suggest any kind of peace deal. I know the Democrats and the Biden Administration don't want to hear anything that could mean an end to the fighting. Their plan is regime change with the nuclear armed Putin.




It's crazy how dangerous of a situation we are in with another nuclear armed country in Russia and the left doesn't want to heat anything about deescalating the situation.

Could you try to make a point without spamming half a dozen fringe Twitter feeds? Putin is the aggressor, to concede anything to him is laughable. Appeasement didn't work on Hitler. You're going to cave every time this guy says 'I have nukes?' Reality is, nothing can stop him from using nukes unless a few key Russian officials decide they have had enough of his insanity and off him.

 

[Devildog]

Heaven forbid that anyone suggest any kind of peace deal. I know the Democrats and the Biden Administration don't want to hear anything that could mean an end to the fighting. Their plan is regime change with the nuclear armed Putin.




It's crazy how dangerous of a situation we are in with another nuclear armed country in Russia and the left doesn't want to heat anything about deescalating the situation.

This is so mind numbingly blind that it boggles my mind how someone can see what is happening and take the side of the aggressor who is losing. I'll just say that I feel sorry for you.

 

[bdb13]

It's crazy that there are so many people, that claim to love democracy or live free under its umbrella, favor that another democratic nation should surrender to an invading force rather than for them to fight for DEMOCRACY! I know that Putin is a hero for some in this country but, for the rest of the civilized world, he's a menace. I had hoped the we, as a species, had grown past the need to invade other nations for the sole purpose of land grabbing but Russia and China have put those hopes to rest. I'm sure there are some smaller nations that still engage in land grab operations but I classify them as third world.

This is so mind numbingly blind that it boggles my mind how someone can see what is happening and take the side of the aggressor who is losing. I'll just say that I feel sorry for you.

We all know Tucker was on Fox News openly blaming America and rooting for Russia to take Ukraine right up until the bombs started flying and that position became politically untenable.

People like him only really respect power and the ability to wield it, and so a strongman like Putin was right up his alley.

I'm sure the way this has all played out has been very shocking and disappointing to him and other like-minded individuals.

 

[CoolBrees]

You see, it is the Sweater Thread Corollary.

If one of Tucker’s main talking points- “Putin is a genius, Authoritarianism good the west is evil and Liberals don’t care about people” - proves wrong (and oh man was he wrong here) thread is pulled, whole sweater of bullshirt comes unraveled.

Therefore, he must continue to walk back and hand wave away all of the glowing things he has said about Putin and Russia’s invasion, and try to find a way for low intellect folks to still remain in their cognitive dissonance.

 

[bdb13]

You see, it is the Sweater Thread Corollary.

If one of Tucker’s main talking points- “Putin is a genius, Authoritarianism good the west is evil and Liberals don’t care about people” - proves wrong (and oh man was he wrong here) thread is pulled, whole sweater of bullshirt comes unraveled.

Therefore, he must continue to walk back and hand wave away all of the glowing things he has said about Putin and Russia’s invasion, and try to find a way for low intellect folks to still remain in their cognitive dissonance.

 

[efil4]

Heaven forbid that anyone suggest any kind of peace deal. I know the Democrats and the Biden Administration don't want to hear anything that could mean an end to the fighting. Their plan is regime change with the nuclear armed Putin.




It's crazy how dangerous of a situation we are in with another nuclear armed country in Russia and the left doesn't want to heat anything about deescalating the situation.

so you just look right past the civilian tortures/death and rapes? Because Putin has some nukes?

its THAT EASY for you to do?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Here's a broken clock:

I would hold off on giving him credit though, he'll change his tune any second now.

 

[bdb13]

Here's a broken clock:

I would hold off on giving him credit though, he'll change his tune any second now.

He's some broken clock/weathervane combo.

 

[Taurus]

Here's a broken clock:

I would hold off on giving him credit though, he'll change his tune any second now.

The second Trump tells him otherwise.
Such a sad day for Lindsey when Trump's delicious shoes aren't there to lick.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Heaven forbid that anyone suggest any kind of peace deal. I know the Democrats and the Biden Administration don't want to hear anything that could mean an end to the fighting. Their plan is regime change with the nuclear armed Putin.




It's crazy how dangerous of a situation we are in with another nuclear armed country in Russia and the left doesn't want to heat anything about deescalating the situation.

suggesting a country give up part of itself to an invading force is not a peace deal.
in your opinion, should Ukraine just give Russia what they want because it's just territory? and you really think Russia would just be happy with that?
I don't think Musk is pro Russia, he's just gotten to the point where he likes to be inserted into major current events, put in his 2 cents.
he's a business man, he didn't help Ukraine because it was the right thing to do, he did it because it's showing the world his technology and capability.
I wouldn't be surprised that if the Twitter sale goes through, he would make it accessible to Russia leaders accounts again.

 

[MT15]

Well he will definitely put Trump back on, so that’s nearly the same thing.

 

[samiam5211]

Heaven forbid that anyone suggest any kind of peace deal. I know the Democrats and the Biden Administration don't want to hear anything that could mean an end to the fighting. Their plan is regime change with the nuclear armed Putin.




It's crazy how dangerous of a situation we are in with another nuclear armed country in Russia and the left doesn't want to heat anything about deescalating the situation.

Regime change in Russia has been the only acceptable outcome since the day Putin decided to invade Ukraine.

 

[Lapaz]

Regime change in Russia has been the only acceptable outcome since the day Putin decided to invade Ukraine.

Regime change is not the only acceptable outcome. Russia leaving Ukraine is the only acceptable outcome. Regime change in Russia is a wildcard. The instability of a regime change in and of itself is dangerous. Also, we never know if the new regime could be worse. I don’t think Putin is crazy, but a successor could be.

The negotiations should center around lifting sanctions once Russia leaves, not giving them any land. If some regions no longer want to be part of Ukraine, then autonomy for those regions can be added, but they shouldn’t become Russian, because that rewards Russia for their actions.

 

[coldseat]

Regime change is not the only acceptable outcome. Russia leaving Ukraine is the only acceptable outcome. Regime change in Russia is a wildcard. The instability of a regime change in and of itself is dangerous. Also, we never know if the new regime could be worse. I don’t think Putin is crazy, but a successor could be.

The negotiations should center around lifting sanctions once Russia leaves, not giving them any land. If some regions no longer want to be part of Ukraine, then autonomy for those regions can be added, but they shouldn’t become Russian, because that rewards Russia for their actions.

Russia has to pay a price for the death and destruction they've caused in Ukraine. They need to be prosecuted for war crimes, they need to pay restitution to the families of civilian causalities, they need to pay for the cost of reconstruction and they need to be removed from the UN security council. Then we can talk about removing sanctions. Simply leaving isn't enough but that is a perquisite before anything else can be done.

 

[Lapaz]

Russia has to pay a price for the death and destruction they've caused in Ukraine. They need to be prosecuted for war crimes, they need to pay restitution to the families of civilian causalities, they need to pay for the cost of reconstruction and they need to be removed from the UN security council. Then we can talk about removing sanctions. Simply leaving isn't enough but that is a perquisite before anything else can be done.

I agree that Russia should pay, but getting out of Ukraine is an acceptable outcome. Then, as a part of the negotiation of lifting the sanctions, Russia can be required to pay restitution. Once Russia is out of the country, if nothing else happens beyond maintaining sanctions, that is still acceptable. We can't set the bar at regime change, because that is way too dangerous. We must set the bar at leaving the country, because Russia staying and winning land is unacceptable. If Russia pays more, then great, but regime change can't be the bar.

 

[SaintForLife]

It's crazy that there are so many people, that claim to love democracy or live free under its umbrella, favor that another democratic nation should surrender to an invading force rather than for them to fight for DEMOCRACY! I know that Putin is a hero for some in this country but, for the rest of the civilized world, he's a menace. I had hoped the we, as a species, had grown past the need to invade other nations for the sole purpose of land grabbing but Russia and China have put those hopes to rest. I'm sure there are some smaller nations that still engage in land grab operations but I classify them as third world.

You left out the biggest part of the equation: Russia having nuclear weapons. You have to deal with countries differently that have nuclear weapons unless you are willing to risk nuclear war and/or World War 3.